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Sorry, it is not an idiom, it is the way it is written in the Bible. The Babylonians may also have started their days at the evening, but then that in no way negayes the Bible instructions that the Sabbath starts on the evening of the sixth day at sundown. From the Hebrew Bible And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night, and it was evening and it was morning, one day. וַיִּקְרָ֨א אֱלֹהִ֤ים | לָאוֹר֙ י֔וֹם וְלַח֖שֶׁךְ קָ֣רָא לָ֑יְלָה וַֽיְהִי־עֶ֥רֶב וַֽיְהִי־בֹ֖קֶר י֥וֹם אֶחָֽד: So, I take my bible as it reads and not some "explanation" of how culture changed the idioms. BTW, your argument is getting ready to blowup! Boom! Just blew up. from even unto even! I do not recall ever hearing anyone Jewish claiming to be able to make binding laws changing days and times. So, not buying this argument either.

I agree, totally. There are some rather dubious "psychological profiles" being exercised here, for sure. Its called social engineering. I guess thats the only reason I even say anything re "picking on Greta" as its not directed at you, in any way - you just happened to bring up the subject, but I am concerned at what others, (adults) are doing to her. As you know I have been posting on another web site about all things "climate change" and I am careful to not go there to the place where I am criticising her, personally. I have no problem in myself or others questioning the ideas she puts forth. Rebel News Media (so-called) is one that I think of. I publically called them out for their garbage reporting that seemed so delighted with catching the poor girl with a few scraps of single-use plastics, or whatever. People attack her personally and it not only concerns me about what the adults who are "guiding" or "coaching" her, (I use the words loosely), but also what the hard-core critics are doing to her with such criticisms that attack her personally.

Oh, there are more than one difference between Catholics and SDAs regarding the 10 commandments. You seem comfortable with people changing things as noted in your previous post. Catholics did eliminate the 2nd commandment which allows you to keep all your statutes and and other images of saints which get prayed to and from which miracles seem to occur. The fourth commandment was gutted and moved to the third spot in the order. Gone is the reference to the specific day of rest and the authority by which God claims His right to be worshipped on the day of His designation. You only have a general reference for keeping "a" sabbath day.

Hello Gustave. Thank you for this reply. I am quite happy to see you back on the forum with us firing a few shots of your own. :) I have to take a short pause, as other duties call. Ill give this all some prayer and thought, till next time. take care my friend. :)

It is my current understanding that one of the more revered apologists, Jimmy Akin, (Catholic version of EGW?) likely has not listened to himself talk about this subject lately. Here is what he says about why we dont have to keep the Sabbath on the seventh-day: Akin's appeal goes FIRST to the "authority" of the RCC In another topic, from the same book, Akin says the following: So, the Catholics do admit that the preparation day IS and always WAS Friday. Which is, of course, correct. They also cede that the seventh-day Sabbath WAS Saturday, or the 7th day. Soooo....if THAT Sabbath was "changed" then how come those other days didn't change too? Methinks a few more "steps" are needed to become that "better apologist." Can anyone in the room tell us what the missing piece is here?

I agree with the above, for sure. I try not to get into a lot of "original language" stuff because sometimes its so open to interpretation" that its literally a closed subject. One of the best ways to decide what day is the official Sabbath day, is to simply look at what day was the "preparation day." It sure was not ever Saturday or Sunday! People need to get back to the CONTEXT of verses instead of isolating them into a "better" interpretation. Without the Bible's EXPRESS context, it means very little, and in fact, is NOT Biblical, just because the person "quotes" scripture. Thats kind of like thinking if you say the word Jesus, you can do whatever you want after saying that! Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Mat 7:21) That means not everyone who says the word Jesus...the NAME of Jesus is different than the word Jesus. The NAME of Jesus is His character. The NAME of Jesus is in the character of His people. The NAME of Jesus is not the word Jesus.

When you put yourself out in the public eye you will attract attention in different ways. I agree with leaving the kids of public figures, such as Chelsea Clinton when she was a minor and Barron Trump out of the public discussion. Unfortunately, lefties have gone after children of public figures in some very nasty ways. However, Greta has taken an unpopular position and inserted herself into the public arena so she gets to endure the opposing viewpoints. I suspect she may be used for that very reason, to be able to say what she does then have others say you are beating up on a little girl and therefore you can not disagree with her!

? Stayed on Thee ? Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

I think some people only want to read about "their" day. And thats what misses the whole point of the text. It says "the Sabbath of The Lord Thy God." I had someone earlier this week say to me "Can you tell me more about "your" Sabbath; and that was the first thing I said to them, that it isn't "my Sabbath;" it's God's.

5 Things You Didn't Know About The South Pole On January 18, 1912, English explorer Robert F. Scott and his expedition reached the South Pole, only to discover that Roald Amundsen had arrived there first. Here are 5 things you didn't know about Antarctica... It Wasn't Seen by Humans Until 1820 The Russians first spotted Antarctica in 1820, but they didn’t stop by to visit its icy barrenness. It was a Connecticut seal hunter named John Davis who first landed on the shores of Antarctica, supposedly in search of prey to hunt. A Norwegian explorer, Roald Amundsen, arrived on Antarctica in 1911, followed by an expedition led by Englishman Robert F. Scott. The Largest Desert in The World is in The Antarctic When we think of deserts, we usually think of the Sahara, the Gobi, the Kalahari, etc. Deserts tend to be very warm and sandy. However, the technical criteria for an area to qualify as a desert is just for there to be very little precipitation — less than 25 centimeters per year, to be precise. Most of Antarctica is too cold to allow for precipitation in the form of rain or snow, so approximately 5.5 million square miles of the continent is a desert — the largest desert in the World, in fact. It’s even theorized that some parts of the Antarctic desert haven’t had any form of precipitation for two million years! Antarctica Has no Time Zones Since we created time zones based on longitude, how do you create a time zone where all of the zones meet? That’s why there is no official time zone for the Antarctic. As a result of this (and the continent’s large size) there is no official time zone for any region of Antarctica. However, the various research stations scattered around the continent tend to observe either the time zone of the country the researchers come from or just the time zone of the nearest country. Antarctica is The Only Continent on The Planet Without Reptiles Reptiles fall into one of the five main vertebrate categories, along with birds, mammals, amphibians, and fish. Reptiles come in thousands of different variations, shapes and sizes, and they can be found on every single continent on Earth… except Antarctica. This is because reptiles have no way to warm their bodies up, which means they rely on the sun and the ambient temperature to stay alive. Needless to say, the coldest content on Earth is no friend to reptiles. Sled Dogs Are Banned in Antarctica Back in 1911, sled dogs hauled supplies for Norwegian explorers led by Roald Amundsen which was the first expedition to reach the South Pole. Roald Amundsen's expedition was planned around 97 sled dogs. Afterwards, sled dogs were kept and used in Antarctica for years. However, they were banned from the continent in 1993 by the Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty due to fear that they might transmit diseases such as canine distemper to the Antarctic seals or would escape and disturb the local wildlife.

Trent says that man is not commanded by Nature to observe a Sabbath on the 7th day [ and this is most certainly true ]. Man is certainly not commanded by Nature to observe a day of atonement on the tenth day of the 7th month starting on evening of the 9th day. This is really not that complicated. The New Testament is explicit that God, by Divine Fiat, declared all foods clean (Mark 7, 19). In just as clear of language the Sabbath was said to be fulfilled by Christ and therefore "not obligatory" for Christians (Galations 4, 10 / Colossians 2, 16-17). However, according to the New Testament, it WAS A SIN for Christians NOT TO ASSEMBLE THEMSELVES together. I think most SDA's wouldn't eat a BLT because they think God doesn't want them too because it's "unclean" and spelled out not to do it in Leviticus. So, just like the clear instruction about foods in Mark 7 the issue of the Sabbath is treated the same way. Hebrews 10,24: And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." That says that the sin itself is Christians not assembling THEMSELVES together. There is only one day the New Testament says that Christians assembled "themselves" together on. I don't think the Bible could much clearer that its a real mistake to think you're getting extra credit for observing any of Judaism's Liturgical Feasts.

"And the evening and the morning were the" 1st, 2nd, etc day is a Hebrew Idiom that simply means that the day was understood to be over at sunrise the following day. God completed what was started during the daylight period and this was followed by morning - when morning came it closed out the prior day by ushering in a new day. The "Babylonians" started their day on the evening prior. What I'm saying can be seen / understood by looking at Leviticus 23: Verses 26 -32: And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord. And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God. For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people. And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people. Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath So, the day of Atonement was on the tenth day of the seventh month HOWEVER it was to be observed between the evening of the 9th day through to the evening of the 10th day. "IT" [ day of Atonement] was to be unto the Israelite's, a sabbath of rest. This was specific to the day of Atonement as can be seen by looking at Verse 3: "six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; Ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord". This is confirmed by Leviticus 7,15 & Leviticus 7, 16 which states that: Leviticus 7,15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving SHALL BE EATEN THE SAME DAY IT WAS OFFERED; HE SHALL NOT LEAVE ANY OF IT UNTIL THE MORNING. Leviticus 7,16 BUT if the sacrifice of his offering be a VOW or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice AND ON THE MORROW ALSO the remainder of it shall be eaten. These texts are saying that to be in compliance with the Peace Offering for thanksgiving the Penitent was required to eat the sacrifice on the same day it was killed and had UNTIL the next morning to eat it and still be in compliance - furthermore, the next verse makes it clear that the vow or voluntary sacrifice could be eaten on the same day it was offered AND "ON THE MORROW" [ or next day the remaining could be eaten ]. If one made a sacrifice on the 3rd day at 11:30AM and had to eat it THE SAME DAY it was offered AND had until sunrise of the 4th day to complete consuming the sacrifice the evening of the 3rd day belonged or was part of the 3rd day all the way up into the morning or sunrise of the 4th day. Further clarification is given in Exodus 16 where Moses tells the Children of Israel "on the 6th day": "This is that which the Lord has said, TO MORROW is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord" They had until morning to prepare it how they wanted it "and they laid it up till the morning......" thus "the evening and the morning, the 6th day" and Moses says: And Moses said, eat that today FOR TODAY [morning of the 7th day] is a sabbath unto the Lord....." Numbers 11,31 And there went forth a wind from the Lord, and it brought quails from the sea, and let them fall beside the camp, about a day’s journey on this side and a day’s journey on the other side, round about the camp, and about two cubits above the face of the earth. And the people rose all that day, and all night, and all the next day, and gathered the quails; he who gathered least gathered ten homers; and they spread them out for themselves all around the camp As you can see "all night" belonged to the day proceeding it - "all night" was not part of the next day. Also a New Testament reference for your consideration. Acts 27, 27 When the fourteenth night had come, as we were drifting across the sea of A′dria, about midnight the sailors suspected that they were nearing land. So they sounded and found twenty fathoms; a little farther on they sounded again and found fifteen fathoms. And fearing that we might run on the rocks, they let out four anchors from the stern, and prayed for day to come. And as the sailors were seeking to escape from the ship, and had lowered the boat into the sea, under pretense of laying out anchors from the bow, Paul said to the centurion and the soldiers, “Unless these men stay in the ship, you cannot be saved.” Then the soldiers cut away the ropes of the boat, and let it go. As day was about to dawn, Paul urged them all to take some food, saying, “Today is the fourteenth day that you have continued in suspense and without food, having taken nothing.Therefore I urge you to take some food; it will give you strength, since not a hair is to perish from the head of any of you.” And when he had said this, he took bread, and giving thanks to God in the presence of all he broke it and began to eat. "When the 14th night had come" it was STILL understood to be part of the 14th day [not the start of the 15th]. The Jews admit that they "traditionally" observe the sabbath starting on the evening of the 6th day because they had the authority to make such binding laws. This is how Judaism worked and I'm not slandering it in the least. I have ZERO problems of SDA's Devotion of the Sabbath, more power to you. I'm just saying you may not know how you are celebrating the Sabbath is part "Tradition".