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I agree. I consider myself very open-minded about eschatology; and like many, want to keep viable scenarios in mind rather than focus on a specific scenario for the end times (like Adventism's sole focus on the papacy) I cannot sufficiently comprehend hch's scenario to even include it on my list of possibilities.

You say we don't even look at what you present, but we do. Some of us read, and reread, every single word you write. We hope to find reason to agree with you, but we do not find this. We aren't waiting to see if it will happen. We already know it will not.

I posted the quote with the sources in response to APL's request to Kevin to provide sources..

Sorry Kevin to take so long to respond to this thought: the pioneers in general did not see dis-fellowship on differences of belief as a solution to differences but evidence of the spirit of Rome, the Berean way is the only solution to differences. Today is not the same, now to be a none-trinitarian will even get you dis-fellowshipped for failing to teach it. This I know as I know of 5 people that have been in the last 10 years, and not for being rude or forceful as some from either opinion can be, in 3 different Divisions. Sure don't get where your coming from on the Father and the Law, as a Pentecostal Trinitarion for some that was a fact but under righteousness by faith Christ is the law unto salvation. I will read "Confrontation" as it is one of the few I have never read, so where in the Estate can I find the original you speak of as I have said before I don't have much faith in compilations, context always seems to suffer. Apart from that I have never heard of anyone coming to the conclusions you state about the temptation of Christ. So where did E G start to use God the Son and God the Holy spirit, a few quotes would sure put a lot of concerns to rest. I await your provision of such if in this book, save me a lot of reading.

The being who became Jesus was at creation, in the wilderness, and met with Adam, Abram, Isaac, and Jacob. He is one of the "elohim" mentioned frequently in the OT.