Adventist rep. participates in Moon crowning cerem

[Kelly Youngberg]

Worth your time to read... Adventist Rep. participates in Moon crowning ceremony.

I'd heard about this event, but had no idea that one of our own was involved.

[Nicodema]

This is downright appalling ...

Tear down the cross

The cross of Jesus Christ is central to our salvation! It is only through His death for us, and as us, and thus our death IN Him, that we may be partakers of His divine nature and look forward to the glorious hope of the resurrection life here and hereafter.

I cannot help but draw a parallel between this Moonie "trade the cross for a crown" business and the concept of "aeonics" -- as proposed by Aleister Crowley particularly -- in which it is declared that we are now in a "new aeon" (commencing 1904 c.e.) in which there is a new spiritual formula, that of the "crowned and conquering child", which supplants the "old aeon" formula (now presumed obsolete) of the "dying and resurrected godform". This was one of the first things to come to my mind as I learned about this Moon crowning and the "chuck out the cross" ceremony.

[Nicodema]

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Moon's claim that he is the messiah, "King of Peace" and "Father" is delusional. Why it hasn't become a scandal for theologically conservative preachers who never miss an opportunity to denounce "heresies" from the left should be a source of shame for the Rev. Jerry Falwell on down.

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Indeed. Hear, hear.

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Instead of being excoriated for a series of scams stretching back 30 years, Moon was recently feted by congressmen and "crowned" in the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington as the world's "True Parent."

U.S. Rep. Danny K. Davis, of Illinois, handed Moon a crown in an elaborate ceremony he claimed not to understand. From Moon's perspective, receiving the crown in the Senate Office Building was a symbol of America's spiritual subordination to his rule.

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Dude, that is some really serious bad juju going on here.

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In the real world it was just one more capitulation to a wealthy eccentric's dream of raw power.

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Only if you mean the "real world" in the sense of the sleeping, unawares, ignorant, purely-secular eye view of things which takes no notice of the unseen nor stirs to any type of awareness concerning the real forces at work in our world. That is not the REAL "real world", but it is the one most people live and work in and have determined via consensus to treat as the common playground we agree to call "real".

In the REAL real world ... like I said ... this is some very serious and very bad juju. America's leaders have been hoodwinked into complying with the performance of a complex occult operation at Moon's instigation.

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Continuing in their quest to fool all of the people all of the time, representatives of the Unification Church have stepped up their defense of Moon's bona fides as a spiritual leader by drawing comparisons between the Korean messiah and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

As expected, the years Moon spent in the pokey as a tax cheat are analogized as the moral equivalent of the time King spent in prison as a result of his fight against American apartheid.

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Sounds like the same sort of spin routinely trotted out by wingnutters to defend the supposed "character integrity" of their favorite liars, cheats, snookers and bully-boys.

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I'm not surprised that Archbishop George A. Stallings Jr. of the independent African-American Catholic congregation has bought into Moon's zany logic, but U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and the Rev. Walter Fauntroy? Even Attorney General John Ashcroft sang at a Moon-sponsored event.

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With the latter, it's my turn to say I'm not surprised, even if columnist Tony Norman is. Why am I not surprised? Because the Lord at one time saw fit to bless me with an awareness of Revelation 13 and the eschatological principles and major themes as outlined therein and in The Great Controversy, not only as speculations upon the future but as manifest in spiritual battles throughout the ages of history.

(Quoted excerpts above are from A Spiritual Hoodwinking by Tony Norman. Comments in response are, of course, mine.)

[Nicodema]

Very curious indeed ...

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[KJS: On this foundation, we are then a true object before God, and so stand ready to move forward anew, "of the Kingdom." The Crowning at the Senate Building on 23rd March was done in part, representing America. To some extent then America is beginning to take its true providential position before God and will then "find" its correct way forward, a way that is not seen by those blocked by Satan's thinking etc. Our work in the USA will need to expand this foundation, quickly, eventually to the point where America is central to the establishment of CIG by 2012-ref. Father's comments from 24th DHD speech.]

Back when the pope crowned the kings in previous centuries, actually that had no meaning before God. But last night, Father had already conquered Satan and the SW etc., by 2001. So last night, the crowning was not the acknowledgement of Father's accomplishments. Rather it was really to allow America to present their offering and so purify itself so America can move forward with God.

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I don't know what this "CIG" is referred to above, but the year 2012 stands out to me because this is the year the Mayan calendar ends, and is regarded by many among the larger 'new-age' community as signifying the end of the world or the beginning of a new order. In the old Mayan system it is the end of the Fifth sun (if I remember correctly) and signifies a time when nature is supposed to turn upon and devour the industrial and technological developments of mankind, in a sort of divine retributive payback for how we have disregarded the earth and its other life-forms.

Keep in mind with these excerpts (from the article located here: http://www.tparents.org/UNews/Unws0404/coron_tf_kwak_notes.htm) the words "God" and "Father" do NOT refer to our real Heavenly Father, but to Sun Myung Moon. And those "blocked by Satan's thinking" are actually those who, whether because they know/worship the true God or because they just aren't duped by all this hullaballoo, refuse to buy into Moon's self-proclamation as messiah, king, whatever.

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What was important in Father's mind was that this was reported to God at that place, connecting the event with God and God's kingdom ...

The crowning enabled this nation to begin to re-establish its foundation/regime through the "package" that included the crown.

The way Father approached this… "You surrender to me, now I can teach you."

... The "outside" view of the Capitol Hill event was that Father received a crown, an award for his years of dedication and leadership in reconciliation and peacemaking.

The "inside" view of the event was that America surrendered to True Parents in the king's position.

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The "inside" view, I strongly suspect, is how it will be treated by "principalities and powers, and rulers of spiritual wickedness in high places" as well.

[Nicodema]

Salon.com also has an article about this, and I believe it's one you can view without a subscription or login.

Hail to the Moon King

[aldona]

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the year 2012 stands out to me because this is the year the Mayan calendar ends

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Interesting...in Michael Drosnin's book "The Bible Code", something very big and apocalyptic is supposed to happen in 2012 as well...the word "holocaust" comes to memory.

Of course nobody knows on what date Christ will return, but it's interesting that a lot of "prophetic" sources all point to 2012.

aldona

[Amelia]

Moon is off his rocker and I dont think participating in this ceremony could be called benign.

[Nicodema]

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Interesting...in Michael Drosnin's book "The Bible Code", something very big and apocalyptic is supposed to happen in 2012 as well...the word "holocaust" comes to memory.

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Aldona, I don't know who Drosnin is or anything about his book but I'd bet you dollars to donuts he copped off the Mayan thing. That date and it's significance in Mayan mythos been well known for a long time now.

What's the Bible Code about?

[aldona]

Drosnin is a Jewish author who bases his book on the work of two Israeli mathematician (one a practicing Jew, one non-religious). These guys basically fed the entire contents of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) into a computer and then tried to look for patterns or hidden messages by looking for different "skip" combinations (e.g. every 50th letter, every 36th letter, every 12th letter, all sorts of permutations). Some of the messages uncovered were startling and, if what they present is true, definitely evidence of divine intervention in the writing of the Bible.

Very specific stuff like the assassination of Ithzak Rabin (including the date and the name of the guy that did it), the Oklahoma City bombing (including the date and Timothy McVeigh's correct name), specific events involving Hitler and World War 2 with dates and places.

It appears much more credible than anything by Nostradamus etc. And it is purely from a Jewish/ Old Testament perspective, no Mayan or other sources mentioned that I can recall. (Trying to find my copy so I can be more detailed, but I think hubby has loaned it to someone.) We showed it to a Jewish friend who studied Hebrew in high school and he seemed fairly open minded about it - "well, it seems it could be true..."

It was a very popular book when it first came out in the late 1990's, and recently an updated edition has been released. You should be able to find a copy without too much difficulty.

aldona

[Joe_in_RP]

I think this sums it up.

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As an SDA myself, I cringe when I hear of these kinds of associations. Heck, there are still people who think David Koresh was an Adventist. However, I can only think that Mr. Bartlett thought this was something innocent and insignificant. Still, he should probably have had more sense than this.

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[Paul Beach]

Dear persons,

Mrs. Gray found the story to be kind of hilarious as she does not think Rep. Bartlett knew what he was getting himself into. http://www.thehill.com/news/062204/moon.aspx

According to The Hill, " One of Moon’s claims that evening was that “Hitler and Stalin have found strength in my teachings, mended their ways and been reborn as new persons.”

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Something he probably wouldn't have done if he knew what it was. Mrs. Gray can just imagine the look on his face when this thing took place. It is funny, but this Moon guy's influence is unsettling (particularly since Mrs. Gray didn't know very much about him in the past.)

Also according to The Hill, " Lisa Wright, a spokeswoman for Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md), upon whom Moon bestowed an Ambassador of Peace Medal at the ceremony, said Bartlett was “notified that he was a recipient [of the award] by the Washington Times Foundation” and Bartlett “does not recall” being there for Moon’s speech. She said, “Congressman Bartlett will decline to attend future and similar events to receive awards from the Washington Times Foundation. … There was no representation of personal involvement by the Reverend Moon in connection with the event.”

Mrs. Gray can't believe that our dear Rep would not remember whether he was there for such a strange speech or not. Perhaps a little "stretchery" by the spokesindividual. But in any case it appears he has learned his lesson on this one.

Dear Rep, please be more careful in the future!

Sincerely,

Mrs. Gray

[Gregory Matthews]

Re: "Bartlett said he was invited to the event to accept a peace award from a non-profit organization aligned with Moon's newspaper the Washington Times. He said he was asked to participate in the ceremony after he arrived."

That sentence is of critical value. Moon has manipulated many people to include clergy by the methods mentioned above. Typically a non-profit organization aligned with Moon will offer something of value to an individual. Then at a later time, the individual will be "asked" to do something that seems innocent but can be used bythe Moon organization in a manner not intended by the individual.

Moon sucked a lot of clergy in by offering them trips to Korea on some innocent pretext, and them manipulating them after they got to Korea. SDA pastors were sucked into this, and the General Conference finaly had to step in and tell its U.S. pastors not to accept such free trips.

While we might say such people were suckers, the Moon organization was very skilled in manipulation.