Amelia Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Hitler and Stalin were possessed by the Devil, says Vatican exorcist By NICK PISA The Daily Mail 28th August 2006 Adolf Hitler and Russian leader Stalin were possessed by the Devil, the Vatican's chief exorcist has claimed. Father Gabriele Amorth who is Pope Benedict XVI's 'caster out of demons' made his comments during an interview with Vatican Radio. Father Amorth said: "Of course the Devil exists and he can not only possess a single person but also groups and entire populations. "I am convinced that the Nazis were all possessed. All you have to do is think about what Hitler - and Stalin did. Almost certainly they were possessed by the Devil. "You can tell by their behaviour and their actions, from the horrors they committed and the atrocities that were committed on their orders. That's why we need to defend society from demons." According to secret Vatican documents recently released wartime pontiff Pope Pius XII attempted a "long distance" exorcism of Hitler which failed to have any effect. Father Amorth said: "It's very rare that praying and attempting to carry out an exorcism from distance works. "Of course you can pray for someone from a distance but in this case it would not have any effect. "One of the key requirements for an exorcism is to be present in front of the possessed person and that person also has to be consenting and willing. "Therefore trying to carry out an exorcism on someone who is not present, or consenting and willing would prove very difficult. "However I have no doubt that Hitler was possessed and so it does not surprise me that Pope Pius XII tried a long distance exorcism." In the past Father Amorth has also spoken out against the Harry Potter books, claiming that reading the novels of the teen wizard open children's minds to dabbling with the occult and black magic. Father Amorth, who is president of the International Association of Exorcists, said of the JK Rowling books:"Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil." He said that Rowling's books contain innumerable positive references to magic, "the satanic art" and added the books attempt to make a false distinction between black and white magic, when in fact, the distinction "does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil." Father Amorth is said to have carried out more than 30,000 exorcisms in his career and his favourite film is, according to Italian newspapers The Exorcist. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Well they would probably know... Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> That's why we need to defend society from demons. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> McCarthyism. Salem witch-hunts. Genocide. Inquisition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Here's alittle different perspective: My son was neglected and aboused in utero. He perceives himself as being the only one he can trust, resulting in very anti-social behaviours. He hits, kicks me, teases the animals etc. He has no conscience, no empathy, no remorse, no feeling or caring about anyone other than himself. It's called "Reactive Attachment Disorder." The result, without effective intervention, is a sociopath of possibly varying degrees. His therapist has told him about "the control monster" in his tummy, and how by various exercises, he can replace the control monster with a baby heart. I mentioned that what she was describing seemed an awful lot like the devil and Jesus, and she nodded. Now, to Hitler, etc. What were the histories of these people? Were they neglected by their mother? Were they abandoned by their mother in early childhood, or did they feel that they had been? So maybe they -were- possessed by the devil, just not in the "crazy" way we all see possession. Just something to think about. [from a very hurting mom] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 That is horrible for everyone... I can not even imagine that life.. I am hurting for you.... How old is he now? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Gail Posted September 9, 2006 Administrators Share Posted September 9, 2006 Oh, Dottie, I feel so sorry for your anguish! <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bevin Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> because magic is always a turn to the devil." Father Amorth is said to have carried out more than 30,000 exorcisms in his career and his favourite film is, according to Italian newspapers The Exorcist. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> and the difference between magic and exorcism is? /Bevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 I'm sorry if my post caused any ill feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Dottie, I'm sorry you're hurting, sorry you're going through this, and sorry to hear about your boy's problems. I'm not going to say anything else because there's nothing really to be said that won't sound trite. As the parent of a mentally handicapped child, though, I can relate to your pain. One thing you said confused me, however. You mentioned your son was "abused and neglected in utero". I'm not sure I understand. The womb is a protective place by nature -- for example if you don't eat adequately your body will provide nutrition to the fetus first and deprive *you* instead -- and unless you suffered some traumatic physical injury I see no way he could have been "abused and neglected" "in utero". I'm concerned because that phrase raises a red flag for me and makes me worried someone may have sold a load of nonsense in some fine-sounding theory. If I'm being too intrusive just say the word and I'll shut up and back off ... but what does that mean, exactly??? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> magic is always a turn to the devil. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> If that comment were discussing gender, it would be sexist. Speaking worlds into existence hardly qualifies as a turn to the devil. Perhaps the Catlick prisst lacks a proper definition of magick. Magick is no more and no less than "causing change to occur in accordance with one's will." By strict definition, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magick. As is any well-executed definitive plan for transformation or success. Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Guess I shouldn't have addded the "hurting" part. His mother and father fought a lot during their time together. There were two older siblings who were originally placed in the same home, but the older sister blew the placement, and the boy was adopted the same day our son was. She had been molested at age 3. And for those of you who think that the children should have been adopted together--it is better for them, as well as any adoptive parents, that they weren't. About the in utero stuff. Does drug use and domestic violence count as abuse and emotional neglect? When mother was told that the parental rights had been terminated (she didn't feel like going to the trial) she just said "I'm glad that's over." There are videos showing that a child will squeeze the umbilical cord if the mother is just thinking about lighting up. Maybe that's why smoking mothers have low birth rate babies. Also, there are pictures of a baby putting its hands over its ears if it hears shouting in the room. Also in utero. Just to help you get a better understanding, look up "attachment disorder" on the net. My son was correctly diagnosed by a friend when I wrote her telling her of his behaviours in pre-school. She has never met him because we live over 3000 miles apart, but just telling her about him, she suggested we get him to a therapist. It took us more than six months to find someone who would help. And yes, it has helped tremendously!! <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/untitled.bmp" alt="" /> But we have many years to go if he will decide to change. He's 5 1/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Anyone who has murder in his/her heart or lies is controlled by a/demon/s, at least temporarily. [:"red"] "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." [/]John 8:44 NASB <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/DOVE.gif" alt="" /> BTW if anyone's conscience is smitten as this is being posted, it is none of my conscious effort. Maybe that means it would be better if I were unconscious more often. <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/mittelgr124.gif" alt="" /> Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanne Sutton Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 [:"blue"]Dottie, you adopted your son. That explains a lot. I have heard of babies and children being sexually abused very early in life and somehow it severely damages them. Then some unknowing family adopts them and the trouble begins. Many times this information is purposely withheld from the adopting family. Others times it is not known. At the same time, many families have successfully adopted children and do not have these problems. What is the answer here. Much prayer is certainly needed in this situation. Suzanne[/] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 12, 2006 Moderators Share Posted September 12, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Suzanne Sutton said: [:"blue"]Dottie, you adopted your son. That explains a lot. I have heard of babies and children being sexually abused very early in life and somehow it severely damages them. Then some unknowing family adopts them and the trouble begins. Many times this information is purposely withheld from the adopting family. Others times it is not known. At the same time, many families have successfully adopted children and do not have these problems. What is the answer here. Much prayer is certainly needed in this situation. Suzanne[/] <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Yes, it is so important to pray throughout the whole process of deciding whether as well as whom to adopt. I come from a family in which 3 children were adopted. I would say that if a family already has young girls, they need to think seriously before they decide to adopt a boy that will be either older or about the same age as his "sisters." The adopted boy will probably not feel like they are his sisters, especially if he is made aware that he is adopted, but may develop a sexual attraction for them in a way that a natural brother is less likely to. One never knows the early hereditary or environmental influences on an adopted child or whether he will molest the other children, male or female. Parents seldom think of anything except that they want a child and that they are helping a child have a family, but there is so much more at stake, and many lives may be changed for better or worse as a result of their choice. My older sister adopted a little boy from central America and then found out that he had very severe emotional problems. The adoption agency did not tell her that the little boy had watched his parents get murdered in cold blood on their front yard by revolutionaries. He almost killed my sister. After returning him to his country of origin, my sister finally adopted a little girl that turned out to be "mentally challanged." She's a sweet girl but it has cost my sister much sorrow and a good deal of money for special education, etc. My younger sister-- a caucasion--adopted a little black girl, which had consequences when she moved to a Southern state. Even at the age of 6 she is already throwing it in my sister's and her husband's faces that they are not really her parents. As adoptive parents, one may expect a child will be grateful for all one has done for them, but don't be surprised if they go through a period where they are not. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 12, 2006 Moderators Share Posted September 12, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Amelia said: Hitler and Stalin were possessed by the Devil, says Vatican exorcist By NICK PISA The Daily Mail 28th August 2006 Adolf Hitler and Russian leader Stalin were possessed by the Devil, the Vatican's chief exorcist has claimed. Father Gabriele Amorth who is Pope Benedict XVI's 'caster out of demons' made his comments during an interview with Vatican Radio... Father Amorth said: "Of course the Devil exists and he can not only possess a single person but also groups and entire populations. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Despite the faults of the Catholic church and its leadership, I have no doubt that God still uses Catholics to tell people about Jesus and even perhaps to cast out demons. God has many of His people still in the Catholic church. I have no doubt, also, that Hitler and Stalin were at the very least controlled by Satan and it is quite possible they were possessed, although no one can be certain. Certainly Satan and his demons possess people in modern times and in so-called scientific societies. Please see excellent books on this subject written by Vaughn Allen, an Adventist teacher and pastor, and published by TEACH Services: Victory on the Battlefield, The War Is Real, and You Can Be Free. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Dottie said: About the in utero stuff. Does drug use and domestic violence count as abuse and emotional neglect? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I think drug use would definitely affect a child in utero. I don't know that the child experiences that as abuse and neglect, but it definitely is detrimental to a developing baby, and could probably leave him with biochemical imbalances and other problems. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> ... she suggested we get him to a therapist. It took us more than six months to find someone who would help. And yes, it has helped tremendously!! <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/untitled.bmp" alt="" /> <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I'm glad you have found something helpful for him. I hope and pray the road ahead is filled with blessing and healing for you both. You sound like a very devoted and attentive Mom, and he is blessed to have you! <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/i.p.emrose.gif" alt="" /> Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> John317 said: I have no doubt, also, that Hitler and Stalin were at the very least controlled by Satan and it is quite possible they were possessed, although no one can be certain. Certainly Satan and his demons possess people in modern times and in so-called scientific societies. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Personally, I'd like to see some sort of definitive study -- and by that I mean medically and scientifically sound and verified -- delineating the difference between demon possession and mental illness. I'm not saying possession doesn't exist. I'm just saying I'd like to see those lines a bit more firmly and clearly drawn. I've seen documentaries on television showing persons who believed themselves possessed, had several exorcisms, etc. and from what they showed of these people, they looked like they were simply disordered and "acting out" their internal turmoil and conflicts. Most of them didn't even present as seriously mentally ill -- just sad, angry, confused, and highly suggestible. I myself, for many years, either used to be possessed or else believed I was and acted accordingly. To this day I'm not entirely certain which it was, and I have no conclusive proof either way. While I am no longer as obsessed with getting to the bottom of that question as I was for about half my life, it would still be nice if I could one day know the answer for certain. Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planey Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> ...some sort of definitive study -- and by that I mean medically and scientifically sound and verified -- delineating the difference between demon possession and mental illness. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I agree with you here, Nico; I have often thought such a study would be enlightening. However, what would such a study entail? What criteria could you use to decide one way or the other? Are there any definitive tests that one could use? I admit to not knowing of any such assessment instrument, but I would be happy to hear of such if you know anything in this area. I gladly bear to your (much) greater experience in this field. Graeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Planey said: What criteria could you use to decide one way or the other? Are there any definitive tests that one could use? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Well, I know at least at some point in history the Catholic church required some type of supernatural manifestation as definitive. The person presumed possessed would have to demonstrate knowledge of something s/he could not possibly have known otherwise, or some superhuman strength, or levitation, or some other type of thing like that. However, there are two serious flaws with this methodology. The first is that any definitive understanding of phenomena we call "supernatural" has yet to be established. Such phenomena is notoriously difficult (if not impossible) to reproduce consistently under deliberate effort, e.g. lab conditions; hence the tendency of skeptics and 'materialist' scientists to disbelieve its existence altogether. Even among those who accept the existence of such phenomena there is disagreement as to what, precisely, causes such things -- whether it is the human mind, spirits, as-yet-not-understood grids of subtle energy, etc. etc. So from a strictly "academic" standpoint this alone -- its presence or absence -- would be insufficient to establish the presence or absence of a demonic entity. The second has to do with the question of whether an inhabiting entity wishes its presence known or not. No doubt IF demon possession is real there might be some entities who enjoy a good show-off, but if the threat of being ousted from their host/ess is also real, is it not logical to think they would prefer to keep their presence and hold upon the host/ess a secret, or at least an elusive suspicion that can never be pinned down? In that event, knowing that the exercise of things deemed "supernatural" by the humans is considered a definitive sign of possession, it is logical to conclude they might refrain from such a display altogether, or offer it only in a setting where an informed/educated detection of their presence is not deemed a threat. Furthermore they might elect to get up to such mischief as to subtly manifest supernatural phenomena only to immediately withdraw and leave both host/ess and any onlookers wondering what they have just witnessed and whether it was real, and withdrawing for sufficient time as to allow the observing minds to conclude that nothing really happened. Trust me, if you don't want to be detected but you still want to maximize the potential for driving human minds to the edge of sanity, there are ways ... Ah, where was I? Yes, the definitive test. Well it would seem to me that if I were a demon I might wish to have my prey officially diagnosed with a mental aberration of some sort so as to forever put out of the minds of others the possibility that I exist and am holding someone hostage. Then whenever the prey "acted up", instead of invoking the spectre of possession it would cause others to simply recall ah yes, so and so is schizoid (or whatever). Of course if I were a demon I might even find an opportunity to speak through my slave and say as much, because in doing so I could "split thought" in two separate directions: one class would nod in agreement thinking, "ah yes, that is indeed the type of cunning a demon would have" and never suspect my presence as certainly I am too clever to "out myself"; meanwhile another class would imagine they were "penetrating" the situation one layer further and deducing my slave to be playacting at having a demon (all in good fun of course!) and therefore never suspect the reality of my presence. Then again, if I were a demon I might even go so far as to start a discussion such as this just to prattle on about such things and cause minds to stir as I have described. And then take great delight in saying so outright because I know it would be so ludicrous and over the top to even consider that my secret would be forever safe. And of course the very opposite of that as well -- that it would so blatantly expose my presence that in the end, no one would take it seriously. But of course I am not a demon, so all this speculation is moot. But it just serves to illustrate the multiple layers of mindjobbing that can go on in such situations. (Did I have any of you going with that?) <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Where was I again? Ah, yes, a definitive test. Well, as far as I'm aware there is none. Yet. But yes, I would like to see a more solid criteria established as well -- IF indeed there IS a such thing as possession and it is separate from what we call mental illness. One last monkey wrench to throw into the equation: I have also read in certain tomes of "spiritual warfare" that there is an advanced level of demonic symbiosis (possession) known as "perfect possession" in which the process is irrevocably complete and irreversible. That is, where the demon(s) have so completely taken over the host/ess that there no longer remains any part of the host that is not fused with the demonic entity. In such a configuration, the distinction between host and possessing entity or entities is completely erased. The demonic invaders have swallowed their prey whole, so to speak. The integration is seamless, and there is no more struggle. The prey has no will of its own and never will again. These "perfect possessions" by their very nature will NOT typically manifest as a case of possession because it is seamless and there is no conflict. The bizarre behavior of the possessed is due to the internal conflict between invader(s) and host/ess -- the host/ess is struggling to keep hold of any tiny portion of control s/he can grasp -- and thus in a case of perfect possession there would not be all the histrionics and drama normally associated with the typical possession case. But whether there's truth to that notion or whether it's more smoke blowing, I could not tell you .... ... Because then I'd have to kill you. <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/oops.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/mf_surrender.gif" alt="" /> (Kidding!! ONLY KIDDING!!!!) <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/thats-funny.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/yeahthat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/crack-up.gif" alt="" /> Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bevin Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Nico's reply raises the whole issue of how we know things. The answer is critical to how whole areas of 'knowledge' develop. There have only been three basic proposals 1a) Emotional - "I feel it to be true, therefore it is" 1b) Authoritative - "My Book/God/Leader told me so, therefore it is" 2) Scientific - "We have reproducible experiments, therefore we know what it is not" There is no real difference between the 1a & 1b, and a HUGE gap between them an 2. The usual argument in favor of the existence AT ALL of demon possession is that Jesus said it happens. To me, all that means is that Jesus was meeting people where he found them. There would be one basic proof of demon possession - the person doing something that science can't explain. And there are no rigorously documented instances. Instead there are obvious instances of fraud, and there are obvious instances of the churches (who have strong vested interest in scaring people) not doing a proper job of trying to detect such fraud. Just look at all the Weeping Statues of Mary nonsense. /Bevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Thank you, Bevin. I trust you found my reply sufficiently entertaining? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> As they say, the devil is in the details!! <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/laughhard.gif" alt="" /> Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> bevin said: There would be one basic proof of demon possession - the person doing something that science can't explain. And there are no rigorously documented instances. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> There is one critical flaw in this theory, however: it is assumed (though it is not proven by any means) that a demon (1) CAN do something "that science can't explain"; (2) maintains that ability while possessing a human host/ess; and (3) WILL do such a thing "through" its "prey" in the presence of witnesses while in possession of a human host/ess. None of these axioms have any more shred of evidence to establish them than the whole notion of demonic possession itself being a separate phenomenon from mental illness. Going back to the clever words of (was it Arthur C. Clarke?) that "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magick," we find a principle that what we term magick or the supernatural is, in fact, simply that range of things our currently evolved sciences are not yet capable of explaining. That does not mean it will always be that way. It was only a mere 500 years ago or so -- a drop in the bucket in terms of all time -- that men strove to "prove" the earth revolved around the sun and was spherical in shape. Those things which we deem supernatural (and ignorantly fear) may one day turn out to have a perfectly logical and scientific explanation. Just not according to today's level of scientific knowledge. So again, the notion that a supernatural manifestation must occur is highly flawed and suspect. Not to mention the entire realm of subjectivity in which such things are experienced to begin with. I can't explain why a light bulb "floated" to the floor (taking a full 40 +/- seconds to do so) instead of falling as its weight would dictate, but does that make the experience supernatural? How do I know I did not merely layer over top some sort of time-based hallucination where things seemed to move slowly? (That's a real experience I had once, by the way.) What was it Jesus said? "An evil generation seeketh after a sign ..." <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parade Orange Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Dottie u have alot on yoour plate. I am overwhemlmed at what kind of day you and yours have to walk day moment by moment. I am speechless. God bless you Quote All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parade Orange Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I beleive you can go to the depths when your a sinner. It knows no end. It is never satisfied. I believe that sin(in itself) can turn any of us into monsters. a Vain Monster! a Greedy Monster. a Lying Monster. a Lazy Monster. a Sex Monster! a Fearful Monster. a Gossipping Monster. a green eyed Monster. an Unbeileving Monster. and with enough people,weaponry,ect, and your sin/idol (HATE Monster)- you can accomplish do much more. What u worship can take u anywhere u dont want to go. Quote All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parade Orange Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I possebly cant mention all the Monsters! Cant think of all of them right now. And I dont know all the miriad of Monsters! living in a small town and all. Quote All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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