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  1. Gregory Matthews

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    The following quote is an example of a post that does not make a contribution to the discussion. It probably shuts down discussion by people other than the one to which it was intended, as few people would appreciate such said about them.
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  2. B/W Photodude

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Here's another thought: it will be even more wrong if it is ungodly.
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  3. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    Rumours of wars
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  4. phkrause

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    Here's something that I found on this issue: https://family.adventist.org/seventh-day-adventist-position-statement-on-homosexuality/ here's another one: http://drpipim.org/homosexuality-contemporaryissues-47/38-the-official-seventh-day-adventist-position-on-homosexuality.html another: https://searchlight.vc/searchlight/our-readers-opinions/2018/09/11/the-seventh-day-adventist-church-position-on-homosexuality/ one more: https://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/statements/article/go/-/same-sex-unions/ There are more, but it seems most are pretty much the same!!
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  5. Rahab

    3 word devotional

    Shall deceive many
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  6. Gregory Matthews

    La Sierra University Church Now Has a Sabbath School For Homosexuals

    The Wanderer asked in the quote below: Please note that I did not say that there was an official position. Rather, I said in part: ". . . the majority of SDAs agree that the homosexual condition, even if a result of sin, is not sinful itself. Rather, it is the homosexual activity that is sinful." There is a wealth of material available that supports what I said. If I were to attempt to cite this large amount of material, I would take far more space that I can take in this forum. You may not agree with my statement. But, you surely are aware that I am correct. So, I will only cite one statement, by a member of this forum, Inge Anderson, who, if you are aware, is a recognized SDA authority in this matter: "It is crucial for homosexually oriented persons to understand that having a homosexual orientation does not make them guilty of any sin. It is literally a life-and death matter that we distinguish between a homosexual orientation and homosexual sexual activity." As printed in: Inge Anderson. "Good News for Adventists attracted to their Own Sex." Homosexuality, Marriage, and the Church: Biblical, Counseling and Religious Liberty Issues. Andrews University Press, 2012, page 446. In asking your question, your should probably tell us what you mean by an "official Adventist position in writing." If you mean as voted by a GC Session, no such a subject has never come to a vote.
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  7. Here is what my Church Officially says about homosexuality. 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. So, as I understand this a homosexual has as much right as anyone to claim the merits of Christ & do their best to live according to the Christian Faith. It's the homosexual ACTS, that under no circumstances, can be approved. To say it another way a homosexual is to refrain from homosexual acts LIKE A HETROSEXUAL is to refrain from sexual acts outside of marriage. The caveat here is that there isn't a mechanism to justify or validate homosexual acts because EVEN IF a homosexual marries another homosexual the sex acts are disordered and contrary to the natural law. As one guilty of violating #2253 & #2254 I can appreciate how difficult this "sentence" would be for a gay person who has genuine same sex attraction because unlike heterosexuals - - marriage does not make the homosexual sex acts complaint with Christianity. This is a tough deal for queers and easy for us heterosexuals to waltz off into the sunset with our spouses not even attempting to quantify how this feels for gays. I've had the privilege to work around many gay people and several of them told me they realized they were gay at a very early age and wanted more than anything to not be - I especially feel sorry for these folks. Jesus died for them as much as He did for me and at the end of the day perhaps Jesus will forgive them for momentary failures like I think and hope He has forgiven me for mine. I didn't want anyone to think I hate queers or anything like that because I don't. LGBTQQ has been around since humans started walking the planet and they are here to stay - it's just that with the internet and modern tech they have more of a voice than they used to and are more brave in showing themselves out in the open. I believe that there is a good and bad part to this.
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  8. I find I usually do not have to go looking for quotes. Ellot Waggoner was talking about this and he said not to study the Bible topically. I suspicion that looking for quotes is similar to topical Bible study. Usually they come in whatever I was going to be reading that day. Almost like I was going down the highway to the store to buy something and sitting right by the road all wrapped up was what I wanted to buy. Still trying to figure that out. This has been going on for a long time, but most of the time I don't post them. Of course, not all of them are related to this forum.
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