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The slipped it under the door as usually, I saw it today when I went to give it to my secretary. Have to say, felt creepy. You can imagine how I felt, when I remember I was in room 1515... this was written behind.. Kinda funny now..

Viewpoint: The Hollywood Church Emphasized Justice, but Not Righteousness 19 January 2015 | Melody George Ryan Bell was my pastor from 2007 to 2010. When I first heard about his one-year experiment with atheism, I stayed largely absent from the conversation. I didn’t read his blog or the articles in the Times. I didn’t listen to the stories on NPR. It was too emotional, too painful. I tried to ignore it. Perhaps now that the experiment is over and the outcome known to all, it’s time to confront those feelings. During my time in Hollywood, I spent over two years filming a documentary about Ryan’s team and their radical work at the Hollywood Adventist Church. I also became a member and an active participant in the congregation. My time at Hollywood was, without doubt, the most fulfilling church experience of my life thus far. I’ll never forget how Ryan immediately invited us into a conversation about what the church was to become. I’ll never forget how he sought me out as a new attendee and set up a lunch meeting just to get to know me better. I’d never had a pastor take personal interest in me before. Ryan saw community as the key to real spiritual growth and impact, and he pursued it with genuine warmth and friendship. What followed was certainly the highlight of my Christian experience. Over the next three years, I had a front row seat as God began to do something exquisite in this tiny church community. Ryan tasked us with a question: “How can we be a people among whom God dwells?” and let us young adults take ownership in shaping the church. We had desired this ownership, this place at the table, our entire Adventist lives. We invited God to dwell at our small purple-colored church in Hollywood, and he came. We asked him how we could make room for him to work, and he answered. It was almost as if a beacon had been lit. There was an uncanny convergence of young, talented, creative, passionate Christians showing up at the church. If I remember correctly, the size of the congregation doubled in about a year. But it wasn’t just the numbers that changed. There was a very deep sense of family that emerged. I knew most of the people in the congregation, and I loved them, and they loved me. We worshipped together. We hung out together. We ministered in Hollywood together. They became my family. And I had the chance to catch it all on camera, in what became the North American Division web series, “Stained Glass: Hollywood Blvd.” My whole life I had wanted to believe that an early-church type of experience was possible. God gave the church power to heal the sick, cast out demons, and spread the good news. This was the first group I’d encountered that took that charge seriously, and humbly asked questions about how to realize the dream. And in Hollywood of all places. The potential for a life of thrilling ministry and transformative church community boggled my mind. I felt more alive than I ever had. But no church is perfect. I left the Hollywood Church in 2010, well before Ryan announced his experiment with Atheism. But I believe I saw the seeds of that journey planted. And in watching the Hollywood Church’s story unfold, and Ryan’s, I have learned a lot that I feel compelled to share. I won’t address the question of God’s existence in this article; my thoughts are for those who embrace a Christian worldview. In my last year at Hollywood, I watched the slow dimming of the light that had been lit on Hollywood Blvd. The culture that had emerged in the church was “we’re non-judgmental; everyone’s welcome here.” But I watched as Ryan and the leadership took this beautiful principle to an extreme that, I believe, barred God from continuing to work there. When the subject of sexual purity within the congregation became an issue, I watched as elders were too afraid of appearing judgmental to lovingly challenge people to be their best. So they implicitly and explicitly supported immoral behavior instead. When hot-button issues of the day came up, I saw a knee-jerk allegiance to political correctness that overshadowed our previous humble stance of, “Lord, what would you have us do?” I watched as any incidence of demonic influence was labeled “mental illness,” and as the charge to “heal the sick,” got relegated to fixing healthcare at a systemic level. We began taking political action to address homelessness, but walked past the homeless man standing outside the church. In Bible studies we would commiserate about the impossibility of really knowing God’s will or overcoming sin. I will always remember the day an theist friend visited the church. His reaction was, “I don’t have any respect for this church because you try to appeal to everyone; you don’t stand for anything.” Psalm 89 proclaims, “Righteousness and justice are the foundation” of his throne. At the Hollywood Church, justice reigned, and people got a little uncomfortable when someone said the word righteousness. But there’s a reason those two words are paired together. I believe there’s a place for political action as Christian individuals, and a place for fighting systemic social problems as well. But when Jesus said we would do the same things he did, and greater things, he meant it, and he meant it in a spiritual, supernatural way. And his power can only descend on us to the degree that we embrace righteousness and truth in our lifestyles. Ironically enough, the very things we were afraid to stand for—sexual purity, as an example—were quite possibly the truths that could have blessed our neighbors in Hollywood the most. In short, within the Hollywood Adventist Church community during the Ryan Bell years, there grew a fear of appearing intolerant that superseded our desire for truth. There was a fear of appearing judgmental that turned righteousness into a bad word. There was a desire to be politically correct that made us forget Christianity was never intended to be cool to the world; a desire to fit in with the culture that kept us from getting too spiritually radical. And there was an “open-mindedness” that precluded the possibility of traditional thought being right. Political correctness is a wonderful thing when it reminds us to be fair and unbiased, to be sensitive to people’s differences and treat others with respect at all times. But it can also lead us to obscure truth for fear of offending. And there are times when offensive things need to be said. Jesus was certainly one of the most offensive public figures of his day, yet he was never obnoxious just for the heck of it. He had a close enough connection with the Father to know truth, and he spoke it unflinchingly. Sometimes that truth turned people away, as in John 6: “On hearing it, many of his disciples said, ‘This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?’ Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus asked them, ‘Does this offend you?’. . . From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.” On a day that is burned into my memory, the church office got a phone call from a woman pleading for help. She said she was being attacked by demons every night, and in desperation had called the first church she could find in the phone book. Our response to the call? We’ll pray for her. That day, I knew my time at the Hollywood Adventist Church was coming to an end. How could we confront such a thing when our thinking had become so secular that we didn’t take spiritual warfare seriously? Even if we did take it seriously, how could we enter that situation with any spiritual authority when we as a body had allowed sin directly and intentionally into our midst? Had we tried to help her, would our outcome not have been the same as the seven sons of Sceva? “The evil spirit answered them, ‘Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?’ Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.” A church located in the heart of Hollywood, one mile from the Kodak/Dolby Theater and the Walk of Fame. A building seen by hundreds of thousands from the 101 Freeway every day. Such potential. But we fell short of our impact because we were too afraid to call sin “sin,” to challenge each other in love to rise above it, and to believe God’s miraculous power is still available to the church today. I’m not suggesting we run up and down the aisles of our churches shouting, “Sinner, sinner!” But there is wisdom in James’ words, “confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” There is a place in the modern church for holding each other accountable in love and working together to pull each other higher. Indeed, I would call this true church. And at Hollywood, we were close enough friends to be able to respectfully confront each other. But we rarely did. Many terrible acts of intolerance have been perpetrated by religious people and institutions in the past, and those acts are never condoned by God. But now, classically, the pendulum swings too far in the opposite direction. In a culture of moral relativism—one which celebrates open-mindedness, claims all paths are equal, praises those who “don’t have answers,” and even lauds those with courage to doubt — have we forgotten the exclusive nature of Jesus’ claim: “There is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved”? Have we forgotten the Gospel record that demons trembled in his presence, knowing exactly who he was: “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?” They still react to his name in the same way today. When the Samaritan woman questioned Jesus on where to worship, he didn’t say, “All paths are equally valid,” but responded with a firm, “Salvation is from the Jews.” Where is the good old-fashioned common sense that tells us we can say boldly “I believe this is true,” and still be loving and respectful to all who believe differently? Where is the wisdom that instructs us on how to walk that fine line, case-by-case? Where is the deep love that accepts people exactly as they are and yet inspires them to be all they can be? Where are the holy, spirit-filled people who will not compromise their integrity, but will love and serve with the tenderness of Christ himself? “I don’t condemn you. Go and sin no more.” If a church member struggles with drug addiction, is the appropriate response, “We won’t judge you here”? Or is it to rally around him and bolster his sense of self-worth, give him back a picture of his future, drive him to his court dates and sit beside him while his body screams through the pain of withdrawal? What is the true picture of a Christ-follower? It is neither the person who shouts, “You sinner!” nor the one who turns a blind eye so as not to offend, but the one who holds back a brother’s hair as he vomits into a bucket on the way to recovery. Ryan Bell was and is a brilliant speaker, a radical thinker, a voracious learner, a truly compassionate person and a good friend. I have seldom seen someone work for justice as tirelessly as he. How does this person, seemingly so connected to the James 1:27 definition of “true religion,” go down the road toward Atheism? I don’t know. There are many sides to the story which I’m sure we’ll never hear. But I have great fear for a generation of Christians that thinks truth is relative and morality is self-defined. It leads toward a dangerous line of thinking that says, “I will be like the Most High.” There is, and always will be, great disagreement on what constitutes truth and morality. But I trust to Jesus’ promise that “anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.” What can we learn from Ryan Bell? We would do well to adopt his willingness to think critically about how we do religion, his searching mind, his great compassion for the oppressed and his desire to work for justice. We’d also be wise to remember the cautionary tale of the Hollywood Church, so afraid of appearing judgmental that it actually deprived the city of some of the greatest gifts it had to offer. Many criticize the conference for asking Ryan to step down from his position as pastor. But Ryan wasn’t teaching Adventism. Even he wouldn’t deny that. So how can one fault the Adventist Church for simply upholding what it believes to be true? It is possible for a group of spirit-filled believers to know with authority what is right and wrong. It is possible to know in your heart of hearts that God exists, and to say with authority that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life—and at the same time, to love, respect, and learn from others who see the world differently. I will always love and respect Ryan Bell. I’m so grateful for the opportunity he gave me to take ownership in my church, and to think critically about what it means to be a church. I will never forget the wonderful years I spent there . . . and will always experience an acute sadness over his loss of faith. I know God is alive, and slowly I’m learning I don’t have to be ashamed to say I know it. “How can we be a people among whom God dwells?”

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Tell me something that you know about peace. If it is from the Bible, that's even better. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God." Matt. 5:9, KJV

The Boulder SDA Church is attempting to become an active participant in the life of the community. As part of its reorganization, it has a section of leadership the is dedicated to developing new methods of reaching out to the community. This group of leaders consists of a broad spectrum of its members--youth, retired, health care employees, Phd. scientists and more. AS part of this evaluation, this group considered the fact that this area is known for it emphasis on healthful living to include vegetarian/vegan diets. So, it decided to attempt to reach this community. A website has been established where people with vegetarian/vegan interests can meet and communicate: http://www.meetup.com/boulder-vegetarian-cooking-community It is not an exclusive SDA website. Rather it is a website where such people can meet and communicate. But, it will have a SDA presence. You will note that it has only been open for a short period of time. As such, it was decided that a professionally responsible cooking school would be held which focused on a "plant based" diet rather than a vegetarian/vegan diet. People would be invited to attend, and the school would be live-streamed over the Internet would allow for Internet viewing at a later time. That school was held yesterday evening (January 24, 2015). More than 30 people attended, which include some non-SDA, community people. That was the first step. In an additional outreach, members to the community are invited to attend the monthly potluck that the Boulder congregation has at 12 Noon, once a month. Community people are invited to bring their favorite vegetarian/vegan dish to share. You will find the announcement of the next (February 14) potluck listed on the website. As the website is intended to be a community website, you may find announcements posted that might not be posted in a SDA Church. In any case, this is an innovative outreach to the community. Yes, it does have some aspects of a traditional SDA approach. The Boulder congregation wishes to combine the new with that which has worked well in the past. It does not automatically throw out what has been done in the past. It is willing to experiment and see what works. For those who wish to view congregational meetings, they may be viewed at: https://new.livestream.com/bouldersdachurch To view the congregational events stored on the above website you will need to either sign in through Facebook, or you can sign in through listing your e-mail address and a password. The password is: SDA7sda The cooking school, is available for viewing as well as other congregational services.

Gladys was the preacher's wife and accompanied her husband each Sunday to church. One particular Sunday when the sermon seemed to go on forever, many in the congregation fell asleep. After the service, to be sociable, she walked up to a very sleepy looking gentleman. In an attempt to revive him from his stupor, she extended her hand in greeting, and said, "Hello, I'm Gladys Dunn." To which the gentleman replied, "You're not the only one!"

Stewart said: What translation did you use in the above? I have checked both the NIV and the NKJV and neither states that the whip consisted of small cords. both say ". . . he made a whip out of cords." Neither say that the whip was made of small cords. O.K. The KJV, which I have now checked, uses the term "small cords." Also, you are correct is suggesting that the Greek word references plaited rushes. So, I stand corrected and I have answered my own question.

Interesting thoughts Kevin. I wonder about Mr. Fleming's idea that "the whip was to make the sound to scare the animals out." The description seems to imply something less substantial. "... when He had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables". (Jn 2:15) The scourge was made of "small cords", and I feel doubtful that it would have 'cracked' like a whip. (The term "small cords" seems to be derived from the idea of 'rushlets' -- small bulrushes, perhaps 2 or 3 feet long.) Personally, I doubt that the "scourge" served any practical purpose in Jesus' hand, or was even intended (or employed) as a physical threat. I'm thinking too that the people constituted a "vast throng", and the logistics of a man driving out people and animals in any "normal" sense (even if he were wielding an 8 or 10 foot leather whip,) does not really sit well with me. I do like the thought though -- how many children run to an angry man holding a whip? Yet perhaps we could even dispense with the last 3 words and that question would be just as pertinent : )

Robert said: That happens to be straight from the Bible. One does not need to go to Ellen White to find that taught. See the following: Exodus 31:13 Ezekiel; 20: 12 & 20

Thx4mercy, I think I would have to yield, and allow that it could turn over tables. But like you, I would have to say, "not with a temper, of course." __________________ "...the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. " (James 1:20) The "anger" that we are familiar with does not incline us to keep the law of God. It's general tendency is to make us break it. The anger that we are familiar with leads us do things that we can regret for the rest of our lives. And I don't think it's just a matter of "who" does it. I mean, if Jesus manifested "normal" indignation or wrath, it was not righteous simply because He was the one that did it. The worst thing anyone can bring into any dispute, is "anger". Passionate actions [or outbursts] do not, cannot, produce the righteousness that God is looking for in us.

Thanks, Pam! We had a truly fantastic and enjoyable, and very Aussie, day. Stayed over the night before with friends who have a house right on the beach, so in the morning we went for a swim in the surf, then bicycled down to a beachside cafe for breakfast. Chilled for a while at home then (less traditionally) went to see the movie 'Big Hero 6' (which we loved), then it was over to our daughter's place for a barbeque dinner with both our girls and their partners Crank and Peter, and Peter's parents who were visiting from England. Fantastic day.

Thank you all for the contribution to my Question . This long believed fundamental to the Great Controversy takes some understanding.

Excellent points Ted. If I recall correctly, there was a Black minister, not sure of the denomination, that was convicted of the Sabbath message and preached on that one Sunday, and told his whole congregation that he would be worshiping on Sabbaths from than on!!

Ted posted: The saints raised from the grave in Matthew 27:52, 53 were tied to this very fact as well. I don't think these were raised as Lazarus was raised - I believe they were resurrected as was Moses. They are in heaven, ministering under Christ, even today. Indeed, there are at least 24 people (the 24 elders in Revelation 4, 5) who are representing the human race in heaven. Yes, God has submitted Himself to be judged by His sentient creatures. Humans are in heaven, reviewing the same evidence which has been submitted to the angels. Revelation 4:11 will be their verdict. Rachel adds: King David divided the priesthood into 24 "courses" (1 Chron. Cpt 24-25). There were too many of them to minister in the Temple - all at the same time. They took turns, coming up to the Temple in a regular schedule of 2 weeks at a time. On the Feast Days, all of the priests would be present to help with all the sacrifices. So - it's probable that there are far more than just 24 Elders ministering in Heaven now, "redeemed" out of "every tribe and tongue and people and nation".

Coffee drinking is not something I would place in the same category as breaking the 10 commandments because there may be times it is the best course medicinally. I do not choose to drink it recreationally. I feel differently with a significant amount of caffeine- a bit jittery. I also believe we should seek to live in a way that is most healthful and without unneeded jitters.