Neil D Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 What's that sound For those of you that might need a refresher course in the 60's movement....updated for 2006 Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Naomi Posted October 26, 2006 Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2006 Neil, I wish I could say this was before my time but that was one of my "inspirational" songs of the 60ties. No, on second thought, I loved the mid to late 60ties! And, if you listen to the words it makes you want to grab your sign ! Thanks for sharing ... really enjoy The Tube! Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planey Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Very impressive, Neil. Kristin has chosen and juxtaposed her images skillfully and wisely. Interesting to note that though the song was written during the Vietnam experience, the current images formed an excellent fit with the lyrics. Very sad that we have obviously not learned anything by forty years experience... Just an aside: Buffalo Springfield were a top group, what with Neil Young, Stephen Stills, Richie Furay and Jim Messina. I loved them then and still drag out the albums occasionally today. Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 It is missing a few things. I didn't see any militant islamics cutting off heads. No burnt contractors' bodies hanging from bridges. No Twin Towers falling down. No oil wells on fire. No little girls getting their brains blown out because they learned how to read. No pics of Saddam's boys cutting out people's tongues or his army invadeing Kuwait. I saw pictures of President Bush but not one of Ossama bin Ladan. That is what is known as anti-American propaganda. I am not a top. Don't spin me. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Naomi Posted October 27, 2006 Administrators Share Posted October 27, 2006 Quote: I am not a top. Don't spin me. Shane, wouldn't dare spin you ... sure, there are differences but there are also simular issues. At least when our boys come home today they can walk through the streets without being assulted by John Q Public. There were many equally horrid things which happend in the jungles of Vietnam which have perhaps been forgotten. Some so bad they were seldom discussed in mixed company at the time. Today, it is probably not even socially acceptable to mention in today's society ... perhaps for the best ... of course some folks will never be able to forget! Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 One of my fav songs along with Signs by Five Man Electric Band. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Naomi Posted October 28, 2006 Administrators Share Posted October 28, 2006 Also liked the song, "Can't Get No Satisfaction" Anyone remember it? Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 I kind of like Amazing Grace. Anyone remember that one? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 28, 2006 Author Share Posted October 28, 2006 That is what is known as anti-American propaganda. I am not a top. Don't spin me. It wasn't an attempt to spin, Shane...it was an attempt to encourage peace.... .....something that you consistantly miss... Your post shows that you are more interested in revenge, patriotic fuvor, and the like....Something the devil uses all to often ......Tis a shame that you can not be at peace Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Quote: it was an attempt to encourage peace.... OK, please inform us who put the video together. Show us they have no political agenda. Please show they are working to discourage radical islamics to stop blowing up buses and cutting people's heads off. I don't know who put it together. I can only judge the fruits and the fruits appear very anti-American. I would have to see some strong evidence to be convinced otherwise. If it is true that they are trying to encourage peace, they are doing a lousey job of it. The video showed none of the horrors of jihad which is what started this conflict we are in. Quote: our post shows that you are more interested in revenge, patriotic fuvor, and the like.... Fair and balanced is what I call it. Others call it straight talk - no curves, no spin. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 28, 2006 Author Share Posted October 28, 2006 Quote: OK, please inform us who put the video together. Show us they have no political agenda. Please show they are working to discourage radical islamics to stop blowing up buses and cutting people's heads off. Um, no Shane. The video is talking about OUR behavior...our response to evil. Just because someone hits you, doesn't mean that you HAVE to hit them back. To do so automatically puts you on the same level as they are. And apparently they are despirate enough to hit you. We [The US] have already responded in what we think is an appropriate way of dealing with thier behavior. Kill them.... So, why do we have to kill them? Instead, we need to consider why they lashed out at us...Can we supply their need such that they will NOT strike out at us? Of course, I know your response already. That they hate us, without reason. They are jealous of us and our economic wealth and our customs and lifestyles. <-that is your reasoning, or at least has been. What bothers me, if this were true, is why dont other muslims [or name another group with the same background] attack us as well. Why don't the Turks or the Armenians, or the French or the Mexicans or the Brazilians or the Africans attack us to the same degree as what we are seeing in the Middle East? I don't think that that is the case...There is a reason that they hate us and it is not blind. It is NOT being brought to the airwaves so that we can hear it, analyse it, interprete it and adjust our behavior such that we can win them back as friends. Quote: I don't know who put it together. I can only judge the fruits and the fruits appear very anti-American. That's just it..YOU DON"T KNOW who put it together. YOU DONT KNOW and you have to make assumptions. You know what they say about making assumptions, don'tcha? Quote: Fair and balanced is what I call it. Others call it straight talk - no curves, no spin. Based upon what, Shane? A reaction to something that you don't understand, and don't have any facts for? Based upon some assumptions that you THINK/ASSUME are correct? You don't know the person who made this video, nor do you know where they are living, IF they are living, how old they are, what thier political views are, what the video was intended for, nor do you know what they are attempting to say with this video..... I have been told by family members that when I make these type of assumptions, that I would be considered just plain stupid...and by others, that what came out of MY mouth would be considered as spin....Wouldn't you say that would be fair, that is, to speak before you have all the facts before you? I think that this is what you did...speak before you had all the facts from the author of the video... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Quote: Just because someone hits you, doesn't mean that you HAVE to hit them back. They hit us in Beruit and we left running. They tried to blow up the WTC in '92, they blew up our embassies in Africa and the USS Cole. Turning the other cheek was only encouraging them to continue hitting us. 9/11 was the oak tree that broke the camel's back. We could not continue to look the other way. Our government has an obligation to protect its citizens. Quote: we need to consider why they lashed out at us... They are religious fanatics! They declared jihad. Someone needs to go sing "what's that sound" to them. They drew first blood. Quote: Why don't the Turks or the Armenians, or the French or the Mexicans or the Brazilians or the Africans attack us to the same degree as what we are seeing in the Middle East? It is fundamental Islam that has declared jihad and not just against the US and Israel. They are even killing fellow muslims. Quote: There is a reason that they hate us Yes, they are religious fanatics and cannot grasp tolerance. Quote: YOU DON"T KNOW who put it together. I am still waiting on that information... Quote: YOU DONT KNOW and you have to make assumptions. I am making assesments based on their fruit. How can they try and show the horrors of war and not show anything the radical Islamics have done? Especially when the war crimes done by the jihadists are greater crimes than those done by the coalition of the willing? It appears those that made the video were not just trying to show the horrors of war but just trying to portrait the US in a bad light. Shame, shame, shame on them. That is very naughty. They need to sit in the corner for a half hour and think about what they have done. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 28, 2006 Author Share Posted October 28, 2006 Quote: They hit us in Beruit and we left running. They tried to blow up the WTC in '92, they blew up our embassies in Africa and the USS Cole. Turning the other cheek was only encouraging them to continue hitting us. Why did they hit us in the first place, Shane? To say that- Quote: They are religious fanatics! They declared jihad is not a reason...Why did they declare a jihad, if they declared one? What was the reason behind it? Go a bit deeper, Shane, than just 'they hate us' reply. Quote: It is fundamental Islam that has declared jihad... Why, Shane? A culture does not declare holy war without a good reason...They know that many of thier own will not come home...What did we do such that they need to declare a holy war? Quote: Yes, they are religious fanatics and cannot grasp tolerance. And we go to war because of ignorance and being lead around by bigoted political leaders who don't know how to do effective diplomacy? Excuse me, ignoramous. But you still have not explained why basic fundamental Islamic culture declares a holy war on a America? Why are we protrayed as the great Satan? Quote: I am making assesments based on their fruit. No you are not. You are making assumptions based upon your American/Mexican lifestyle. You are making assumptions based upon the Drudge report, Haney and Colms show, and O'Reily Show. You are making assumptions where Fox News feeds you what they think you ought to know. But you have missed the most basic of information...you don't know why that culture has declared war on you....And you have a right to be scared....because your leaders are just as smart as you. Isn't that reasurring? Quote: How can they try and show the horrors of war and not show anything the radical Islamics have done? Especially when the war crimes done by the jihadists are greater crimes than those done by the coalition of the willing? It appears those that made the video were not just trying to show the horrors of war but just trying to portrait the US in a bad light. Someone here once said that war needs to be as dirty and mean as possible....Seems to me that the Jihadists know that very same principle....And you call it "crimes"... When one country or even a person is hit by another, the injured party has been empowered to choose....how to respond...If you respond in kind, what point have you truely proven? That you can hit like they can? What have you gained? One who is empowered to choose can truely exercise power...If one is empowered to respond to a threat, then that person had better make sure that the response is one that will truely empower both partys to thier benefit. Our response should have been surgical strikes against various targets...[the stick] along with diplomatic incentives that would remove the need from the eyes of the aggressor [carrot]. It would have been far less costly with far less curruption.... Oh, and as for not knowing who put the video together...Unless you are willling to search the net, you are not gonna know...at this time. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Guy Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Shane, some folks simply don't get it. I wonder if anyone attempted to do a YouTube video to 'encourage peace' for the Muslims and try to contact the Islamic extremists with that message. They are continually getting a free pass by the wimpering liberals, not held to any account for the atrocities they continually commit. I will NEVER sit and accept the treatment we are receiving from those satanic hoodlums. In our imperfect attempt to keep the peace in this world, our sins can never be compared to theirs. We have a completely different motive for our actions than they do for theirs. We are not excused for our misdeeds, and justice needs to be pronounced on our breaking of the law, but they have no redeeming actions and justice should be pronounced upon them without apology. We do not need to understand them. We need to terminate them before we lose any more Americans. The video of dead and injured just makes my resolve to shut these guys down even stronger. Thanks for sharing the video, Neil. I am now more convicted in my decision to vote for Hawks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 28, 2006 Author Share Posted October 28, 2006 Quote: not held to any account for the atrocities they continually commit. Why do they feel the need to commit these attrocities???? You can not give a reason for this culture declaring a jihad on us, can you? What reason is there? All you have done is said Quote: We need to terminate them before we lose any more Americans which is the same thing they are doing to us...It's the same principle. All this does is escalate the war. Let's one up them and they one up us untill there is no one left to one up. What rational reason are you really fighting this war? Because they did bad things to us? Why did they do those bad things??? Remember, a culture doesnt go against another culture without good reason. What is that reason, Keyguy? If you can not give an answer, you can not win the war....never. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Quote: Why did they declare a jihad, if they declared one? What was the reason behind it? Go a bit deeper, Shane, than just 'they hate us' reply. When a child asks his or her dad a question, no matter how the dad answers the child always comes back with why. Child: Why is it raining? Dad: Because there are cloads in the sky. Child: Why are there cloads in the sky? Dad: Because the water evaporated. Child: Why did the water evaporate? Dad: Because that is part of the water cycle? Child: Why is it part of the water cycle? Dad: Because that is how God created it. Child: Why did God create it that way? Q: Why did radical islamics declare jihad on the west? A: Because they are fanatics Q: Why are they fanatics? A: Because they hate us. Q: Why do they hate us? A: Because we are different than them. Now I have a question: How long do we play this game? Quote: What did we do such that they need to declare a holy war? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. If we had, the entire mulim world would be at war with us, not just the fringe radicals. These radicals have always been at war with their neighbors. As technology makes the world smaller, they are able to terrorize more than just their immediate neighbors. Quote: But you still have not explained why basic fundamental Islamic culture declares a holy war on a America? Basic fundamental Islam has not declared jihad. The radical extreamists have. Quote: You are making assumptions based upon the Drudge report, Haney and Colms show, and O'Reily Show. Don't forget NPR, which I listen to in the morning, PBS' Jim Lerher and NBC's Meet The Press' Tim Russert. Truth be known, when I watch Hanity and Colms it is to get Colms' prespective. I can only take Sean Hanity in small doses. Quote: Someone here once said that war needs to be as dirty and mean as possible That wasn't me. I support Bush's effort to use technology to fight a more humane war. Quote: Our response should have been surgical strikes against various targets...[the stick] along with diplomatic incentives that would remove the need from the eyes of the aggressor [carrot]. That is what Reagon and Clinton both did and the result was 9/11. That was one failed policy. Now Bush is using a different policy. It may end of being a failed policy too. Let's hope not. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 Quote: When a child asks his or her dad a question, no matter how the dad answers the child always comes back with why. I absolutely resent that I am a child asking you, the father why...You are as insulting as you are dense. Quote: Q: Why do they hate us?A: Because we are different than them. Now I have a question: How long do we play this game? Until you answer in an adult manor and say those few words that allow you to remove the 'bigot' mask. Remember, Shane, a culture will not go to war without weighing the costs. Even a fundelmentalist culture like fundementalist Islam. And YOU DON"T KNOW THE CULTURE, do you, Shane?--And because you don't know the culture, you are striking out after they have struck you. You are at the same level of animalistic behavior that they are in. You are just as bad as they are. You are no different. Quote: Nothing. Absolutely nothing. If we had, the entire mulim world would be at war with us, not just the fringe radicals. Are you absolutely sure, Shane? Absolutely sure? Have you asked one, Shane? Don't you think that they are fighting for thier way of life, just like you are fighting for yours? Quote: That wasn't me. I support Bush's effort to use technology to fight a more humane war. I know it. The point was that our tit is to be superior to thier tat. That is the type of war that we are fighting. An esculating war. One that makes the other side hurt more such that he will surrender before we do. Quote: That is what Reagon and Clinton both did and the result was 9/11. That was one failed policy. Now Bush is using a different policy. It may end of being a failed policy too. Let's hope not. A failed policy that entails nearly 3000 of our men and women in service and over 100,000 in civilian casualties, and a PR that is in shambles, with insurgents rising up to attack us and not the arabs foriegners. Reagan and Clinton's policies were not as destructive as that. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I did say: Quote: Now I have a question:How long do we play this game? So, now it is my turn to play the "child" and I don't resent anyone. That makes my soul sick. I had muslim friends all through college but now I guess I can only claim to have muslim aquaitances. However if any of them were members of the radical, fringe, hate-driven, terrorist sects they never made it known to me. A couple of them I was quite close to and they seemed to be very peaceful people that impressed me with their faith. Asking why these fringe, radical groups want jihad is like asking why Adventists try to get people to quit eating meat. Jihad is part of their religion like vegetarianism is part of ours. Regardless what anyone thinks of President Bush, we should all hope and pray for success in Iraq. Even if we don't think it will happen, we should be hoping and praying it does. A peaceful, democratic Iraq would be a very good outcome. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 So, what you are telling me is that you are aquainted with AMERICAN muslims but you have lost contact with them and you don't know what a current muslim is thinking.... Again, YOU DON"T KNOW...you are assuming based upon your american view points.... And you can't tell me why THEY are fighting us except that they, as a culture, hate us.... You have no clue why we are fighting them...Just like the President... that is why we have videos like these, Shane...It's called THINKING....and it makes one think, if one is open to it. Thankyou for your prejudiced viewpoints...While I don't agree with them, I can clearly see where you are coming from... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted October 29, 2006 Members Share Posted October 29, 2006 Neil I'm not sure that there is answer or a good answer to why a very small percentage of muslims hate us. But I would say the main reason is ever since Abraham decided to do gods work for him. Since than the family of Isisah and the family of Ishmael have hated each other. So one of the reasons the US is hated so much is there policy of backing the state of Israel. And I believe that that is a good policy. But the other reason and the bigger of the two would be the US's pitiful foreign policy with most of the middle east countries. I believe our foriegn policy with most countries is pretty wishing washing, depending which party is in the whitehouse. I'm neither a democrat or a republican, I don't care for either party. But I will say that I believed that Bush was the man that I wouldv'e wanted in the whitehouse and not gore. I was not for going in to Iraq, or war for that matter, but when we did go in I was really hoping that we would go in and do the job like when we did the job the first time back in 90. But now we're in the same stupid boat like vietnam, with no direction. pkrause Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Excuse me for a moment [scratches head] My Muslim friends in college were not American. One was from India and the other was from Jordan. We went to school together and also worked at the same restuarant together. So we got to know each other quite well. And me being me,,, I had to ask a lot of questions about their faith and share mine with them. The Muslims I am currently aquainted with probbally are American Muslims, although I am not sure that makes them any less Muslim. Yet something does need to be clear. We are not at war with an entire culture. Radical, terroristic sects are only a small percentage of Islam although about 30% of Islams as a whole are sympathatic to them. However even that 30% number doesn't represent the entire culture. It obviously only represents 30% of it. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 Quote: Neil I'm not sure that there is answer or a good answer to why a very small percentage of muslims hate us. But I would say the main reason is ever since Abraham decided to do gods work for him. Since than the family of Isisah and the family of Ishmael have hated each Are you implying that since that story is in the bible, and states that they hate each other, that it is a 'God ordained" hatred? Because if you are, then I would suggest that you are reading far more into the stories than what is suggested. Of course, you just might be forgetting that Ishmael and Jacob forgave each other, although they did not live in the same vacinity... Quote: So one of the reasons the US is hated so much is there policy of backing the state of Israel. And I believe that that is a good policy. That is just a big bit of spin....Apathy toward the US, yeah, there that..Dislike, ok, I can live with that...Active hatred??? Sorry, don't quite buy it. I think the situation in those places are a bit more complicated than that.... Quote: I believe our foriegn policy with most countries is pretty wishing washing, depending which party is in the whitehouse Do you think that it's because we are dependant upon Middle Eastern Oil???? I think so....So no matter what party is in the WH, there will be vacilitating policys depending upon the mood of the people and who was voted in. What needs to happen is that our goverment needs to tax oil and gassoline such that the consumer crys fowl and energy entrapanuers will create the solar, wind, and hydro power supplies, along with goverement credits and rebates to encourage these start ups. ONces established, in 10-20 years, take them off and begin taxing them again... GET US OFF OF FORIEGN OIL. Quote: But I will say that I believed that Bush was the man that I wouldv'e wanted in the whitehouse and not gore. That is the problem...you wanted a dummy for a president and not some one smart, like Gore...Intellectuals dont have the charisma that goof offs have. But intellectuals know how to get you out of and prevent problems like 9/11 without the loss of America's PR. Quote: I was not for going in to Iraq, or war for that matter, but when we did go in I was really hoping that we would go in and do the job like when we did the job the first time back in 90. But now we're in the same stupid boat like vietnam, with no direction. That's because a goof off is president. An Intellectual would know how or know who to turn to that knows how to do the job that needs to be done....But instead, you guys voted for a goof off who likes to parTEY.... Bush the party animal, whose drinking exploits made headlines, and who questionable Airforce tour should have been fairly obvious, or Gore, the intellectual who was focused, who knew the nuiances and complexities of the varioust problems that faced us. You would think that the American people forgot to go to high school. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 OK, now let's try the another version. There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I got to beware I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down There's battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody's wrong Young people speaking their minds Getting so much resistance from behind I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down What a field-day for the heat A thousand people in the street Singing songs and carrying signs Mostly say, hooray for our side It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid You step out of line, the man come and take you away We better stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, now, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Naomi Posted October 29, 2006 Administrators Share Posted October 29, 2006 Good Shane ... did you put it together? Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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