Transgender bathroom rights

[bonnie1962]

stinsonmarri, would you take the time and answer some questions. 

Would you please show me where there is anything said to indicate transgender and gays being so awful in this topic? Why do you persist in bringing gays in ?  I wonder about your knowledge of  those that do not understand nor try to understand the meaning of love. Love the person, hate the sin.

 How does love enter into this discussion ?  Where is the love in this passive manner of condemnation of those that do not follow your guidence in this?

There are those on both sides of this debate that can exhibit hate, but we are not dealing with that.

There is no hate in the reluctance to have my granddaughters sharing bathroom facilities or gym showering or changing  facilities . I do not want my granddaughters in that position with those that are born with and maintain one X and one Y chomosone

 How you have managed to get to certain  people label all black people to be enslaved   or thinking one person better than another,I have no idea

The problem with people who feel that gay or transgender people are so awful is that they States that have made sound so much like hating black people that different fountains were made. Self-righteousness is a sin, and it has covered lies on Kanaan. Noah was drunk, but certain people felt that was ok, and a young child was accused of touching his grandfather. The Paleo Hebrew word states he was a child. Then here comes the big lie accusing his father, when the Bible said clearly he saw his father's nakedness and turned and called his brothers. Where were they? They were standing outside the tent! So, now certain people can label all blacks should be enslaved. Noah sinned and cursed a young child, and certain people could not see the truth for lack of understanding. That day, Noah lost his grace. And feeling disgusted because of a choice, yes, a choice gay people made gives anyone to act repulsive. We are NOT THE CREATOR; YAHSHUA IS! I have not seen them participate in their act in a gym with other children. None is taking up for their sin; it is thinking that one person is better than the other.

And this  is?.....Sodom and Gomorrah knew YAHWEH, and the Bible proves it. The king of Sodom was standing right next to Melchizedek, the black, Kanaanite King-Priest of Ursalim. Abraham praised along with Melchizedek YAHWEH EL SHADDAI and then returned the tithe that the king of Sodom had stopped giving. It was from the king's loot Abraham gave Melchizedek the tithe. The point is that YAHWEH would have saved all the wicked people if ten were righteous in the city. Then take Lot, his wife was a Sodomite, and YAHWEH spared them. What did his oldest daughter do? She talked her sister into having sex with their father. That is incest! Ruth was a Moabite, and Tamar was the daughter-in-law of Judah. Both of his sons, YAHWEH destroyed. Judah blamed Tamar; traditionally, his third son was supposed to marry her. When he became the right age, Judah went back to what he Tamar. She dressed as a whore in a city where he brought his sheep. This city did not have any whores. Judah gave her his ring, bracelet, and staff. He did not have the funds to pay or know who she was! They had sex, and she became pregnant and had twins. He did send his servant to pay the whore, but they said they had no whore. When Tamar started showing, the first thing Judah wanted to do was to have her stoned! He confronted her, and she gave him his collateral. He admitted that Tamar was more honorable than him. One of this Kanaanite woman's sons, Pharez, is the lineage of YAHSHUA. Tamar and Judah never had another relationship. Pharez's descendant, Salmon, married Rahab, the whore, and they had Boaz, who married Ruth, who is from the incestual Moabite people!

 

None of the above has anything at all to do with the topic. Many like myself simply do not want our young people to be put in this position. That is what you label hate.  Talk about judging. You did exactly the same in the other forum over covid. Because the position you hold is opposed by others does not make you right.

It almost sounds like covid vaccinations and using the same restroom is a salvation issue and neither are no matter how hard someone tries to make it so.

[stinsonmarri]

On 6/2/2024 at 11:40 AM, bonnie1962 said:

That being said I also firmly believe that sin is sin therefore just because I'm not dressing up as a woman and stuffing things up my backside and trying to bugger kids I am in just as much danger of hell fire as is anyone else be they straight or in the LGBTQQAA++ community.

 

On 6/12/2024 at 8:28 PM, Gustave said:

Bonnie said: That isn't what this group is after, they want their lifestyle to be viewed as acceptable and completely normal and those that oppose are bigoted, judgmental "christians". Doesn't take long for the "do not judge crowd" to start admonishing.  Aren't they  by stating their opinion and taking the opposition to task committing the very sin they are attributing to others?

 

On 6/6/2024 at 7:54 AM, bonnie1962 said:

I would not allow my granddaughters to follow my grandsons into the bathroom here in my home or elsewhere. Or my husband to follow a granddaughter. Why would I be comfortable and support that behavior with strangers? If that is judging then so be it. A unisex bathroom takes care of the problem. No one is forced into a situation that would make them uncomfortable. So as not to risk appearing judgmental and unchristian one can choose the facility that will expose them to both sexes.  Leaving the traditional restrooms to the bigots. 

 

On 6/3/2024 at 1:34 PM, bonnie1962 said:

Regardless of my sins I can almost guarantee you that if I were aware someone had just molested my granddaughter, remembering "all have sinned" isnt what would be first to come to mind.

These are the things you quoted. If you had read what I first wrote about how unisex single bathrooms are becoming popular today. This is to respect everyone. However, you stated: "Personally I believe God will deal harsher with a active pedophile than those committing other sins." The other quotes you made are exactly what I am stating. You feel like you have a right to put them down just like the Pharisees did Mary, the Kanaanites, and black people. It is all the same. My concern is to be kind and, with the help of THE HOLY SPIRIT, to change their lives. You keep bringing up your daughter, as I said, and something happening in a bathroom out in public, as I said. You do not see your hatred and judgemental attitude, so I pray you will know you are wrong. Bonnie, the discussion was on the bathroom, but you took it to another level, and that's the problem. I was trying to show how it relates to the hatred and lies against Ham and Kanaan. It was Noah who sinned. Then, the Europeans added words that were not in the original language to make it appear that Kanaan touched his grandfather. Bigotry is against all people of color, gays, transgenders, people with disabilities are looking different, and on and on! Churches even said Kanaan was the son of Ham's mother and him, which is disgusting! Church people are now trying to make teachers teach the Bible, having the Commandments put in the classrooms that they don't even keep! Let me also tell you that there is no hellfire. It is the lake of fire, and the Bible says:

 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell (the grave) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (Rev 20:13) 

 And death and hell (the grave) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Rev 20:14) 

Hell comes from the Greek Hades, and it is about the grave! I want to help you see the mistakes so we can both change. I want to be safe, and I want you to be safe. I want us to get along, and I assure you that the things I provided for you can be understood with the help of THE HOLY SPIRIT! Pray for me, Bonnie; I need it as I pray for you! Blessings!

[bonnie1962]

7 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

 On 6/2/2024 at 10:40 AM, bonnie1962 said:

That being said I also firmly believe that sin is sin therefore just because I'm not dressing up as a woman and stuffing things up my backside and trying to bugger kids I am in just as much danger of hell fire as is anyone else be they straight or in the LGBTQQAA++ community.

 

 

Nope Didnt say  the above.

 

Bonnie said: That isn't what this group is after, they want their lifestyle to be viewed as acceptable and completely normal and those that oppose are bigoted, judgmental "christians". Doesn't take long for the "do not judge crowd" to start admonishing.  Aren't they  by stating their opinion and taking the opposition to task committing the very sin they are attributing to others?

 

That is exactly what this group wants. You make a judgement against me and call that hate for stating that. You are not qualified to make that judgement. I  believe the majority of these individuals have a mental disorder. I do not believe we suddenly have this almost epidemic of people discovering they are actually the opposite sex. Especially when the claim is made they knew this at 2-3 years old.  I do not have to accept that as normal and good to prove I don't hate those that transgender.  Leave my child alone and do not try to push for the government to take over my role and that is exactly what is happening. Not hate. 

Don't try to force me to agree with your claims and practices  and then to sound self righteous and claim that is hatred. And I do not have to agree with you to prove how christian I am. Thankfully that determination is not in your hands.

Doesn't take long for the "do not judge crowd" to start admonishing.  Aren't they  by stating their opinion and taking the opposition to task committing the very sin they are attributing to others?

This is exactly what you are doing

 

[bonnie1962]

"Personally I believe God will deal harsher with a active pedophile than those committing other sins." The other quotes you made are exactly what I am stating. You feel like you have a right to put them down just like the Pharisees did Mary, the Kanaanites, and black people.

I didn't put anyone down and it is ludicrous for you to make this accusation " you feel you have the right to put them down like the Pharisees did Mary, the Kanaanites, and black people". Notice please that what I said was I believe.  I don't know, I don't claim to know I didn't day I wish, or they would burn forever. I do believe that those that harm a child ,especially in that way that they can carry thru life will have a harsher punishment. 

You need to re-examine the word hate and take a careful look at the accusations you so freely throw at others.

 

It is all the same. My concern is to be kind and, with the help of THE HOLY SPIRIT, to change their lives. You keep bringing up your daughter, as I said, and something happening in a bathroom out in public, as I said. You do not see your hatred and judgemental attitude, so I pray you will know you are wrong. Bonnie, the discussion was on the bathroom, but you took it to another level, and that's the problem.

No I don't believe that is your concern. I don't have a daughter.  My hope and prayer for you is for you to stop judging everyone that does not agree with you. Having an opinion that differs from you does not equal hate. Must be sad to go thru life without being able to form an opinion so as to avoid the accusation of hate

 

I was trying to show how it relates to the hatred and lies against Ham and Kanaan. It was Noah who sinned. Then, the Europeans added words that were not in the original language to make it appear that Kanaan touched his grandfather.

As there was no hatred and certainly no lies the above is completely irrelevant and certainly has nothing to do with race or whether Noah sinned

 

Bigotry is against all people of color, gays, transgenders, people with disabilities are looking different, and on and on! Churches even said Kanaan was the son of Ham's mother and him, which is disgusting! Church people are now trying to make teachers teach the Bible, having the Commandments put in the classrooms that they don't even keep! Let me also tell you that there is no hellfire. It is the lake of fire, and the Bible says:

 

It would be nice if we could stick to the topic at hand.  As for the term hellfire take that up with Gustave. But let me tell you that I don't think most people really care whether hellfire or lake of fire is used. Unless someone has  really limited understanding it is not necessary to always correcting someone

 

[bonnie1962]

1.Hopefully this can be kept on track

2. Myself and many others  believe if you use a dictionary if necessary have the xy chomosone you are male, unless you can change that a male you will remain.

3 If you or anyone here makes a conscious choice to share a bathroom with those they consider the opposite sex, Go for it, I don't care. If you believe by taking some hormones the birth sex can be changed, that is your right. Just don't shove it down my throat and demand it become law

4. I do believe active pedophiles will be judged more harshly. PLease note and use a dictionary if necessary. I did not say I want them to burn forever, or God can't forgive a repentant pedophile. I don't want a pedophile near my granddaughters.

5 Those that fall under this description transgenders, gays or transvestites etc have a right to live without harrassment as everyone does, just stop with the unfounded accusations and the misapplication of scripture.  Hate, bigot and racist are such  handy words for some to throw around, the words lose their meaning.

6.I don't want drag queens in our libraries entertaining young children or sharing bathrooms with them either. Doesn't mean I hate them.

7. Look up the meaning of the word Opinion.

[Gustave]

Supporting / celebrating the ideology that trans women are women is like clenching your fists and screaming at Heaven that potatoes are elephants, it's idiotic. I believe that there is an argument for single use women's bathroom evolving into just "bathrooms". Mutating a multi-stall women's bathroom into a tranny-can is a perverse act. That's my 2 cents on the matter. 

[bonnie1962]

Not at all sure why this has developed into a sermon on hate.  I did get a kick out of 

"Supporting / celebrating the ideology that trans women are women is like clenching your fists and screaming at Heaven that potatoes are elephants, it's idiotic". 

 

[stinsonmarri]

5 hours ago, Gustave said:

Supporting / celebrating the ideology that trans women are women is like clenching your fists and screaming at Heaven that potatoes are elephants, it's idiotic. I believe that there is an argument for single use women's bathroom evolving into just "bathrooms". Mutating a multi-stall women's bathroom into a tranny-can is a perverse act. That's my 2 cents on the matter. 

That is why a unisex bathroom would solve the problem and the dispute of gay or transgender choice to be who they claim they are! Whether anyone at this time does not like it. My point is witnessing to lead people to YAHSHUA! Fussing about what they do and how they act is making Satan win. Through THE POWER of THE HOLY SPIRIT, I am called to show humbly with love the truth. We can change many from sin, but we must get ourselves out of the way. I am looking at all the hatred that the Bible said would happen when this is being revealed. This is the time of sorrow, and time is winding down. That is what we need to concentrate on: our soul's salvation and what we can do for our fellow people! Blessing!

[bonnie1962]

When I was a kid my cousin and I used to play I Spy sin in church. We had a few members that were always creating a problem(sin) out of a comment or action so they could correct it. They never tired of correcting others with scriptures and prayer for the "guilty ". It must have been pretty satisfying for them as they never missed an opportunity.

I am glad I don't have to worry about it. I think people can oppose an idea, behavior or law without hatred being a part of that.

Obviously not all do so will leave those to continue 

[stinsonmarri]

7 hours ago, bonnie1962 said:

1.Hopefully this can be kept on track

2. Myself and many others  believe if you use a dictionary if necessary have the xy chomosone you are male, unless you can change that a male you will remain.

3 If you or anyone here makes a conscious choice to share a bathroom with those they consider the opposite sex, Go for it, I don't care. If you believe by taking some hormones the birth sex can be changed, that is your right. Just don't shove it down my throat and demand it become law

4. I do believe active pedophiles will be judged more harshly. PLease note and use a dictionary if necessary. I did not say I want them to burn forever, or God can't forgive a repentant pedophile. I don't want a pedophile near my granddaughters.

5 Those that fall under this description transgenders, gays or transvestites etc have a right to live without harrassment as everyone does, just stop with the unfounded accusations and the misapplication of scripture.  Hate, bigot and racist are such  handy words for some to throw around, the words lose their meaning.

6.I don't want drag queens in our libraries entertaining young children or sharing bathrooms with them either. Doesn't mean I hate them.

7. Look up the meaning of the word Opinion.

You see, that's the problem. No one is shoveling anything down your throat. You are doing the shoveling. You feel you can say anything you like, even if you are shown it is unnecessary. You think that everyone is picking on you when it is just the opposite, your way or the highway. Well, that is not how people who claim to love THE MOST HIGH are supposed to act. YOUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY! 

Bonnie, you do not take the time to hear how you sound. You do not hear how the words you say are full of hatred because they do unholy sexual acts and claim to be of the opposite sex. We all know that! THE CREATOR allowed sin to take its course. HE IS THE CREATOR, and not any of us! He provided a choice, and we must accept it; you do not have the power to save; HE DOES!  So, I am saying it is not about you but YAHSHUA, who died to save the world. You have not, and I will be frank with you: if you keep acting the way you are, you will not make it being so disgusting about something you cannot change! THE HOLY SPIRIT can if they and you will allow HIM! THE HOLY SPIRIT, give a look at the heart of all of us, and you will find many will be saved, and your attitude will cause you to lose out. I know THE HOLY SPIRIT is working out the bathroom situation to get the gay peace and hopefully some church people peace. IT is all about allowing HIM so that we can finish this work. Peace, humbleness, and love comes to us by THE HOLY SPIRIT. That is what I choose. My prayer is that you would choose also! Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

5 minutes ago, bonnie1962 said:

When I was a kid, my cousin and I used to play I Spy Sins in church. We had a few members that were always creating a problem(sin) out of a comment or action so they could correct it. They never tired of correcting others with scriptures and prayer for the "guilty ". It must have been pretty satisfying for them as they never missed an opportunity.

I am glad I don't have to worry about it. I think people can oppose an idea, behavior or law without hatred being a part of that.

Obviously, not all do so will leave those to continue 

That, my friend, is your choice!

[Gustave]

5 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

That is why a unisex bathroom would solve the problem and the dispute of gay or transgender choice to be who they claim they are! Whether anyone at this time does not like it. My point is witnessing to lead people to YAHSHUA! Fussing about what they do and how they act is making Satan win. Through THE POWER of THE HOLY SPIRIT, I am called to show humbly with love the truth. We can change many from sin, but we must get ourselves out of the way. I am looking at all the hatred that the Bible said would happen when this is being revealed. This is the time of sorrow, and time is winding down. That is what we need to concentrate on: our soul's salvation and what we can do for our fellow people! Blessing!

Hi stinsonmarri, 

If you are talking about a single bathroom designed for 1 and only one person I agree with you totally. IF we are talking about a large bathroom with multiple stalls my position is that a MAN has absolutely zero business being in a women's bathroom, excepting an emergency. 

A few years ago I found myself downtown in a high rise and needing to use a bathroom like NOW - the only one on the level I was on was a woman's bathroom - I told the security guard I identified as a woman, ran in there and hammered one out. THAT and only that is the only time it's appropriate for a man to use a woman's bathroom. 

So you see, I myself was "trans" for a couple minutes and I don't think anything was wrong with that. A man in a dress that wants to muscle himself in a female restroom because he identifies himself as female is just a pervert looking for an excuse to be closer to females. 

[stinsonmarri]

I am talking about one separate bathroom, so anyone can use it. I just called Unisex because many any sex. That is what I have been saying and agreeing with you from the beginning. All this other nonsense should be left off. None of us should judge anyone or make a big scene about their lifestyle. We all know who they are and what they do. What we should do is show them love like YAHSHUA showed love for Mary, Judah his disciple and the blind man HE healed! We are even supposed to love our enemies the Bible said. That is very hard to sometime, but I am going to do it. That all I am saying. I just you to know I agree with you! Blessings! 

[Gustave]

11 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

I am talking about one separate bathroom, so anyone can use it. I just called Unisex because many any sex. That is what I have been saying and agreeing with you from the beginning. All this other nonsense should be left off. None of us should judge anyone or make a big scene about their lifestyle. We all know who they are and what they do. What we should do is show them love like YAHSHUA showed love for Mary, Judah his disciple and the blind man HE healed! We are even supposed to love our enemies the Bible said. That is very hard to sometime, but I am going to do it. That all I am saying. I just you to know I agree with you! Blessings! 

I don't see any issue with having a single use bathroom as just a bathroom as this is inclusive for transvestites, the furry society (those who identify as cats or whatever other animal) & of course carbon units who don't identify as either sex or even a carbon-based life form.  I think we are in agreement here. 

My only caveat is that these "alternative" lifestyles should be kept away from Children. If an adult wants to go to a strip club, drag show or participate in any other sexual setting that should be the individuals choice - it shouldn't be paraded in front of developing children.  That's all I'm saying. 

 

[bonnie1962]

We have a few places locally that have single use restrooms. Seems to work fine most of the time.  A couple places locally have had unisex, men/women restrooms. Not sure why there needs to be such a problem with this. I am not a big fan of Target but   I would be a little more prone to shopping there now after they started  getting slapped down pretty good  and threatened with boycotts for announcing all  patrons and staff could use the bathroom of their choice. It sounds as if all Target stores will have men/women/unisex. I would hope once the unisex bathrooms have been resolved that it have an effect on schools and competitive sports

[stinsonmarri]

On 7/2/2024 at 11:43 AM, Gustave said:

I don't see any issue with having a single-use bathroom as just a bathroom as this is inclusive for transvestites, the furry society (those who identify as cats or whatever other animal) & of course, carbon units who don't identify as either sex or even a carbon-based life form.  I think we agree here. 

My only caveat is that these "alternative" lifestyles should be kept away from Children. If an adult wants to go to a strip club, drag show, or participate in any other sexual setting, that should be the individual's choice - it shouldn't be paraded in front of developing children.  That's all I'm saying. 

 

I am being honest; I have not seen any child being attacked by gay people! Pedophiles have used social media for years. Most of these are men who want to mess with young children. So, I would like to prove or some data to show that gay people have gone after children! Younger children on their own have made their claim that they are gay to their parents. My nephew from my older brother was gay. He was the oldest child, but his mother was not married to my brother. I was not fond of the mother and was glad my brother did not marry her. She was not very friendly. To find out she was gay. I felt she just used my brother to have a child. Sadly, both of them are deceased. My brother never disowned his son. Both my niece and nephew love him as their brother. He did not come around much because of his lifestyle, and none of us, including my mother, showed him love and accepted him as her grandson! It was he who acted indifferent. His mother made him that, I feel. He died of Aids, and she died of Cancer later on. I am sad because of their choice. They never wanted to hear the truth and accept what we wanted to give. That is my point, and that is love!

[Gustave]

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Stinsonmarri said: I am being honest; I have not seen any child being attacked by gay people! Pedophiles have used social media for years.

I unfortunately have. 

I've known (and know) stellar gay people who would never mess with kids. 

This isn't this conversation - this conversation is about men using restrooms designated for females. The point I'm making is that a biological male is no more female than a cow is a potato. The ONLY reason for a man to use a woman's bathroom is if he can't make it to a men's bathroom. At that point the "Trans" ition into the opposite sex is appropriate. Hell, I've admitted I've identified as trans once in my life for this reason. 

I've demonstrated my solidarity with the movement. 

[bonnie1962]

My husband did same only his little trip was accidental. He didn't realize it was a unisex bathroom until he saw high heels under the gap between floor and door. He was afraid to come out and expose himself as a man thinking not knowing what the women would do.

I think the biggest danger to this is high school, probably to both transgender and the rest  of the students as well. I would have to think gays and lesbians would be far more interested in  typical facilities than unisex. A gay man that is also a pedophile would not be nearly so noticeable in a mens restrooms as he would in a unisex bathroom. Let there be a restroom/shower/changing facilities. Transgender, straight gay or ?? is then free to use that facility if they prefer.

[Gustave]

Last week, not far from where I live there was an incident at a school where a non-binary member of the LGBT community climbed under a bathroom stall, supposedly to supervise a young girls bowel movement. While there WAS NOT a physical attack involved - the act made the young girl uncomfortable and thankfully she had the wits about her to document this invasion of her privacy with her cell phone camera. Years ago a famous music star was caught read handed pulling the same stunt only in that case I believe the music star stood on the toilet in the adjacent stall and was peeking over the stall wall at a young boy.  The story below was covered by KVI here in Seattle.

 

 

[stinsonmarri]

Gustave, thank you, but it is still rare! Blessings!

[bonnie1962]

It is not just about assaults. Why should women be forced to share shower facilities and restrooms with men?Transgender does not make them a woman. Why are young females that work so hard to compete in competitive sports be forced to compete against males. Why should my 6'5" son be allowed to claim he considers himself a woman and compete with a petite 5'2" female. Then shower and change in the same facility with her.  Perhaps there are women that don't have a problem with that but most of us do

[stinsonmarri]

That is why the issue is done in one separate individual bathroom. Go in peace to all!