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I do not believe that everything EGW wrote is in the Bible, nevertheless, I believe what she shared from her visions. What is not in the Bible is not salvational and you do not have to believe it. However, given there was a "silence" of nearly 2000 years from the apostles to EGW, I think we are more than blessed that God chose in the time He did to communicate with us thru another prophet. I am not saying that there were no others who spoke for God during the 2000 years, but no one known like unto EGW. EGW says a lot of things in her writings that are not in the Bible, but are interesting to know. God is a revealer of secrets. Not everything God has ever communicated to people is in the Bible. If you look thru the OT, you will find many books and writings mentioned that we no longer have. They may have been important to the people of their time, and may even have been very spiritually rewarding to still have them, but they are not vital to our salvation. Now you show me where in the Bible it says the resurrection of condemnation happens at the same time as the resurrection of the righteous! You will find pretty much the opposite. Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. It is fairly clear here that a resurrection occurs, and the rest of the people will be raised after 1000 years. Jesus did say "behold I come quickly and my reward is with me." I think for all of His people he will ever save, they have been in the ground long enough. Like the souls under the alter, God is unwilling they should remain dead any longer. Time to release them from the prison of death. God is entirely sufficient to complete His judgement before Jesus comes. While you can believe that people will be saved out of the second resurrection, that is your choice. But from where I am looking into these matters, it is a very dangerous deception. There is a moment when God will say, "Let the filthy be filthy still" and that will be before Jesus comes again, bringing His reward.

Gary Everetts 2013 Study Notes on The Scriptures: Psalms 82:1-8 Psalms 82 Psa_82:1-5 — A Cry for Justice - Psa_82:1-5 is a cry for justice. We see so much injustice and oppression around us. This was the duty of earthly judges (Deu_1:16-17, Jer_22:1-5). Deu_1:16-17, “And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him. Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.” Jer_22:1-5, “Thus saith the LORD; Go down to the house of the king of Judah, and speak there this word, And say, Hear the word of the LORD, O king of Judah, that sittest upon the throne of David, thou, and thy servants, and thy people that enter in by these gates: Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place. For if ye do this thing indeed, then shall there enter in by the gates of this house kings sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, he, and his servants, and his people. But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the LORD, that this house shall become a desolation.” For example, lawyers and judges in America today grant divorces and vote for abortions. They vote prayer out of school. Doing these things against God’s Word will cause Him to disown them. He will judge them Himself. Psa_82:1 (A Psalm of Asaph.) God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. Psa_82:1 — Word Study on “gods” – Strong says the Hebrew word (אֳלהִׁים) (H430) can be translated, “angels, God, gods, judges.” NIV, RSV - gods NASB – the rulers Note other uses of the same Hebrew word (אֳלהִׁים): Exo_21:6, “Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.” Exo_22:8-9, “If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the judges, to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour's goods. For all manner of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, which another challengeth to be his, the cause of both parties shall come before the judges; and whom the judges shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour.” Exo_22:28, “Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.” 1Sa_2:25, “If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.” T he NASB, NIV, and RSV translate the word “judge” in 1Sa_2:25 as “God.” Psa_82:1 — “he judgeth among the gods” - Comments - Deu_6:4 says that YHWH, God, is one YHWH, and Jas_2:19 says, “there is one God.” So, the phrase “the gods” is a reference to something other than more gods who are omnipresent like YHWH. We are those gods (Psa_82:6, Joh_10:34). Deu_6:4, “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:” Psa_82:6, “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” Joh_10:34, “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” Jas_2:19, “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” Psa_82:1 — Comments - Psalms 82 deals with injustice among the judges of Israel. Being a judge was a divine position established by God (Deu_1:17, Rom_13:4). Deu_1:17, “Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.” Rom_13:4, “For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.” Psa_82:1 — — Scripture References - Note similar verses: 2Ch_19:6, “And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.” Ecc_5:8, “If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they.” Isa_3:13-15, “The LORD standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people. The LORD will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses. What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord GOD of hosts.” Psa_82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Psa_82:2 — Comments - Psa_82:2 says that wicked men find favor in judgment. Psa_82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Psa_82:4-5 — Scripture Reference - Note a similar verse: Pro_24:11-12, “If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain; If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?” Psa_82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. Psa_82:4 — Scripture Reference - Note a similar verse: Job_29:12, “Because I delivered the poor that cried, and the fatherless, and him that had none to help him.” Psa_82:3-4 — Comments - Psa_82:3-4 is a cry for justice among the most vulnerable in society, the weak, and the poor. Note 1Ti_2:1-4 regarding praying to God for leaders and justice. 1Ti_2:1-4, “I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” Psa_82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. Psa_82:5 — “They know not, neither will they understand” - Scripture Reference - Note a similar verse: Mic_3:1, “And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?” Psa_82:5 — “all the foundations of the earth are out of course” – Comments - “all the foundations” – Scripture Reference - Note: Psa_11:3, “If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” “are out of course” - Or, the foundations are “shaken” (ASV), “moved” (YLT). Illustration - See the story of Noah and the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis. Rom_8:22, “For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.” Psa_82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Psa_82:6 — — Comments - Jesus quotes Psa_82:6 in Joh_10:34-35. Joh_10:34-35, “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;” According to Joh_10:35, those who are called “gods” are the children who hear and receive the Word of God. Joh_10:35, “If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;” Psa_82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Psa_82:7 — — “But ye shall die like men” – Scripture Reference – Note: Heb_9:27, “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” Psa_82:7 — “and fall like one of the princes” - Comments - When a man’s life is ended, he dies, but when a ruler’s life ends, he falls, in a sense, from his rule as a king. Psa_82:7 — — Comments - Psa_82:7 reflects upon man’s mortality. Note similar verses: Job_21:32, “Yet shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb.” Psa_49:12, “Nevertheless man being in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish.” Eze_31:14, “To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.” Psa_82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. Psa_82:8 — — “Arise, O God” – Scripture Reference - Note: Psa_12:5, “For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.” Psa_82:8 — — “judge the earth” – Scripture Reference - Note: Psa_58:11, “So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.” Psa_82:8 — “for thou shalt inherit all nations” - Comments - This inheritance is forever. Jesus will rule and be King of Kings and Lord of Lords. This is a prophetic verse of the future Judgment Day. Psa_2:8, “Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.” Rev_11:15, “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” Dan_7:14, “And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. it is fairly common knowledge that "elohim" is used at times to denote human agents, of varying description. And certainly Psalms 82 is one of those instances. No "EGW" needed. Most reputable commentators would agree with this. The "versions" you mentioned are questionable at best. I think the UCRT explanation makes much more sense

this is exactly what I have been trying to say. I have no idea how some find "aliens" or "superhumans" or any other of a wide variety of things that are not found anywhere in scripture. I do know that during the time of the end I will not be looking for or waiting for a bunch of Martians, or superhuman giants. I will be looking for, and waiting for Jesus.

Joe: It is an Afro/Asiatic language. We have the Indo European language which includes Iran, India, Pakistan. Russia are all Japheth children languages. Where is Shem? Elamites who they cannot decipher and they have thousands of tablets. The Hebrew nor the Aramaic language fit with Elam who spoke the true Semitic language. They have trace the Phoenician language to include Sinai who by the way come from Canaan, the baby boy of Ham. Sinai is from Ham's son name Sin, who form the Sinite tribe of people. Genesis 10:17 and 1 Chronicles 1:15 They are the one of the ones who spread abroad. The Chinese trace their ancestors back to these people. The Asians are Ham's descendants that why their Script is related to Ham's children. The Dravidian of India were India before the Aryan people from the Caucus Stepps moved into the northern part of India. They are Indo-Aryan people and their languages are a subgroup of the Indo-European language. This is the true historical facts accept the truth about the Hamites have been covered up since the 1600's. We all know the reason why and does not need to continued to be discuss, the truth is known now. Blessings!

It seems that many discussions here get very torturous over minor issues such as who the sons of God are, did angels create new creatures with humans, and any number of other things that we cannot possible even know the answer to in this lifetime. EGW referred to it as "caviling over themes of little importance." I could say more about the angels creating new creatures with humans, but it is not important. I know many do not really accept EGW as having any truth beyond what the Bible says, but she was given visions which many believe came from God and which some feel very blessed to have the understanding of things as illuminated thru the messages she was given to pass on to the rest of God's people. However, as one internet saying goes right now, many have not seriously studied their Bibles, EGW, and other writers in the SDA faith, and it shows! One of the concerns I have is that knowing prophecy will save no one. It is worthy of consideration that probably no one understands prophecy and all those other issues as well as Satan and look where he is destined to end up! (I often wonder what demons, who may be looking over my shoulder as I write think, when they are reminded of their destiny.*) I hear people all the time saying as they give their latest prophecy interpretation, "Gotta get ready, the Lord is coming." Problem is, little time is spent in explaining what you need to do to get ready! I suspicion those so encouraging others to "get ready" have no clear idea how to do that themselves! Just sayin' *Remember when the demons asked Jesus, just before He sent them into the pigs, "Art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"

Psalms 82:1-8 THE JUST JUDGE OF ALL Those described here as gods are evidently the judges and magistrates of Israel. See Joh_10:34. They were intended to be the mouthpiece and representatives of God; but instead, they thought only of their own interests and sought personal aggrandizement. But the psalmist beheld what was veiled from ordinary view-God standing in the midst of His people, judging them Himself and judging their judges. We may have done wrongs of which no judge has convicted us. But God has seen, and unless there is confession, leading to forgiveness, He will certainly punish. Or, we may have been grossly misjudged, and in that case He will vindicate us. Go to Jesus, to whom the Father has committed all judgment, and remember that while all things are naked and open to His eyes, He also is the High Priest who is touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and the Lamb that takes away sin. When the foundations of the earth are out of course, let us remember that we belong to a kingdom that cannot be moved, Heb_12:28. (FB MEYER Commentary) Jesus seems to agree: Think about it, who was Jesus talking to here? "Gods" or "humans?" - from FB Meyer re John 10:34 - from The Robert Hawker Commentary I could go on for a long time on this one.

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Well I can't see how this makes sense. "Immortal" means just that so IF they were immortal, they wouldnt be able to die. There is no evidence in the Bible to support this Nephalim idea of their supposed "immortality." I will cover Psalms 82 in another post. Nothing there about "Nephalims"

I agree, the Bible only says there will be two resurrections, and too many texts have to be stretched to make it fit any other scenario, such as we are seeing here: And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. (Acts 24:15) I am not sure why Ellen White's name has been invoked several times here. Not really a need, nor pertinent to the subject at hand. The Bible supports itself just fine, by itself. If we move from Acts 24:15 onto verse 25, we see why there is no additional second coming. In fact, it makes no sense to say "two second comings" because that would make more a THIRD one rather than two. We call it the second coming now because He has already come once (Incarnation), and I do not have a clue where one would find support for a third coming. That idea doesn't make sense to me. Thats what is NOT in the Bible, unless, as one has a doctrinal aprirori of universalism, where everyone MUST somehow be saved, or perhaps, if one believed in all the milleniums, which to me is akin of our supposed "crime" of quoting EGW when its appropriate. But getting back to verse 25: some people DO DECIDE not in favor of Christ, and elect themselves out of salvation: "And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee. " (Acts 24:25). Felix "almost" became a Christian, and thats the kind of person where Jesus said in Rev 22:11 "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. When Jesus NEXT returns; He has His "reward" with Him at that time. Nothing in scripture to suggest He holds some of that back for a THIRD Coming. He won't force anyone; and He alone knows who He has to pronounce that sentence upon. Rachel; I appreciate very much your zeal for lifting Jesus up; we will likely always disagree on some things which is fine. If I ever saw you stuck on the side of the road; you can bet that Id be stopping to change that flat tire for you. Thanks for your patience in dealing with us all here. :)

O faithless generation Mar 9:19 He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.

5 Things You Didn't Know About The Movie Scarface On December 9, 1983, Al Pacino starred in Scarface, a mobster movie that was so popular it made $4.5 million the first weekend of its release alone. Say hello to our little list of 5 things you didn't know about Brian De Palma’s gangsters-and-cocaine classic... Scarface Was a Remake of an Earlier Movie The original Scarface was a 1932 movie directed by Howard Hawks and Howard Hughes and starred Osgood Perkins and Paul Muni. Martin Bregman, the producer of the newer version, saw the original movie on television late one night and thought it could be a good re-make. The 1983 version, directed by Robert De Palma, and starring Al Pacino, and Michelle Pfeiffer was dedicated to Howard Hawks and the screenwriter of the original film, Ben Hecht. Hecht was the writer for a number of famous films, including Gone With the Wind, Notorious, and Wuthering Heights. Brian De Palma Almost Directed Flashdance Instead Producer Martin Bregman offered De Palma a chance to direct Scarface while the director was filming the 1981 cult classic Blow Out. Initially De Palma said “yes,” but then politely declined as he was too busy. He signed on to direct Flashdance instead in the hopes of getting the producer to greenlight his script on the Yablonski murders. De Palma made it about two weeks into pre-production on the dance flick before quitting. Bregman offered Scarface to De Palma again, and the rest is history. Pacino Was Injured During the Filming of the Movie Pacino was actually injured twice, but the first time was during an audition when a nervous Michelle Pfeiffer was throwing dishes and accidentally cut Pacino with a broken shard. During a filming rehearsal, Pacino mistakenly grabbed the barrel of the prop gun after it had been fired several rounds, and his hand got stuck to the hot barrel. Pacino was unable to work for several weeks because of the burns. After the Film Was Completed, One of the Actresses Disappeared Tammy Lynn Leppert, the 18 year-old actress and model appeared as Manny’s (Steven Bauer) distraction while he was in the lookout car during the infamous chainsaw scene. Leppert was last seen in Cocoa Beach, Florida on July 6, 1983 just five months before Scarface hit theaters. Authorities speculated Leppert may have been three months pregnant at the time of her mysterious disappearance and that her missing persons status could be tied to several serial killers and drug trafficking networks around the area. Her current whereabouts are still unknown. The Rumor That Pacino Used Cocaine on Set During the Filming Is Untrue Although it was a long-time rumor that Pacino was really snorting cocaine in the movie, artificial substitutes for the drug were used that are handled by the prop master. In the past, either powdered milk or baking soda had been used as replacements, but vitamin B powder is used now. Pacino said that snorting the stuff damaged his nasal passages for years afterward.

Yes - I know. You think some people may "survive" the last 7 plagues. Let's say they do. They survive. I'm going with your scenario. The immortal "saints" live with the "survivors" for 1000 years (aprox). THEN "the rest" are resurrected. Many - if not the majority, of the "survivors" did not choose to serve Christ. They've been making trouble for close to 1000 years. Now a whole batch of new babes in the woods have been resurrected. Won't the wicked "survivors" who've been around for 1000 years, quickly try to deceive and corrupt "the rest"? How would those newbies have a chance? The "saints" would have to protect them from the "oldies". How would they do that? OR Would the "survivors" (the ones who refuse Christ) die out over the 1000 years, so there are none of them left when "the rest" are resurrected? This assumes there will be no human reproduction during the 7th millennium.

I found a devotional titled "Who I Am In Christ". I just started it. Understanding who we are "in Christ" is foundational to our strength in the battle. I love the cover. I may buy another one just so I can tear this one off and frame it. I was bought with the greatest price. I am a daughter of God. I am Christ's friend, and His sister. I am a member of Christ's body. I am am confident that the good work HE has begun in me will be perfected. There is nothing that can prevent me becoming the person I was meant to be - in Christ. I am absolutely loved - just as I am. There is nothing that can separate me from the love of God. I am hidden with Christ in God. I am unstoppable - in Christ. I am the salt of the earth. I am forgiven. I have direct access to God the Father - through Christ. I have been brought near. I am united with the LORD. I am one with Him in spirit. I am a saint. I am seated with Christ in heavenly places. (Eph 2:6)

then all five of them make false claims. Its a very poor translation of that passage.

I have 48 different Bible versions, and I see you have picked the only one that makes this false claim. "As it was in the days of Noah," includes much beyond such an isolated idea. This has nothing to do with "nuances" or "interpretations" or "grammar. WHEN context is considered; this will not even enter the minds of anyone still alive when Jesus returns. This has nothing to do with "in the days of Noah," without understanding whats going on. Strongs provides us with some pretty clear context on "the sons of God" re Gen 6:2 Will we have "bullies" and "tyrants" in the last days? Of course we will! We already do! And thats exactly what Noah was dealing with too. Im still looking for a text that says "Jesus will return twice." Its not in any of the Bibles that I have. If He can't do it right the first time then why on earth do we even talk about Him?

Believeth in Him ? Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

I am sorry that you were only conferring with Joe. However, we are here and we are suppose to be on the road to salvation. My concerns and I do respect Joe and he knows it, that we need to know the meaning of ancient words. No glory, no fame, just concern for truth and justice according to the Bible. Do we all have to make a choice, yes! But the Bible is clear about the word and that is where I stand. I am not here about forcing anyone, I here because I am committed to present the truth. I cannot save or make anyone believe; that's THE HOLY SPIRIT'S Work. Nothing can take the place of truth and it is sad to me that people get angry when we are to comment base on truth and facts. I run into the same attitude with people on the Commandments when giving Bible Studies. They see it but refuse to accept it. So that is all I can do is to present it and leave it up to THE HOLY SPIRIT and that individual to accept what he/she have read from the Bible. I want all of us to be saved and I hope you do to. We all have to accept some things we use to believe and learn the truth about it. My mother already believe in the Sabbath, but had to give up pork that she loved. It was hard but she gave it up. I was a child and I remember because she was looking for those who kept the Sabbath. We all, including me believe things in error at one time, but the question is when we see the truth are we willing to give it up. I am determine not to miss out on Heaven and I will give up anything that is against YAHWEH'S Standards. I have and I will continue. I love you all and all I can do is to pray and leave the rest to THE HOLY SPIRIT! Blessings on You!

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