news Posted March 15, 2024 Posted March 15, 2024 Among Seventh-day Adventists, the quick and dirty solution to the identity of Michael in the Bible is that Michael is the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, who leads the cosmic conflict against Satan (SDABC, 7:809, cf. 3SG 38; DA 99; Appendix to PP 761). Adventists tend to take their lead from Ellen G. White, who in Desire […] The post The Identity of Michael in Revelation 12 appeared first on Jon Paulien's Blog. View the full article phkrause 1 Quote
Gustave Posted October 24 Posted October 24 18 hours ago, SeventhSaturn said: Micheal and his angels fought against Satan and his angels. Micheal is clearly an angelic non fallen being. He should be read simply as the sane angel of death who dispatched the firstborn of Egypt in the last exodus plague and the same angel who slew Herod Agrippa. Look here, he’s not the incarnation of Christ as you say, and he’s not Titus either. It’s an Angel. I try to avoid looking too deeply into that, as is spiritualism, but there’s an Angel who probably simply replaced Lucifer as head of the choir after the fall. You said something here I can agree with. Michael the archangel is definitely not the pre-Incarnate Christ. Quote
Theophilus Posted October 24 Posted October 24 The Fall of Jericho 13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?” 14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell face down to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord[a] have for his servant?” 15 The commander of the Lord’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so. In Seventh-day Adventist teaching (and in several early Protestant writers), Michael is not viewed as a created angel, but rather as a title for Christ in His role as Commander of the heavenly hosts. Reasons include: Command over angels: Revelation 12 shows Michael commanding His angels, paralleling texts where Christ commands angels (Matthew 13:41; 24:31; 25:31). Resurrection authority: In Daniel 12:1–2, when Michael stands up, “many that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake.” Resurrection power elsewhere belongs to Christ alone (John 5:28-29). Voice of the Archangel: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 says that “the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with the voice of the archangel.” The Lord Himself (Jesus) speaks with the archangel’s voice, suggesting they are the same. Meaning of His name: “Who is like God?” fits perfectly with Christ, the divine Son of God, rather than a created being. Thus, Michael is seen as a military title for Christ—Jesus in His pre-incarnate and cosmic role as Leader of heaven’s armies. Thanks, Chat. Quote
Gustave Posted October 25 Posted October 25 The name Michael is a rhetorical question of "who is like God?" Correct answer = NO ONE! Changing the meaning of the name Michael by dropping the question mark defaults into this. Question: Who is like God? Adventist Denominations answer question this by claiming Jesus is "LIKE GOD", mind you He's not really God because He could have eternally ceased to exist but The Father would still be around. This isn't not the Trinitarian God, not by a long shot. The Christadelphians, Jehovah's Witnesses, WWCOG and SDA's believe Jesus is "like God" - these groups don't recognize the question mark after the rhetorical question. Quote
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