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🎧 Woodward relives Trump convos


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MSNBC's Ari Melber took a stab at a "second draft of history" with a special edition of his 6 p.m. ET show, airing extensive excerpts of Bob Woodward's 20 (!) interviews with then-President Trump.

Why it matters: With Trump running again, his botched handling of COVID will be newly scrutinized.

Woodward says it's the first time in 50+ years of reporting that he has disclosed raw interviews.

  • We hear Trump blurt "No!" when Woodward asks him — in March 2020 — if there had been a moment in the last two months when he said: "Ah! This is the leadership test of a lifetime."

💡 Woodward told Melber: "[T]he great lesson of government is not only do you have to listen to people, but you have to take them seriously. You have to understand their advice."

  • "I think the independent counsel is going to expand his investigation — he's going to make it more serious," Woodward added. "And so we're going to have a debate about the law and the responsibility. I mean, this is what presidential elections are about: Who is this person? ... There it is."

Trump is suing Woodward over "The Trump Tapes," arguing the author didn't have permission to publish the audio. Woodward disputes that.

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By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1}
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