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well, this text says NOTHING about the actual location where this happened, but we can know by other texts that it could not have been in heaven. There's no proof that this happened in heaven. How on earth would the very human "sons of God" get themselves into heaven at that time? Pretending that you know the physical substance of Satan will not get you very far. If a text tells us that "Satan transforms himself into an angel of Light," we have to go with that. Bible prophecy shows that this will be a live event, in real-time. He will transform to that "angel of light," just as scripture tells us. THAT angel will appear to be Christ to the unconverted world, and that will be his devious intentions then. His idea will be to use this form of the "angel of light" to deceive the people who do not know Him, or what His Word says about the 2nd coming. And many will be deceived by this "angel of Light;" especially once the news media starts telling everyone that it is Jesus! The Bible does reflect briefly on this very thing: The text you quoted has nothing to do with the devil's specific physical substance when he joined in with "the sons of God' to accuse Him. Nor does it say this going "before God" took place in heaven. We go "before God" all the time, and we don't go to heaven! All it tells us is that Satan joined in the chorus with those "sons of God" who were trying to accuse Job. It says he came as himself, and gives no hint of anything different, at least not in that text. Zech 3:1 also talks about Joshua "standing before the Lord," and Satan is right there beside him, to accuse, which is his specialty. Rev 12:10 tells us that Satan has been "cast down to the earth," so there's really no way to bruit the texts into claiming that this all took place in heaven; and certainly, its nothing to do with physical substance or form thereof. The Bible NEVER gives us this kind of information about substance or the specific agency of "the devil." The lesson for Job 1:6 that you are quoting here is that Satan admits Job’s goodness, but challenges its motive. He suggests that it is by no means disinterested. Satan still considers the saints, and finds out their weak places and secret sins. But he has no power over us save by the divine permission, and if we are tempted, there is always available the needed supply of grace, 2 Cor 12:9 The great controversy between Christ and Satan, that has been carried forward for nearly six thousand years, is soon to close; and the wicked one redoubles his efforts to defeat the work of Christ in man's behalf and to fasten souls in his snares. To hold the people in darkness and impenitence till the Saviour's mediation is ended, and there is no longer a sacrifice for sin, is the object which he seeks to accomplish. {GC 518.1}

Leviticus Chapter Eight Moses calls all "the congregation" to gather "at the door of the tabernacle of meeting" (1:3) Verses 6-13 Moses dresses Aaron and his sons in priestly garb, and then anoints them with sacred oil. He also anoints "the tabernacle and all that was in it". (v.10) Moses then sacrifices "the bull for the sin offering" for Aaron and his sons, after Aaron and his sons place their hands on the head of the animal (v.14-17) Moses is acting as priest during this ceremony. Moses burns the parts he has been instructed, on the alter, and the rest "he burned with fire outside the camp as the LORD had commanded Moses." (v.18-21) Moses then sacrifices "the ram as the (whole) burnt offering, after Aaron and his sons laid their hands on the head of the ram". Moses cuts the ram into pieces and washes the right pieces. This is the whole burnt offering, and Moses burns all of it on the alter. (v. 22-24) Moses sacrifices a "second ram" as a "consecration offering". He takes blood of that sacrifice and anoints the right ear, the right thumb, and the right big toe of each man (Aaron, Nadab, Abihu). (v.24) Moses burns only "the fat", "the two kidneys and their fat", and the right thigh". The rest of the usable meat belongs to the priests. (v.26-28) Moses offers the grain offering that was always added to the consecration offering, after Aaron and sons take it in their hands to signify that they themselves are "wholly consecrated" to the LORD. (v.29) Moses' "part" of the consecration offering was "the breast" of the animal sacrificed (because he was acting as priest). Rather than keep it, Moses burns that also to demonstrate his own full consecration to the LORD. (v.30) Moses again anoints Aaron and his sons with holy oil." (v.31) Moses instructs Aaron and his sons to "Boil the flesh at the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and eat it there with bread from the basket of consecration offerings." When they ate of that offering and they were taking INTO themselves that consecration. (v.32-33) THEN Aaron and his sons are told not to "go outside the door of the tabrenacle of meeting for seven days, until the days of your consecration are ended." "Therefore you shall abide at the door as of tabernacle of meeting day and night for seven days." Chapter Nine (v.1) It came to pass ON THE EIGHTH DAY that Moses called Aaron and his sons and the elders of Israel." PRIESTLY MINISTRY BEGINS (v.2-3) Aaron is commanded to sacrifice a sin offering + a burnt offering FOR Aaron AND a sin offering + burnt offering + peace offering + grain/oil offering FOR the people. (v.4) "For TODAY the LORD will appear to you." (v.7) Moses tells Aaron to begin the priestly ministry. (v.8-22) Aaron offers all the sacrifices in the correct manner. (v.23-24) Moses and Aaron go into the Tabernacle and come out again. Then the Glory of the LORD came from "before the LORD and consumed (what was left of) the burnt offering and the fat (of the consecration offering) on the alter. Chapter Ten [There were no chapter divisions in the original text.] (v.1-2) THEN Nadab and Abihu "offered profane fire before the LORD which He had not commanded them." The pair may be trying to act the part of High Priest, or their action may simply have gone beyond what the LORD commanded. The attitude of these two men was not humble or respectful of the LORD's specific instructions. (v.4-5) After two cousins of Aaron carry the bodies (with clothes) "out of the camp", Moses tells Aaron and his two sons who are left, not to tear their clothes or demonstrate mourning, BECAUSE "the anointing oil of the LORD is upon you" (v.6-7). (v.12) "Then Moses spoke to Aaron,and Eleazar and Ithamar his sons who were left; Take the grain offering that remains of the offerings made by fire to the LORD and eat it without leaven beside the alter, for it is most holy." (v.16) "Then Moses diligently made inquiry about the goat of the sin offering, and there it was, burned up." [It had been left on the alter.] (v.16-18) Moses was angry with Eleazar and Ithamar, the sons of Aaron who were left. He asks why they have not eaten [a portion of] the sin offering in a holy place, to bear the guilt of the congregation. QUESTION: Why would Eleazar and Ithamar be eating the sin offering? They have not yet gone through the 7 day consecration. Or had they? Moses did tell them (not just Aaron) not to go outside of the Tabernacle (just after Nadab and Eleazar were killed) It appears that Eleazar and Ithamar were also anointed/consecrated as priests, along with the two oldest sons. They had participated in the initial sacrifices of the priestly ministry. (v.19) "Aaron said to Moses, 'Look, THIS DAY they (his sons) have offered their sin offering and their burnt offering before the LORD and such things have befallen me!'" QUESTION: What "things" had "befallen" Aaron on THAT DAY - the day that Eleazar and Ithamar forgot to eat a portion of the sin offering? It would appear that Nadab and Abihu were consumed ON THAT SAME DAY - THE 8TH DAY. That is what caused the distraction. Just my opinion.

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GREGORY Well there has been an increase in both non members===and members dgrimm60

? He loved us ? Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Whats with the "chill" drama? I was only asking questions. I don't see any "heated debate" going on. I would actually like to know where the Bible tells us that those two sets of verses "seem" to tell us about two "different" resurrections, one apparently "just for believers," and the other apparently for "everyone:" If you are unable or unwilling to show me where scripture says that, then NP at all, as I was just asking where you were coming from. Its your choice to reply in whatever fashion you wish; but there's no need to make it personal, and tell someone just asking for more information to "chill." There's no need for that at all; especially since I only asked once, and did not pester in any way.

the text is pretty clear, insofar as WHO is doing what: If the Bible says it, then we cannot argue about it. And, I dont know of any text that says Satan changed himself to get into heaven. Which verse says that in Job? Of course, there is no Messiah, insofar as the "angel of light," but thats the whole point. The reason there is no such thing as a counterfeit three dollar bill, is because there is no such thing as a real three dollar bill. It can only be a counterfeit, if there is the genuine! The text is clear, Satan impersonates Christ, and many people are fooled by this counterfeit. But Satan does present as the counterfeit. The manner of the 2nd coming tells us that there is a way to know the genuine, and in fact, that's why the counterfeit is needed, in Bible prophecy.

where does it say "8th Millenium?"

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IMO it makes no sense to collate two sets of verses like this, and subvert them to two separate ideologies. Where is the scripture telling us to even do that. At a later time I will comment in more detail; but IMO, there is only ONE doctrine of the second coming, not two. And this is just for starters.

I dont see the phrase "8th Millenium" anywhere in Scripture. Not there.

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (2 Cor 11:13-14, KJV) Satan came as an angel of light in the wilderness of temptation to deceive Christ; and he does not come to man in a hideous form, as he is sometimes represented, but as an angel of light. He will come personating Jesus Christ, working mighty miracles; and men will fall down and worship him as Jesus Christ. We shall be commanded to worship this being, whom the world will glorify as Christ. What shall we do?--Tell them that Christ has warned us against just such a foe, who is man's worst enemy, yet who claims to be God; and that when Christ shall make His appearance, it will be with power and great glory, accompanied by ten thousand times ten thousand angels and thousands of thousands; and that when He shall come, we shall know His voice (RH Dec. 18, 1888). {6BC 1105.11}

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GREGORY well that is very interesting==that means that many people are checking out this forum dgrimm60

? many false prophets ? Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.