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I'm in 100% agreement!!

How sad. We are living in a time where there is renewed persecution and martyrdom among too many of many faiths. When growing up martyrdom was old, found in Fox's book of martyrs. We could write volume two covering these past couple years.

To become divided over the nature of the Holy Spirit is counterproductive for the growth in love of the body of believers. Our Father in His own good time will reveal all there is we can know in our fallen condition, about the essence of the Spirit of God. God is Love!~Jesus saves!

On a very recent night, my news show on TV was interrupted by a news flash and I was watching the Grenfell Tower Block in London going up in flames. Again, I am watching a disaster in real time, this one horrible knowing that people were burning to death right before my eyes. This reminds me of another disaster I found my self watching back in 2011 as I switched channels only to find the waters of the Fukushima Tsunami racing across the land pushing scores of cars in front of it. 28,000 people died in that disaster. In the following video, approximately the whole first minute was just the earthquake itself. I was used to the quick little jolts that would last but a few seconds, but this one went on and on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybBUwDgwIpM The next video is very interesting to note the reactions of the people to the warnings of the coming tsunami. Three minutes into the video, you can see people standing around at the wall of the river and in the distance the tsunami is coming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_0rQ9hnP84 In the next video, you can see many people who have heeded the warnings and gone to high ground. At 8:00 into the video, you can see people racing down the street ahead of the surging waters tearing thru the town. It was captioned "It was now too late to escape for anyone.": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e37NRbNAaes This really brings to mind the very condition of our whole earth as we know the end of the age and the Second Coming is fast approaching. Like the narrater in the second video was noting the changes in the ebbing of the river, we see the signs of the coming end of the age disaster. Loud speaker warnings going out in high volume and many of the people milled about. This so much reminds me of giving out literature to people and telling them that the end is near. "Yeah, Yeah." and they are gone. The world is now covered with "eyes" and we see everything in big screens as real as being there almost. Pull up a chair, it is going to get scary.

Adventism is the Only Religion that prepares people for Heaven. That's why we are so unique. I thank God for that

Gustave, Could you give us the quotation, and give us the reference, where EGW stated that Lucifer was an "archangel"? I don't remember reading that one. Could you give us the quotation, and give us the reference, where EGW affirmed "there are multiple archangels" I don't remember reading that. Could you quote something to show that James White "took great issue with" his wife's adoption of the Arian view? From my reading, I always understood James to be opposed to the doctrine of the Trinity. He called it a "Romish doctrine". There is no phrase in the Bible worded, "God the Holy Spirit". There is no command and no example, that we should worship the Holy Spirit.

Does NOT say "the fellowship WITH the Holy Spirit". It says "fellowship OF the Holy Spirit". It is the fellowship made possible when we are filled with the spirit of Christ. "and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ." (1Jo 1:3 NKJ)

Having been in the hospital world of business for over 30 years the above is true is some cases but the world of health care has been for a long time about profit. Nothing wrong with that. Its the free enterprise system that everyone thinks is the best 'American' way. That may be best for other types of business but I don't believe it is the best for health care. Management is a very big issue. I would suggest that there is a lot of poor management in healthcare, maybe more so than othertypes of business. What is the incentive for better management when tradionaly you had insurance and medicare funds comming in by the truckload. That is not happening any more. Insurance has tightened up it business and so has medicare. Hospitals vie for patient business by replicating expensive equipment of other hospitals, i.e., PET/CT scanners, which become underutilized due to less patients. This happens across the board in all areas. We have some hospitals in this area that would rival the swankious Hotel. Patients want that and will look for those hospitals because they have been falsely told it is the 'best'. Of course, they do want to pay for it and complain when insurance bills them for the difference. There are only so many patients and the competition for them becomes intense. Hospitals are reimbursed at a higher rate for many services than stand alone clinics. They are also buying into them as well. As I have mentioned before, the cancer clinics that I worked for was much better managed and delivered services at lower cost to patients that what they would get at a hospital. We were a 'for profit' business with those monies going back into clinics, management, physicians and staff. They are owned by a larger HC group that provided high level management and expansion funds. The emphasis was on efficiency and customer service. It worked very well. Healthcare is a business and the clinics were run like one. There are corporations that do try to get into ancillary services and take business away from hospital, but they are often not run well and go out of business or become involved in fraud, medicare mismanagement, etc. Healthcare gets concentrated where the mony is. Here in Colorado, rural areas have next to none. People drive hours for a Dr or clinic in many cases. This is not unusual but pretty much par for the course in most rural areas across the country. The public has been promised a 'golden' spoon when it comes to healthcare in this country but with results that are not equal or less than other types of systems in other countries. We ask for and expect the absolute best equipped care, the absolute top Drs, facilities, equipment, etc for 'hang nail', 'runy nose', 'tummy ache' to the extreme. We expect someone else to take care of us, no self control in what we do, eat or anything else in our lives. Bottom line, we are quite selfish and whine a lot, a whole lot!! "Show me the money" is where the state of HC is and will be. (off my soap box)