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Just want to extend many Kudos to Stan the Man for starting and maintaining C/A. It's been, and continues to be, a great resource for keeping track of what's going on in the church, as well as providing pro and con's on current issues. It's also a wonderful place to read inspirational stories and thoughts. C/A is truly a world-wide mission. I think we've got a good group of members, too. We don't all agree. We get frustrated with each other sometimes. And we'd like to stick a carrot in someone's mouth, so to speak, at times. But I think if it came right down to it, we'd defend each other from harm....sort of like a "family." Thanks for bringing us Club Adventist, Stan.

Those who attempt to explain away and dismiss the experience of the Church in China deny the leading of God in that place and in effect proclaim that God either cannot or does not intervene to prevent what they claim is government involvement in the internal affairs of the SDA denomination. My God is more powerful than that.

I third it!!!

I second Pam's kudo-notions!

Well that sure made my day THANK YOU, it takes team to do this.

See: http://atoday.org/adventist-womens-conference-reviews-history-looks-to-the-future/

Interesting notion about the role of women in Medicine vs the ordination issue. Why would God place a person's physical well-being in the hands of a woman, yet say that same person's spiritual well-being would be in jeopardy if placed in the hands of a woman? Makes the whole ordination issue sound even *more* archaic...

The Divison does recognize her. The GC does not. The GC has not listed her in the official directory of the Church, the SDA Yearbook, or recognize her at any official GC meetings as the president of SECC. The SECC pays her salary.

They do express that God is limited and limited to their perspective. God help us all to humble ourselves and be found in Him alone.

They were all kings during his lifetime?

Jackson said below: Jackson's statement reflects a misunderstanding of the actual facts. 1) To say that the cited statement constitutes a legal requirement to be included in every Union Constitution and By-laws in the global structure is simply false. To be a legal requirement would depend on the laws of the country where the Union is located. 2) It would be legally required to be so included only if it was voted by the Union at a properly called meeting, and that might not happen. 3) Jackson has cited a 2013-2014 document. Such a document would not have applied to any Union Constitution and By-laws unless a similar statement had been in effect at the time that the respective Union Constitution and By-laws were voted. 4) While it is true that similar statements were in effect prior to 2013/2014, it is also true that such were not in effect at the time that some Union Constitutions and By-laws were voted. In addition while some may have been updated to include such a statement, some have not been so updated. 5) For those who believe that the General Conference voting in session can vote and therefore require anything to be applied to subsidiary organizations, that is false. Article XII--Bylaws states that the General Conference meeting in session can only vote to amend its By-laws in a manner that is consistent with its Constitution. NOTE: This Article is contained in the 2010 Constitution. 6) The NAD Working Policy of the 2012 to 2013, I am informed says (page B-3 # 5): "The highest level of authority within the powers granted to each level of denominational organization resides in the constituency meeting. . . ." 7) Item 6, of the same document, so I am informed, grants final authority to various levels of the organization. As an example the local congregation is granted the final authority to decide who becomes a SDA member. 8) It should be noted, as I am informed, that a typical Division Working Policy will mandate that civil law that violates denomination policy will be complied with if: a) There is no violation of Biblical principles and 'b) The General Conference has been consulted. NOTE: The positon of the SDA denomination is that the issue of the ordination of females is a policy issue and is not established by Biblical doctrine. 9) I am informed that under the provisions of Article XII of the 2012 - 2013 Model By-laws for a Union Conference, it requires a 2/3 majority of the constituency delegates to amend the Union Constitution and By-laws. Absent this vote, the vote of the GC in session lacks the authority to force a Union to comply, at least as long as that Union remains. "To dissolve the Union Conference would require under Article VII a 2/3 majority vote of the constituency delegates.