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So, how is the term "sons of God" used in the Bible: In the Old Testament: Genesis 6:1-4 is the basic passage that has caused some people to suggest that humans has had sexual intercourse with angels. * The idea of human and angelic sexual intercourse is found in a number pagan religions. But, the question that we face is whether or not this idea is Biblical. * The context of Genesis, chapter 5, is totally that of human beings and genealogy of Adam. Nothing in this chapter would suggest an angelic aspect to those who descended from Adam. * In verses 4 & 5, of Genesis 6, there is a clear application to humanity. There is not clear statement that these people are half humans and half angels. The are simply described as human. * This chapter lays the background for what is called the flood of Noah. That background is focused on what is identified as the wickedness of humanity. It says nothing about the wickedness of a humanity that has mixed with angels. * Job 1:6 & 2:1 & 38:7 do clearly apply to angelic beings. However, it must be noted that this application is not to a half-breed being that is part human and part an angel. These are simply angels. In the New Testament: This term is used to apply to people we would say are followers of Christ, or Christians. * John 1:12 & 13, although in this passage some translations use the term "children of "God." * I John 3: 9, which speaks of humans being "born again." * I John 4:7 tells us that humans may be "born again." * I John 5: 1-4 tells us that humans who follow Christ are "born of God." * I John 3: 2-3, uses the term "children of God." * Matthew 5:45 speaks of humans having a Father in heaven." In brief: Based upon the above, I have to reject that idea that the passage in Genesis tells us that humans and angels engaged in sexual intercourse. Rather, I accept the idea that the term "sons of God," as used in the Bible, may refer to angels and may refer to humans, but never to a half-breed between humans and angels.

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Or could the difference be the motivation for circumcision? In Galatians, they were being circumcised because the Judaizers convinced them that circumcision was required for salvation. Maybe Timothy asked to be circumcised so he could "fit in" better when he accompanied Paul and/or preached in synagogues.

? Obeying the truth ✨ 1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

Joe: I will try this one more time, Job 38:7 said the Morning stars all sing together, that was the angels. If you look throughout the New Testament stars always was a symbol of angels. The star that led the wise men, the stars, Rev 9:1 a star had a key, that was an angel. But the sons of YAHWEH were unfallen worlds. The descendants of Seth were called the sons of God—the descendants of Cain, the sons of men. As the sons of God mingled with the sons of men, they became corrupt, and by intermarriage with them, lost, through the influence of their wives, their peculiar, holy character, and united with the sons of Cain in their idolatry. SP p. 66 Now you know I do not us EGW a lot however, I do know when she stands for truth. I have told you and gave you Hebrew 1:5 and you refuse to accept the exact word angels at anytime have never been called HIS son. They were not made in HIS IMAGE we and the other beings on other worlds are! You rather accept the fable of man in Job 38:7 that they are suppose to YAHWEH'S son instead of the unfallen worlds and the angels that sung were call stars! He said HE WILL KILL FLESH nowhere in Gen 6 do you see anything that states angel, messenger at all. I hope you will not take this personal and reason with me. If the Bible does not say anywhere that these were angels you would take man's tradition over the Bible? Me and you have talked about the trinity, it is not in the Bible and neither anywhere does it make claim that angels are YAHWEH'S sons. The Bible even tells you that, so why want you believe the Bible when it clearly states at ANYTIME have HE ever call an angels HIS SON. The Persians stated that their deity had two sons which included Satan (this word comes from Persia), that later is how part of the Mormon belief also known as the Latter Day Saints! Some Protestants also believe this fable but I agree with the Bible they do not look like THE ALMIGHTY ONES we do that is why we are call actually HIS children throughout the Bible. Now you insulted me and make me feel very sad. I never use philosophy when dealing with the Bible. I use the actual meaning of words: From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant. Strong If you look at Numbers 13:33 the exact word is used. So Moses was indicating that all the people during that time were extremely tall. Where is the philosophy in that. That is what I previously stated. But the word also mean many people who were also tyrant or fallen ones from the original word "nephal." The word is loosely translated as giants in some Bibles and left untranslated in others. The "sons of God" have been interpreted as fallen angels in some traditional Jewish explanations. The Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon (1908) gives the meaning of nephilim as "giants", and holds that proposed etymologies of the word are "all very precarious." Many suggested interpretations are based on the assumption that the word is a derivative of Hebrew verbal root n-ph-l (נ־פ־ל) "fall". Robert Baker Girdlestone[ argued in 1871 the word comes from the Hiphil causative stem, implying that the nephilim are to be perceived as "those that cause others to fall down." Ronald Hendel states that it is a passive form: "ones who have fallen", grammatically analogous to paqid "one who is appointed" (i.e., overseer), asir "one who is bound" (i.e., prisoner), etc. The majority of ancient biblical versions—including the Septuagint, Theodotion, Latin Vulgate, Samaritan Targum, Targum Onkelos, and Targum Neofiti—interpret the word to mean "giants".Symmachus translates it as "the violent ones"and Aquila's translation has been interpreted to mean either "the fallen ones" or "the ones falling [upon their enemies]." Wikipedia Given the ambiguity of the Genesis passage, there are several interpretations about the relationship between the “sons of God” and the Nephilim. Some have understood the sons of God to be fallen angels, and the Nephilim are the offspring they produced with human women. This view was described in the First Book of Enoch, a noncanonical Jewish text, and remains a popular explanation. The First Book of Enoch also notes that the Nephilim were giants, which seems in accordance with the “people of great size” described in the Numbers passage. The apparent gigantism of the Nephilim is argued to stem from their supernatural origin, though some have countered that it is theologically problematic to suggest that angels or demons, as purely spiritual beings, could physically reproduce with humans. A less supernatural view holds that the Nephilim were simply men who fell away from righteousness. Specifically, some theologians have held that “sons of God” is a reference to the descendants of Seth, the righteous son of Adam, and that the Nephilim were members of his bloodline who rejected God. This view, known as the Sethian view, was held by St. Augustine and other Church Fathers as well as by many Jewish theologians. The Sethian view is sometimes elaborated with the assertion that the “daughters of men” were the ungodly women of the bloodline of Cain, Adam’s murderous son. With the Nephilim as mere humans, their “great size” is variously taken literally or metaphorically, though they were undoubtedly considered great warriors. Britannica.com I will state it again, I stand on what the Bible says, in Heb 1:5, that is truth to me. I leave up to you what you choose to believe. I will always pray that we can reason together in love. Blessings!

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Is the problem with the Bible or the translators?

Joe: The Bible says he never ever call any angel his son period! For unto which of the angels said HE at any time, Thou art MY SON, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him A FATHER, and he shall be to ME a Son? Heb 1:5 Look at the whole chapter of Gen 6 not one time did you see that Moses said they were mixed half angel and half being, that is not in there. And YAHWEH said, THE SPIRIT shall not always strive with adam, for that they also is flesh: yet their days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:3 The Bible does not say man, it actually says adam and not his or him which makes no sense. It is only talking about earthly beings. If they were mix with angels it would have made that very clear. I know it is impossible because you have never read anywhere that angels have sex organs. What you have read it in Hebrew they are ministering spirits, you also read they have great powers, that excel in strength, they do not marry. Then in Gen Chapter 6 YAHWEH tell Noah he is going to destroy flesh. No where do you read the word angel. You only read the sons of ELOHIYM who in the end of Chapter Four were Seth's children who called on THE NAME of YAHWEH! Gen 4:26 YAHSHUA say it would be like the days of Noah and never mention anything about angels, only flesh. Peter also talk about the angels being incarcerated (the word used is hell) in the bottomless pit and the next verse he talks about Noah. Never speaking about flesh mingling with angels. 2 Peter 2:5. The Bible makes it clear that we are the sons of THE MOST HIGH! John 1:12; Rom 8:14, 19; Philip 2:15; 1 John 3:1, 2 Here is one of the other problems "nephil," which do not mean giant at all! Why because all of them were made tall! The word just mean some were tyrants and want to rule over others. That's happening today! It all has to do with violence. We have proof of dictators in the world today! Just like the days of Noah! The other misunderstanding is the passages in Job. The sons of YAHWEH or THE ALMIGHTY ONES are the other worlds who have not sinned! All I can tell you that the Bible is consistent and it would have been made clear if there were intercourse with angels. They have no sex organs we do and the Bible says so we YAHSHUA made male and female! This particular has to do with the sex organ and birthing children! I would also ask why would YAHWEH allow something like that and only call and kill flesh beings and not the angels? Angel's food was given, why not that clearly spoken of? All throughout the the next chapter is only said that flesh died! Joe show me where it actually said that angels were HIS sons in the Bible! Remember only YAHSHUA was call the SON of Adam! There is are some suppose additional chapters call the Wisdom of Daniel, that refers to dragons, it is part of the Douay Version Bible. Tobias Jeremiah clerk someone claim is a part of the Douay Bible also and others ones they all are very mythical if you read them! I pray you give what I have presented some thought with pray most of all! Blessings!

✨ God is holy ? 1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Joe: I am sorry, I have been very busy. It is always good to compare and study other Bibles. The Maccabees are not Biblical but historical. The Douay Bible has writings that are not no inspired by THE HOLY SPIRIT! When you read them you can tell they are mythical, stealing true Bible writers or people names. They present things that make no sense angels (spiritual beings) having sex with flesh beings, dragons and other nonsense things. Just be careful and always compare it with the Bible. Remember the Catholic believes that the papacy is above the Bible and can change it. Let me say this, what I present to you unless we are talking about our families or secular things, in which I speak of very little. Everything I present here is for salvation and I always state clearly that you have to make a choice. The reason is because only you and THE HOLY SPIRIT can work that out. I am a presenter not a forcer. However, I stand on the Word of THE MOST HIGH to provide the knowledge that THE HOLY SPIRIT has given me to share it and leave the rest up to THE ALMIGHTY ONES! I do not condemn, I do warned but THE FATHER is THE JUDGE I must ask forgiveness for my sins and walk in the path of righteousness just like everyone else who believe in truth and have faith! Blessings!