Jump to content
ClubAdventist is back!

Adventist Today's Aunt Sevvy Purposeful Deception or Illiterate Interpretation?


RonCorson

Recommended Posts

Adventist Today's Aunt Sevvy Purposeful Deception or Illiterate Interpretation?

By Ron Corson

 It never ceases to amaze me how the writers over at Adventist Today present false information so often. I suppose they write for a select group of people who will only agree with their writers and who won’t even bother to check out what they say. Take this for example from the anonymous Dear Aunt Sevvy:

If you don’t believe in 1844, why remain Adventist, Aunty?

One General Conference official has written that religious liberty in the church means you can leave if you don’t agree with what it officially stands for. Because he sees it only from the office at the top, he doesn’t understand what a church is. 

Here is what the article by Clifford Goldstein said back in 2013:

All this leads to the gist of what constitutes true religious freedom issues, and why I would, as Liberty editor, often tell those church members who wanted to drag us into their church disputes, "Sorry, wrong department."

Why? Because as already stated, at the most fundamental level, church affiliation is voluntary. You freely choose to be part of that body. The state, and the power of force it wields, has nothing to do with your membership. If something happens that you deem unfair, you are as free to leave that church body, just as you were to join. As long as no state coercion is involved, it's not a religious liberty issue in the classic sense.

So in fact the General Conference official was saying you can leave or join a church that is not the meaning of religious liberty. He states the meaning of religious liberty earlier in the article by saying:

This concept gets to the heart of religious liberty and church-state separation. In essence, people who join churches do so voluntarily. They are there of their own free will. They are not forced to join, and certainly not by the state. By joining a church, one publicly associates oneself, to some degree, with the teachings, mission, and goals of that church. What makes that membership meaningful is, however, the free association with that body. That association, and the public proclamation that comes merely by linking oneself to the name of the church, has potency only because one has freely chosen it. Forced membership would all but denude that proclamation of any public witness, of any testimony, public or private, regarding your convictions. You would be there because you had to be, not because you necessarily believed in what the church stood for.

John Locke, one of the patriarchs of religious freedom, wrote in 1698, in the context of religious liberty, that "I may grow rich by an Art that I take not delight in; I may be cured of some Disease by Remedies that I have not faith in; but I cannot be saved by a Religion I distrust, and by a Worship that I abhor."

It is hard to believe any thinking person could produce what the Aunt Sevvy column says. 


There was only one place in the Clifford Goldstein article that actually used the word "leave" and in that same paragraph, it says leaving your church is not religious liberty in the classic sense. Then she continues by saying that he does not understand what church is. To believe that this is just misinterpreting a fairly simple article is hard to believe. It appears that it is meant as an attack on Clifford Goldstein who is a constant nemesis for the people at Adventist Today. So the answer is pretty clearly not a simple misinterpretation of the article that Aunt Sevvy linked to. No, it is an attempt to fool people into thinking someone at the General Conference said something very dumb. Of course, the writer who remains anonymous could have given the quote from the article linked to but as that would not work at all with the writer's intentions they only linked to the article hoping that if the reader actually opened the article they would see Goldstein's name and let their bias take over. 

 I am sure though if their comments section worked many would praise the column. But as of now perhaps the Adventist Today site was hacked as when you click on their link to comment it takes you to a page that says

This content isn't available right now When this happens, it's usually because the owner only shared it with a small group of people, changed who can see it or it's been deleted.

It has been a few days and I don’t think they have even noticed!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • RonCorson changed the title to Adventist Today's Aunt Sevvy Purposeful Deception or Illiterate Interpretation?

Update: 10-12-22

So it does turn out that I have been blocked from viewing the public posts of Adventist Today. I did not think that was possible but searching the internet led me to an article on how the administrator can do that even though it is not something mentioned on FaceBook's Help Center. It did sound like it would take a bit of time but since they apparently don't edit out errors in their articles they seem to have time to do it. It does appear from the first answer in the comments that the insertion of the false information had its desired effect.

 

G.W. 

"This is a great reply from Aunt Sevvy!
The flip side to this conversation is, "I don't feel comfortable around the leaders of my church, and those within their circles.
They seem to be looking for ways to exclude me.
I have no problem with doctrinal differences, but being at church doesn't feel comfortable.

 

Can I ask those people to leave?"
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

Aunt Sevvy does it again. Someone supposedly asks her a question and her answer is sigh, no. 

Kind of shows that Aunt Sevvy is is only answering for people who believe just like she does. It would not have been hard to take the question more seriously and give a good reasoned response. But that is not the way things work over at Adventist Today,

---

https://atoday.org/do-you-agree-that-one-has-to-be-sda-to-be-saved/ 16 October 2022  |

Dear Aunt Sevvy,

I have been a Seventh-day Adventist my whole life. My parents were Adventists, and all my grandparents, and even my great-grandparents. I learned, as every Adventist should, that this is the church with the whole truth. There are other churches that have parts of the truth. They may know about Jesus and read the Bible—but because they don’t have the entire truth, including the second Advent and the Sabbath, and all of the writings of Ellen White, they are essentially false religions. I feel very strongly about this.

So this is my question to you, Aunt Sevvy: do you agree (as you should) that at this time in earth’s history, a person must be a Seventh-day Adventist to be saved?

Signed, Full Believer.


Dear Full Believer:

[Sigh].

No.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

If you find some value to this community, please help out with a few dollars per month.



×
×
  • Create New...