stinsonmarri Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 32 minutes ago, bonnie1962 said: Sorry, do I feel the need to respect a woman that chooses to abort unless her life or long term health is in danger, No I don't. ? You and I differ because it is not for me to justify what you feel! That's your choice. As I have told you, I present, and I do not interfere with THE HOLY SPIRIT'S Job. HE IS THE ONE who lead and guide people and this only happen if they listen and pray to know truth! 33 minutes ago, bonnie1962 said: Have no idea what this is supposed to mean Neither do I what do you mean? phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, stinsonmarri said: I think you need to read and understand that incest and sexual acts do not give a man or the government the right to keep a woman from aborting an unwanted child due to sin. Your condescending attitude at times does get a little tiresome. I never said one word that would give you the idea that I felt "incest and sexual acts do not give a man or the government the right to keep a woman from aborting an unwanted child due to sin". Most abortions are for convenience. If you feel that is the way it should be and is the right course for the government to okay say so. Stop hiding behind the infrequent reasons you keep bringing up. Those reasons had and have nothing to do with Roe vs Wade. They are a smoke screen for those that do not I want to take a stand We have a problem: we are not judges. YAHWEH IS! HE did not speak on it, so stop saying that is Biblically wrong! These are traditions of men and not anything that YAHWEH. Remember you are not a judge I do not believe that so no will not stop saying so . A babies life is not a tradition of men Spoke of! What I know is that YAHWEH took the life of David's son because of sin. HE IS THE CREATOR, and HE only has the right to judge, not us! This country is not based on religion; when Indians were slaughtered, Afrikans were enslaved, and Japanese citizens were gathered up and imprisoned. The treatment of the Indians was horrific. Also the treatment of Indian on Indian slaughter was horrific. The Indians were not strolling hand in hand thru the prairie grass before the europeans arrived. It did not make it right for the european settlers,nor was it right when indian tribe wanted what the other tribe had. They lost,that is what makes it wrong in everyones sight. War,Indian on Indian was "central to the way of life . War was a persistent reality" Aficans sold africans, which I believe you deny. Who was worse? Japanese were wrongly imprisoned, that was done out of fear. Remember Pearl Harbor? That might have had a little to do with it. More than a little blame to go around The civil war happened because people felt that black people who YAHWEH CREATED and their color were subject to a lie when Noah was intoxicated. Then, the Pharisees started the lie. That is why they stopped the people from saying YAHWEH'S NAME! Because of Noah's lie, people did not study and find that Kenaan was a child! It is all about the birthright! Blessings! The civil war had more than one cause. Economic policies were one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, stinsonmarri said: Let's keep our discussion grounded in facts. Just as you asked me about what Trump said, I'd like to know what Biden said. Please, show me the evidence. Let's base our arguments on what was actually said, not on hearsay or misinterpretation. Did you read what I said? This country is not based on religion, and then I explained all the sins this country has committed! Just a little backgroound in the decades long history of remarks by Biden Joe Biden didn't just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause in schools, experts say. (nbcnews.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 13 minutes ago, bonnie1962 said: Just a little backgroound in the decades long history of remarks by Biden Joe Biden didn't just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause in schools, experts say. (nbcnews.com) He once called Barack Obama, “articulate, bright and clean.” He boasted about his working relationship with segregationist senators. Now Joe Biden has drawn fire for telling a black radio host that anyone wavering over whether to vote for him or President Trump “ain’t black.” 13 minutes ago, bonnie1962 said: That would be helpful no doubt. That is why I asked you exactly what was said,you neglected to answer. I don't think a country committing sins is hardly a newsflash A lot of people disagree with you. While I don't agree entirely, there is little doubt it's start was religious in nature by many of the colonists. Not all of course but it had a pretty strong religious component. Down thru the ages it has had a strong religious background, right or wrong in other beliefs. Which is really neither here nor there. As I have lived here for 79 years, trust me you do not need to explain all the sins this country has committed. You seem to have a very high regard for your own opinion that is not always shared by others 13 minutes ago, bonnie1962 said: That would be helpful no doubt. That is why I asked you exactly what was said,you neglected to answer. I don't think a country committing sins is hardly a newsflash A lot of people disagree with you. While I don't agree entirely, there is little doubt it's start was religious in nature by many of the colonists. Not all of course but it had a pretty strong religious component. Down thru the ages it has had a strong religious background, right or wrong in other beliefs. Which is really neither here nor there. As I have lived here for 79 years, trust me you do not need to explain all the sins this country has committed. You seem to have a very high regard for your own opinion that is not always shared by others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 11 minutes ago, bonnie1962 said: He once called Barack Obama, “articulate, bright and clean.” He boasted about his working relationship with segregationist senators. Now Joe Biden has drawn fire for telling a black radio host that anyone wavering over whether to vote for him or President Trump “ain’t black.” Joe Biden’s Problematic Record On Racial Justice Explained (nymag.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 1 Author Members Share Posted August 1 Trump's new birtherism Donald Trump's audacious lie about Vice President Harris' race confirmed what many had long suspected: running against a Black woman could summon the former president's worst impulses, Axios' Zachary Basu writes. Why it matters: Amid outrage from Democrats and discomfort from Republicans, Trump is doubling down on his incendiary claim that Harris recently "became a Black person" for political convenience. In one fell swoop, Trump hijacked a news cycle dominated by the enthusiasm surrounding Harris' campaign — and redirected attention to his long and controversial record on race. It's a nightmare for Republicans already reeling from the tightening race. They know Trump has a strong chance of beating Harris on the issues — but fear he could alienate swing voters with attacks on her identity. Catch up quick: In a chaotic and combative interview at the National Association of Black Journalists (NABJ) convention, Trump falsely claimed Harris "happened to turn Black" after years of promoting her Indian heritage. "So I don't know, is she Indian or is she Black?" the former president asked. 🖼️ The big picture: Trump's political rise began with a yearslong crusade to delegitimize the nation's first Black president, Barack Obama. Much has changed since 2011, but Trump has never strayed far from the conspiratorial and racist roots of the birther movement. In 2020, Trump said he'd "heard" Harris wasn't born in the U.S., and thus "doesn't meet the requirements" to be vice president. Harris was born in Oakland, Calif. Reality check: Harris is the first Black, South Asian and woman vice president. She's the daughter of an Indian mother and a Jamaican father, and was a member of a historically Black sorority at Howard University, a historically Black college. Like millions of mixed-race Americans, who represent one of the fastest-growing demographics in the country, the vice president identifies with both of her cultures. 👀 What to watch: Trump's remarks on yesterday's panel weren't a one-off. His campaign, for now at least, seems to be leaning in. Trump followed up by posting a 2019 video of Harris discussing her Indian heritage with Indian-American actress Mindy Kaling, labeling Harris a "stone cold phony." At his rally hours later in Harrisburg, Pa., the Trump campaign displayed a Business Insider headline recognizing Harris as the first Indian-American elected to the Senate. Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), Trump's running mate, speaking last night in Glendale, Ariz., said in prepared remarks that Harris is a "total phony who caters to whatever audience is in front of her." Quote phkrause Obstinacy is a barrier to all improvement. - ChL 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 You don't seem to mind racial remarks or actions from Biden, but coming from Trump absolutely intolerable. How many times have you passed judgement on Trump for lying. Biden's lies are well documented, yet no problem. You have had much to say about Trump's morality. Somehow it seems to have escaped you that his daughter speaks of taking showers with her dad. Little slimy. She vouched for the accuracy of the diary. His behavior in public with little girls he does not know is absolutely creepy. The families of the two men are interesting. Somehow Trump and his wife managed to raise what appears to be responsible children into responsible adults. Hunter and his sister are a complete mess. Situational ethics at its finest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 10 minutes ago, phkrause said: Trump's new birtherism Donald Trump's audacious lie about Vice President Harris' race confirmed what many had long suspected: running against a Black woman could summon the former president's worst impulses, Axios' Zachary Basu writes. Why it matters: Amid outrage from Democrats and discomfort from Republicans, Trump is doubling down on his incendiary claim that Harris recently "became a Black person" for political convenience. In one fell swoop, Trump hijacked a news cycle dominated by the enthusiasm surrounding Harris' campaign — and redirected attention to his long and controversial record on race. It's a nightmare for Republicans already reeling from the tightening race. They know Trump has a strong chance of beating Harris on the issues — but fear he could alienate swing voters with attacks on her identity. Catch up quick: In a chaotic and combative interview at the National Association of Black Journalists (NABJ) convention, Trump falsely claimed Harris "happened to turn Black" after years of promoting her Indian heritage. "So I don't know, is she Indian or is she Black?" the former president asked. 🖼️ The big picture: Trump's political rise began with a yearslong crusade to delegitimize the nation's first Black president, Barack Obama. Much has changed since 2011, but Trump has never strayed far from the conspiratorial and racist roots of the birther movement. In 2020, Trump said he'd "heard" Harris wasn't born in the U.S., and thus "doesn't meet the requirements" to be vice president. Harris was born in Oakland, Calif. Reality check: Harris is the first Black, South Asian and woman vice president. She's the daughter of an Indian mother and a Jamaican father, and was a member of a historically Black sorority at Howard University, a historically Black college. Like millions of mixed-race Americans, who represent one of the fastest-growing demographics in the country, the vice president identifies with both of her cultures. 👀 What to watch: Trump's remarks on yesterday's panel weren't a one-off. His campaign, for now at least, seems to be leaning in. Trump followed up by posting a 2019 video of Harris discussing her Indian heritage with Indian-American actress Mindy Kaling, labeling Harris a "stone cold phony." At his rally hours later in Harrisburg, Pa., the Trump campaign displayed a Business Insider headline recognizing Harris as the first Indian-American elected to the Senate. Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), Trump's running mate, speaking last night in Glendale, Ariz., said in prepared remarks that Harris is a "total phony who caters to whatever audience is in front of her." I believe this or something very much like it has already been posted. Totally unnecessary remarks by Trump. I do think Harris will promote whatever will play to the audience she is in front of the best. It is what politicians do. Most in this country took a very dim view of this woman, democrats, independents and republicans. Now suddenly she is without flaw as she walks on water. Actually says more about her supporters than Harris herself. She hasn't changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 2 Author Members Share Posted August 2 Trump insults Harris, makes false claims, quarrels with Black journalists at conference CHICAGO — Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump Wednesday underwent questioning from a National Association of Black Journalists panel in a turbulent session during which he falsely claimed Vice President Kamala Harris “happened to turn Black” during her political career. https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/07/31/trump-insults-harris-makes-false-claims-quarrels-with-black-journalists-at-conference/? Presidential race Former President Donald Trump falsely claimed Wednesday that his 2024 Democratic rival, Vice President Kamala Harris, "turned Black" a few years ago after "all of a sudden, she made a turn" in her identity. "She was always of Indian heritage, and she was only promoting Indian heritage. I didn't know she was Black until a number of years ago, when she happened to turn Black, and now she wants to be known as Black," Trump said at a gathering of Black journalists in Chicago. The vice president later dismissed Trump's controversial remarks as "the same old show." Meanwhile, sources say Harris and her forthcoming running mate will travel to a series of battleground states next week. The details on which states — and when — have not yet been firmed up, but it would mark an important next stage of the campaign. stinsonmarri 1 Quote phkrause Obstinacy is a barrier to all improvement. - ChL 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 13 minutes ago, phkrause said: Trump insults Harris, makes false claims, quarrels with Black journalists at conference CHICAGO — Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump Wednesday underwent questioning from a National Association of Black Journalists panel in a turbulent session during which he falsely claimed Vice President Kamala Harris “happened to turn Black” during her political career. https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/07/31/trump-insults-harris-makes-false-claims-quarrels-with-black-journalists-at-conference/? Yup, man has no filter. It was really a dumb thing to do. Even if all things were equal to say anything that could be taken in a negative light against a black,Indian woman borders on suicidal stinsonmarri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 2 Author Members Share Posted August 2 J.D. Vance Fought Health Protections For Steelworkers And Their Communities By Grey Moran [View in browser] Republican vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance pressured regulators to abandon a proposed federal rule to protect steelworkers and their communities from factories’ carcinogenic emissions, according to documents reviewed by The Lever. The final rules were weakened after Ohio Sen. Vance and other lawmakers intervened. In a November 2023 letter, Vance urged the Environmental Protection Agency to abandon new regulations designed to limit life-shortening toxins spewed from coke plants, which are part of the steel industry supply chain. These chemicals, like benzene, mercury, lead, and arsenic, harm workers and nearby communities by heightening the risk of cancers, inflammatory lung diseases, and other health conditions. “I strongly urge the EPA to abandon the proposed rule to prevent unnecessary harm to domestic coke production and U.S. steel production, which is a critical economic driver of American economic recovery,” wrote Vance in a letter added to the rule’s docket in early July. “If implemented, the proposed rule will reduce coke production in the U.S. at a time when domestic steel production is more important than ever.” Under the Clean Air Act, the EPA is charged with limiting and monitoring hazardous air pollutants, defined as “known or suspected to cause cancer or other serious health effects” from industrial facilities. The new rules, required to be reviewed every eight years, tighten the monitoring of these emissions from coke ovens to strengthen compliance and close loopholes that have enabled plants to skirt emissions standards. “Cancer is the major concern from exposure to coke oven emissions,” the EPA previously warned in a health summary of the plants. “Epidemiologic studies of coke oven workers have reported an increase in cancer of the lung, trachea, bronchus, kidney, prostate,” among others. The agency also noted that chronic exposure to these emissions can result in “conjunctivitis, severe dermatitis, and lesions of the respiratory and digestive systems.” The National Toxicology Program, which informs federal health decisions, lists coke oven emissions as a known human carcinogen. “These emissions are complex mixtures of dusts, vapors, and gasses that typically include PAHs, formaldehyde, acrolein, aliphatic aldehydes, ammonia, carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, phenol, cadmium, arsenic, and mercury,” the program’s experts determined, warning that “workers at coking plants and coal tar production plants, as well as people who live near these plants” are most at risk. In December, Vance sent another letter opposing the rulemaking signed by a bipartisan group of United States senators — Joe Manchin (I-W.Va.), Todd Young (R-Ind.), Mike Braun (R-Ind.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Robert Casey, Jr. (D-Penn.), Shelley Capito (R-W.Va.), and Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) — from states with coke and steel manufacturing plants. This letter also took issue with additional proposed standards for air emissions across the steel industry supply chain, reiterating that it would financially hasten the industry’s decline. The looming shutdown of the steel industry is a common refrain. When emissions rules for coke ovens were first proposed in 1987, environmental advocates told The New York Times that the limits don’t go far enough to protect against an “unacceptably high risk of cancer to people living near the ovens.” In response, “agency officials insisted the standards were the toughest that could be devised without a complete shutdown of the coke ovens.” This EPA asserted that the proposed rules would likely not “adversely affect in a material way the economy, a sector of the economy, [or] productivity.” In fact, the agency’s economic analysis of the rule found the total annual cost of the updates to be small compared to the total revenue of each firm. For instance, the analysis predicted it would cost SunCoke Energy, which operates throughout the Midwest, less than .5 percent of its annual revenue. After Vance’s intervention and subsequent other lobbying efforts, the new standards, which were finalized in May, became weaker than the long-sought protections the EPA first proposed. Vance’s Senate office did not respond to a request for comment. “Everyone Is Sick” Vance grew up in Middletown, Ohio, a town still centered around a sprawling steel mill and retired coke oven in the midst of its own transition. The company, Middletown Works, plans to shift its production to electric furnaces fueled by hydrogen power in coming years. With the support of federal money, the move will drastically cut emissions and no longer require the coal-based substance. When completed in 2029, the plant will be one of the first facilities in the world to adopt this technology, which is currently only in operation in Sweden. But the Middletown plant is an exception to an industry still reliant on coke. The process of producing coke requires heating coal to up to 2,000°F in an oven, emitting a mixture of gas, dust, and vapor laced with highly toxic chemicals. Exposure to these substances can cause debilitating illnesses that can upend the lives of workers and those living nearby. For instance, when a coke plant in Pittsburgh shuttered in 2016, visits to the emergency room for cardiovascular issues dropped by 42 percent the following week, and steadily declined on an average annual basis over the next three years. Not far from Pittsburgh, some residents in the small town of Clairton still suffer in the shadow of Clairton Coke Works, the largest coke-producing plant in the nation, which is owned by U.S. Steel. “I wish you guys would tear that monster down. Everyone is sick in Clairton,” wrote one Pennsylvania resident in a 2023 comment letter to the EPA on its proposed rule. She described relying on oxygen therapy and suffering from emphysema, a chronic pulmonary disease, to such a severe degree that she and her husband decided to sell their home to escape the coke plant’s emissions. The State Of Steel Emissions from these manufacturing plants tend to remain very close to the source, so they “primarily affect communities living very close to a coke oven,” Adrienne Lee, an attorney at Earthjustice, told The Lever. Along with potentially severe health impacts, these emissions reduce the quality of life in steel industry towns, by staining the sides of houses, lowering property values, and making it less pleasant to be outside. “It affects [nearby residents’] enjoyment of their homes, their kids’ experience going to school, their ability to spend time outdoors, do things they enjoy, like gardening or even just sitting on their front porch,” added Lee. But far from a regulatory overhaul, the EPA’s changes this spring reflect a modest improvement in its outdated standards — largely amounting to an increase in monitoring that could prompt better enforcement of emissions violations. The agency had not previously reviewed these standards since 2005, prompting a lawsuit from Earthjustice and other organizations, which forced the recent review. The long-awaited update includes more protective standards for leaking oven doors, the monitoring of benzene emissions near facilities, a limit on the visible smoke from the heat stacks, and new standards for unregulated pollutants, like mercury. It also clarified that plants cannot skirt emissions standards when they are starting up, shutting down, or malfunctioning, a loophole closed in a 2008 court decision. Yet many advocates wish the EPA had kept its original proposition, which required a tighter limit on the visible plumes of particulate matter and mandated more rigorous monitoring of the cancer-causing benzene. The 11 remaining coke plants in the U.S. would have been required to check their perimeters for the chemical — an important change, considering that preliminary monitoring by companies has found this chemical to exceed the recommended limit by two to 14 times in Indiana, Pennsylvania, and Alabama. But after Vance’s intervention, the agency’s final rule took a softer stance on benzene monitoring compared to its earlier proposal, only requiring it for the six plants that have a specific type of coke oven and letting the other five off the hook. Instead of cracking down on the amount of particulate in the air, the final rule raised the threshold for the level of detected benzene in the air before triggering an inspection by the company and then a potential intervention to rein in the emissions. “That action level was changed from three to seven micrograms per cubic meter of benzene,” said Lee. This is an improvement compared to the 2005 standards, which didn’t include fenceline monitoring of benzene. In May, representatives from U.S. Steel, which owns Clairton Coke Works, met with the EPA in order to also express their opposition to the updated rule. The conversation mirrored many of the same talking points from Vance and other senators about the cost of the updates to the industry, according to meeting records. The company specifically asked the EPA to eliminate or weaken their proposed monitoring of emissions for benzene, including by raising the threshold for triggering action — a request the EPA appears to have honored. The United Steelworkers, the union representing workers throughout the steel supply chain, including at coke oven plants, has also pushed back against the rule. “The USW has a long history in fighting to reduce hazardous air pollution in our atmosphere,” Donnie Blatt, Director of United Steelworkers District 1, wrote in a press release supporting Sen. Sherrod Brown’s call for the EPA to revise their new rules.“The proposed amendments would result in significant costs and jeopardize good paying jobs in local economies throughout the U.S. The EPA should further consider revising these amendments responsibly to allow US Steel Companies to compete globally and still achieve their desired goals.” The EPA did not respond to a request for comment about why it weakened its proposed standards. The agency’s economic analysis of the proposed rule determined that fenceline monitoring of benzene, which tracks pollutant levels surrounding the perimeter of a plant, would annually cost about $116,000 per facility — a fraction of the profits of the multibillion-dollar U.S. steel industry, the fourth largest producer of steel in the world. Of the six companies that operate coke ovens in the country, the EPA notes that “four are publicly-traded companies that reported revenue in 2021 greater than $1 billion.” Vance Steps In Previously, it was reported that the “first effort by members of Congress to convince the EPA to change its course came last December.” However, the November letter from Vance preceded these efforts by a month. The senator’s effort to undermine these environmental rules lends insight into how he may lead as a Vice President, extending Trump’s legacy of rolling back over 125 environmental protections for the sake of pollutive industries. The senator did not appear to publicize this intervention with the agency’s rulemaking process, unlike many of his other letters to agency heads and corporations that he routinely shares as official press releases. For instance, just a few weeks prior to asking the EPA to loosen emissions safeguards, he wrote another letter to the agency calling for indoor air testing in East Palestine, Ohio — a community similar to the steel industry towns poisoned by an industry with limited federal oversight. But he shared this letter in a press release, which was widely circulated in the media. On other occasions, Vance has worked behind the scenes to stymie regulation that he publicly claims to support. After the rail disaster in East Palestine, Vance co-authored the Railway Safety Act, designed to quickly improve the poor rail conditions that contributed to the disaster in his home state. But three months later, The Lever exposed that Vance had since quietly amended his own legislation to delay the safety reforms at the request of rail and chemical industry lobbyists. The senator did not elaborate on why U.S. steel production is “more important than ever,” as he claimed in his letter. However, he has previously stated that it is necessary for national security and “America’s defense industrial base,” referring to the industrial complex behind the research and development of military weapons systems. While backing continued military aid to Israel as it waged its brutal assault on Gaza, the senator introduced an act to develop a national strategy for ramping up domestic weapons manufacturing, for which steel is essential. “America’s military stockpiles are dangerously low,” said Vance, in a March press release on the proposed strategy. “We’re woefully unprepared for any type of major conflict. This legislation would recruit industry experts to identify the shortfalls of our military industrial base and outline necessary regulatory reforms to get defense production back on track.” “The number of weapons systems that we need, that Ukraine needs, that Taiwan needs, that Israel needs, and we can’t do all of these things at once,” he told CNN’s Jake Tapper in April. “We’re stretched way too thin.” For months, Vance has positioned himself as an ally to workers at U.S. Steel, publicly fighting the sale of the company by its shareholders to a Japanese competitor, Nippon Steel. “I will do everything in my power to protect the future of our nation’s security, industry, and workers,” the senator wrote in a press release decrying the company’s sale in late 2023. But when it comes to weakening coke oven emissions standards, U.S. Steel and Vance have agreed. The senator has been commonly criticized for publicly extolling his commitment to blue-collar workers, while downplaying his support of major industries at the expense of workers. “The trouble is that fake economic populism worked for Trump, and Vance is a more convincing, less psychotic version of Trump,” Robert Kuttner, a political journalist and co-founder of The American Prospect, warned in 2023. “If Democrats are to win the next round, they need to be more forceful defenders of working people than J.D. Vance.” Editor's Note: The EPA provided a written statement after publication. They said after considering public comments, they revised their modeling procedures "to more appropriately assess the maximum concentrations from irregular-shaped facility properties." This was their rationale to explain why they raised the threshold for action levels from 3mg/m3 to 7 mg/m3 of benzene. They also noted that they considered comments on the opacity levels of emissions from heat stacks. stinsonmarri 1 Quote phkrause Obstinacy is a barrier to all improvement. - ChL 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 7 hours ago, bonnie1962 said: Your condescending attitude at times does get a little tiresome. I never said one word that would give you the idea that I felt "incest and sexual acts do not give a man or the government the right to keep a woman from aborting an unwanted child due to sin". Most abortions are for convenience. If you feel that is the way it should be and is the right course for the government to okay say so. Stop hiding behind the infrequent reasons you keep bringing up. Those reasons had and have nothing to do with Roe vs Wade. They are a smoke screen for those that do not Bonnie, I cannot read your mind, nor can you read mine. I told you where I stand because of sin and abortion. Please stop saying I am condescending. That is my stand. You said what you feel. Don't you think I have a right to tell you where I stand? We differ, and you said you feel, and I said I stand. I have been nothing but kind and humble. I pray that you will do the same. This is a discussion, and we both have a right to express what and why we choose to believe. I give the Bible Scriptures where I stand! Again, stop looking for negativity when it is not there! Blessings! phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 6 hours ago, bonnie1962 said: I believe this or something very much like it has already been posted. Totally unnecessary remarks by Trump. I do think Harris will promote whatever will play to the audience she is in front of the best. It is what politicians do. Most in this country took a very dim view of this woman, democrats, independents and republicans. Now suddenly she is without flaw as she walks on water. Actually says more about her supporters than Harris herself. She hasn't changed It was unnecessary for him to say it from the beginning, just like I feel what you said was unkind about Ms. Harris! Who was the most? I never heard anyone's names, just some of the media speaking out without facts! MSNBC was torn, with some speaking up for her and others telling people without facts what they were supposed to be saying. Did you get any names? If you did, can you tell me? phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 8 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said: It was unnecessary for him to say it from the beginning, just like I feel what you said was unkind about Ms. Harris! Who was the most? I never heard anyone's names, just some of the media speaking out without facts! MSNBC was torn, with some speaking up for her and others telling people without facts what they were supposed to be saying. Did you get any names? If you did, can you tell me? I suppose I could have used the kind words you used for Vance. I am sure you would find that objectionable as well. That seems to hold true for you. I watched the segment on MSNBC with Heritage. Nothing like you claim was said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: Bonnie, I cannot read your mind, nor can you read mine. I told you where I stand because of sin and abortion. Please stop saying I am condescending. That is my stand. You said what you feel. Don't you think I have a right to tell you where I stand? We differ, and you said you feel, and I said I stand. I have been nothing but kind and humble. I pray that you will do the same. This is a discussion, and we both have a right to express what and why we choose to believe. I give the Bible Scriptures where I stand! Again, stop looking for negativity when it is not there! Blessings! Humility is a strange thing. As a rule, once you discover you have it you lose it. Humility is like a rare flower — put it on display and it instantly wilts and loses its fragrance! Humility is one character trait that can never come out of the closest; it is not something to announce from the rooftop…No, humility is not something to be announced. For then, if you can imagine the irony of this, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: It was unnecessary for him to say it from the beginning, just like I feel what you said was unkind about Ms. Harris! Who was the most? I never heard anyone's names, just some of the media speaking out without facts! MSNBC was torn, with some speaking up for her and others telling people without facts what they were supposed to be saying. Did you get any names? If you did, can you tell me? Harris has been a joke as VP from the beginning. Listening to her interviews and rambling speeches tells you all you need to know. She has done nothing to be so enthused about. Other than she was viewed as slightly better in that she was at least younger than Biden and a woman. Her sudden rise is not built on anything solid. I would think most would recognize that. It says more about a voting public that acts like a giddy teenager that finally landed the football captain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 4 hours ago, bonnie1962 said: Harris has been a joke as VP from the beginning. Listening to her interviews and rambling speeches tells you all you need to know. She has done nothing to be so enthused about. Other than she was viewed as slightly better in that she was at least younger than Biden and a woman. Her sudden rise is not built on anything solid. I would think most would recognize that. It says more about a voting public that acts like a giddy teenager that finally landed the football captain Bonnie, that is what you see, and the crowds we both see appear to prove you wrong! Like I have said I look at everything from a Biblical point. The kingdoms in the past as I stated, specifically pointing to Babylon learned that this is all about THE MESSIAH Kingdom hitting the foot of the statue and we are close to that happening. Have a bless day! phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 4 hours ago, bonnie1962 said: Harris has been a joke as VP from the beginning. Listening to her interviews and rambling speeches tells you all you need to know. She has done nothing to be so enthused about. Other than she was viewed as slightly better in that she was at least younger than Biden and a woman. Her sudden rise is not built on anything solid. I would think most would recognize that. It says more about a voting public that acts like a giddy teenager that finally landed the football captain It is all about prophecy where I stand. Your choice and mine choice differ! Blessing! phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 6 hours ago, bonnie1962 said: I suppose I could have used the kind words you used for Vance. I am sure you would find that objectionable as well. That seems to hold true for you. I watched the segment on MSNBC with Heritage. Nothing like you claim was said Did I say anything about Vance that he did not say? We differ again if you watched the program and ard what he said! I will stand by what I heard him say; he made himself very clear! Then Trump denied the Project. So, you and I are at a standstill! I am not here to dispute with you. I have explained that to you many times. Neither am I here to judge your decision. You asked me questions, and I gave you my answers. I will continue to pray for you and ask you to pray for me! Blessings! phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 5 hours ago, bonnie1962 said: Humility is a strange thing. As a rule, once you discover you have it you lose it. Humility is like a rare flower — put it on display and it instantly wilts and loses its fragrance! Humility is one character trait that can never come out of the closest; it is not something to announce from the rooftop…No, humility is not something to be announced. For then, if you can imagine the irony of this, That is someone's thought! I would like to introduce them to YAHSHUA by reading Matthew Chapter Five! He is THE CREATOR, and I accept HIS Word on humility! Have a blessed day! phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 23 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said: That is someone's thought! I would like to introduce them to YAHSHUA by reading Matthew Chapter Five! He is THE CREATOR, and I accept HIS Word on humility! Have a blessed day! Actually I have never found anywhere that Christ recommended claiming how humble you were to in dealings with someone. A humble person is hard to miss. A humble person has no need to describe himself/herself as being humble. They just are. What Christ is describing is a manner of personal behavior, He is not describing what you should be saying to describe yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 6 hours ago, bonnie1962 said: I suppose I could have used the kind words you used for Vance. I am sure you would find that objectionable as well. That seems to hold true for you. I watched the segment on MSNBC with Heritage. Nothing like you claim was said I don't find this particularly kind. I think if I were to call you two faced you would agree that is not kind. Because you believe something is factual does not make name calling kind Trump is not happy with two-face Vance, who supported Project 2025! The Heritage got on their proud horse and, like Satan, boasting will make you fall like Humpty Dumpty! It came out too soon and showed exactly what they were up to! They showed that they wanted to force people to serve their god, Satan! It doesn't have to be a Sunday law; just putting up the Commandments will hit other religions who are not so-called Christians. Then the Heritage President said there won't be a blood bath if you obey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 53 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said: It is all about prophecy where I stand. Your choice and mine choice differ! Blessing! Please show me the prophecy that spells out the stepping out of the race by Biden and Harris becoming the nominee. Claims like that "from people in the know" are always suspect. Most of us have a general understanding of last day events, and regardless of how many times you tell everyone of your area's of expertise, you are lacking the same knowledge most of us are. Unless of course you can take what you are saying forward and educate us how it will turn out under a President Harris I stopped having much faith in anyone that had an exaggerated opinion of their own knowledge in end time events. 1965 we lost or home in a tornado, complete loss. One after another hit that night. Didn't take long for those that saw the end in every action, tragedy every death . Christs return was imminent, over half a century later, some of those that were talking prophecy and doom then are still doing so. You simply cant pin prophecy On Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie1962 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 56 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said: Did I say anything about Vance that he did not say? We differ again if you watched the program and ard what he said! I will stand by what I heard him say; he made himself very clear! Then Trump denied the Project. So, you and I are at a standstill! I am not here to dispute with you. I have explained that to you many times. Neither am I here to judge your decision. You asked me questions, and I gave you my answers. I will continue to pray for you and ask you to pray for me! Blessings! You never answered the question and I suspect that you can't. Can you show me the proof of the accusations you are making Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 6 minutes ago, bonnie1962 said: I don't find this particularly kind. I think if I were to call you two faced you would agree that is not kind. Because you believe something is factual does not make name calling kind I didn't call him a name; I said what he had done. He was being two-faced! Could you look at what I have said before and will say it very clearly? This world has become just like the Bible said! It is more than politics, and you and I know it! There is a war going on, and we must choose a side. It's a decision we all need to make. You were upset when I spoke about Nebuchadnezzar, and I really do not see why. THE STONE that hit the feet of the image you know was THE MESSIAH! I look at sin, and it shows up according to the Bible. Since kingdoms began, starting with Nimrod, YAHWEH has shown us clearly what we need to for is sin. History has repeated itself, and when it repeats, sin becomes worse. As I have told you before, I have known Trump for a long time. He has not changed! He has not told the truth; he is racist, and there is more. Vance also has shown himself to be untruthful. We are in the last days, and our church, the Adventist church, is falling. People have to make a choice. What I see is the same problem with Kenaan and Israel. They both failed and broke their Covenant with YAHWEH! Israel as a people they are gone. (Deut Twenty-Eight). Have we not learned from them in the Bible? Earlier, I wanted to fight, but what did it serve? What profits a person to gain the world and then lose his soul? I am not going to exchange with you and my soul! I am going to allow THE HOLY SPIRIT to lead me. You can call me anything you want or try to cover up these two men's sinful character, then that is on you! I will not; I will see it on a spiritual base. That's it! You can write and throw out our differences, and I will call on THE HOLY SPIRIT. So, continue, and I will point to salvation because it is free! Blessings phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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