olger Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 [quote name='John317 Some people are born with homosexual leanings or even with a different brain than others of his/her gender' date=' but there's no evidence to suggest that people are born with a desire to look at porn. In other words, if a person never looked at porn, like a person who never took drugs, they wouldn't ever become addicted to it. But homosexuality is different because we know now that it's often the result of processes that happen during early development of the brain, long before birth. [/quote'] Dear John: Sin is an issue of the heart more than the brain. That's the issue in homosexual sin, along with emotional pain. regards, olger Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Originally Posted By: John317 Some people are born with homosexual leanings or even with a different brain than others of his/her gender, but there's no evidence to suggest that people are born with a desire to look at porn. People lust...porn makes lusting easier.... Homosexuality is a result of sin. So is lusting....It doesn't matter. Sin is sin. Imperfection is imperfection. I agree Robert. Well said. olger Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Quote: The church's position is essentially pro-choice! I think I have already provided documented proof that is not true. The church takes a moderate position. The church is not at either extreme but in the middle. That position is simply that some abortions are sin. Those done for reasons of birth control, convenience or to choose gender are sinful. Those done for other reasons cannot be condemned. That is not pro-choice. Nor is it pro-life. That is a moderate position. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted February 12, 2007 Moderators Share Posted February 12, 2007 Originally Posted By: John317 Some people are born with homosexual leanings or even with a different brain than others of his/her gender, but there's no evidence to suggest that people are born with a desire to look at porn. People lust...porn makes lusting easier.... Homosexuality is a result of sin. So is lusting....It doesn't matter. Sin is sin. Imperfection is imperfection. All this is quite true, Robert. Most of what we see in our present world is the result of the Fall. We're short, stunted people now and the lions eat lambs. It's all imperfection. Now what. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted February 12, 2007 Moderators Share Posted February 12, 2007 Quote: The church's position is essentially pro-choice! I think I have already provided documented proof that is not true. The church takes a moderate position. The church is not at either extreme but in the middle. That position is simply that some abortions are sin. Those done for reasons of birth control, convenience or to choose gender are sinful. Those done for other reasons cannot be condemned. That is not pro-choice. Nor is it pro-life. That is a moderate position. I see your point, but what about Lazarus' statement that the Adventist hospital in his area does abortions on demand? I'm going to do find out about LLUMC and see whether they do the same thing. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Now what Treat all sinners alike. Love all or condemn all. Do not practice partiality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted February 12, 2007 Moderators Share Posted February 12, 2007 [quote name='John317 Some people are born with homosexual leanings or even with a different brain than others of his/her gender' date=' but there's no evidence to suggest that people are born with a desire to look at porn. In other words, if a person never looked at porn, like a person who never took drugs, they wouldn't ever become addicted to it. But homosexuality is different because we know now that it's often the result of processes that happen during early development of the brain, long before birth. Quote: Dear John: Sin is an issue of the heart more than the brain. That's the issue in homosexual sin, along with emotional pain.regards,olger[/quote'] I don't deny that having sexual relations with a member of one's own gender is a sin. I am talking about "being gay," not having sex. They are two different things. My understanding is that God does not condemn a person because he or she is "gay," any more than God condemns people for being any other way. What God condemns are acts and behavior. He doesn't condemn people for being tempted. Unless God performs a miracle of curing someone and changing them, they are always going to "be gay," because being gay has to do with how a person thinks and feels about themselves, etc., as well as how they view others. It has to do with what gender they identify with, for instance. That is not something that necessarily changes as a result of prayer. What changes is that God gives them self-control and helps them overcome the sin of acting out their gayness in terms of having romantic involvement and sexual relations. Getting back to the brain, fairly recent studies of brain development show that the main difference between males and females is their brain. The male brain undergoes a bath in male hormone during early development, but sometimes the male brain either has an incomplete bath or else it has a bath in female hormone. On the other hand, a female brain may be bathed in male hormone. This is what I have in mind when I say homosexuality is sometimes caused or related to what happens during the early development of the brain. It is still the result of the Fall, but it happens before birth. Lots of things happen in nature that God did not want or plan, wouldn't you agree? Very recently they found that females generally undergo certain physiological changes when they smell certain chemicals and hormones in male sweat. They also found that some homosexuals undergo those same involuntary changes when exposed to the male sweat. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 In many states hospitals do not do abortions "on demand" but only perform abortions for medical reasons - which our church does not condemn. Of course, California is a very liberal state so it wouldn't surprise me if the hospitals there actually do abortions on demand. In many states, however, abortions that have no medical purpose are done in clinics. I would suspect that abortions which have a medical purpose are performed in most every hospital where the civil government allows it. Of course most Adventists live in Latin American and African countries where most abortions are illegal and I suspect our hospitals comply with the law. I know there have been incidents where unwed mothers have shown up in Adventists hospitals to give birth and the hospitals refused to help them because of their marital status. It is kind of hard for me to believe the hospital would refuse to deliver a woman's baby but be willing to abort it. However the official church positions are not set by local hospital staff nor do those institutions have to comply with the official church positions. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 It is kind of hard for me to believe the hospital would refuse to deliver a woman's baby but be willing to abort it. Sick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Well, I have my doubts that Adventist hospitals are doing abortions on demand. An abortion "on demand" simply means that a pregnant woman walks in "demands" an abortion and it is done. No reason for the abortion is required. I guess I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some hospitals in liberal areas were doing this but I tend to doubt even that. However I don't doubt that abortions are done for medical reasons in Adventist hospitals. I know at least one of our MD members here at C/A has admitted to performing abortions for medical reasons. The church does not condemn that practice but leaves it up to the individual. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony! Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 If he is that bad then he needs to remain in prison. The problem is that everyone who has a sex offensive is not of not of the same mold as the man you described and deserves a chance at returning to a normal life after they do their time. This is true in any crime. Sorry Robert, but that is just not true. Here in Canada we have one of the more comprehensive programs in our prison system (Corrections Canada or CC) to rehabilitate criminals which exists in the world. For decades pedophiles have been in rehabilitation programs, and almost all (and I am talking about something like a 90-something out of a hundred, not a majority like 55 or 60) of them re-offend when released back into the community. After years of victims' rights groups' activism, the awareness of this re-offending in the community has finally caused CC to re-evaluate its programs. Now in the last year or so, the standard is that pedophiles will always want to re-offend, and that their 'cure' or recovery from this mindset is likely to never happen. This does not mean that God is not able, but it would be similar to where Paul says in the Bible that God "gave them over" to their demented minds and "seared conscience". 'Nuff said - it's true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 My understanding is that God does not condemn a person because he or she is "gay," any more than God condemns people for being any other way. What God condemns are acts and behavior. The law condemns all imperfection. In fact the moment that you were conceived in your mother's womb the law placed you in death row. Why? Because you share Adam's fallen, imperfect life - a life indwelt with "the law of sin" [self-love]. "Adam sinned, and the children of Adam share his guilt and its consequences...." [FW 88] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Originally Posted By: Robert If he is that bad then he needs to remain in prison. The problem is that everyone who has a sex offensive is not of the same mold as the man you described and deserves a chance at returning to a normal life after they do their time. This is true in any crime. Sorry Robert, but that is just not true....For decades pedophiles have been in rehabilitation programs, and almost all ...of them re-offend when released back into the community. Isn't this true of any sin outside God? Why just slam the pedophiles? God's law equally condemns all sin! May I remind you of Paul's quote? Romans 2:11 For there is no partiality with God. 12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for not the hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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