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The Godhead
Kevin H and 2 others reacted to LynnDel for a topic
I had noticed that Paul often starts and/or ends his letters giving honor to God, Jesus, and sometimes the Holy Spirit, so I went through them to check. Here is my report, using the ESV. New Testament books greetings and closings (G = God, J = Jesus, S = Son, H = Holy Spirit) G JS H Romans 1:1-8 G J Romans 16:25-27 G J 1 Corinthians 1:1-4 J 1 Corinthians 16:23 G J 2 Corinthians 1:1-2 G J H 2 Corinthians 13:14 G J Galatians 1:1-3 J Galatians 6:18 G J H Ephesians 1:3, 13 G J Ephesians 6:23 G J Philippians 1:2 J Philippians 4:21, 23 G J Colossians 1:1-2 G JS H 1 Thessalonians 1:1-5, 10 J 1 Thessalonians 5:28 G J 2 Thessalonians 1:1-2 J 2 Thessalonians 3:18 G J 1 Timothy 1:1-2 G J 1 Timothy 6:11-16 G J 2 Timothy 1:1-2 G J Titus 1:1-4 J H Titus 3:5-6 G J Philemon 3 J Philemon 23 (Jesus G JS Hebrews 1:1-2 G J Hebrews 13:20-21 G J James 1:1 G J H 1 Peter 1:2-3 G J 1 Peter 5:14 (Jesus) G J 2 Peter 1:1-2 G JS 1 John 1:3-4 G J 1 John 5:20 G JS 2 John 1 G JS 2 John 9 G JS Jude 1 G J H Jude 20, 25 G J Revelation 1:1-2 G J ? Revelation 22:17-213 points -
Why Should I Believe?
phkrause and one other reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Why should I believe in the validity of the New Testament? Why should I believe that Christ rose from the dead? Powerful preachers exist in Adventism, whom I never mention in comments that I post in this forum. A new one has arisen on the Adventist scene who cannot be ignored and demands my recognition. That person is Shane Anderson, the senior pastor at Andrews University. The following is an exceptional series of sermons. # 1: https://www.pmchurch.org/service/2026/03/07/part-1-sahara-surprise # 2: https://www.pmchurch.org/service/2026/03/28/part-2-when-knowing-truth-not-enough # 3: https://www.pmchurch.org/service/2026/04/04/part-3-tomb-raider2 points -
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Warning to Pay Attention
phkrause and one other reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2 For since the message spoken through angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, 3 how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? Hebrews 2 New International Version We are warned not to drift away. Over the years, I have seen many people drift away. Studying the word of God every day, keeps us from drifting away. I have never seen someone drift away who was studying the bible every day.2 points -
Do All Religions Lead To God?
phkrause and one other reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
There are many in our church who believe that we have the truth, and that only people who fit a certain mold will be in heaven. Philippines is about 80% catholic. Probably more in my area. There are MANY devoted catholics here. I have had the opportunity to visit, get to know and observe. The faith and dedication to God that some of these people have is humbling. They don't have the truth we have, but they have the faith the bible talks about. Complete trust in God. Sometimes, we are not so smart as we think we are.2 points -
Dr Arthur Willard Weaver , Michigan
phkrause and one other reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
I was talking to a friend in Michigan this week. He was at Dr Weavers church about 6 months ago. The Doc was teaching his regular Sabbath school. At 102 years old. They had a birthday party for him at the church when he turned 100. I bet it was well attended. He held stop smoking clinics all over the Detroit area for many years. Some of those former smokers are members of that church.2 points -
Dr Arthur Willard Weaver , Michigan
phkrause and one other reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
Arthur Weaver was 102 years old. He had cancer surgery about two years ago. He was ill with a cold, that later must have become worse. He founded a church with help of others in Plymouth Michigan. It is in a residential area. Very peaceful surroundings. There is one long winding driveway. On the way out is a small sign. I will paraphrase it from memory. You are now entering the most difficult mission field in the world.2 points -
The Texas Ten Commandments Poster Decision: Should Adventists Sit This One Out?
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
On April 21, 2026, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a Texas law called Senate Bill 10. The vote was 9 to 8. The law says every public school… The post The Texas Ten Commandments Poster Decision: Should Adventists Sit This One Out? appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
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Nedra Talley Ross
Kevin H reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
Nedra Talley Ross, the last surviving member of the legendary 1960s girls group The Ronettes, has died at the age of 80. Her death was announced on social media by her daughter. No cause of death was given. “At approximately 8:30 (Sunday) morning our mother Nedra Talley Ross went home to be with the Lord,” the post said. “She was safe in her own bed at home with her family close, knowing she was loved. Thank you, Lord.” A post on the group’s Facebook page called Ross “a light to those who knew and loved her.” “As a founding member of The Ronettes, along with her beloved cousins Ronnie (Spector) and Estelle (Bennett Vann), Nedra’s voice, style and spirit helped define a sound that would change music. Her contribution to the group’s story and their defining influence will live forever. “Rest peacefully dear Nedra. Thanks for the magic.” The Ronettes originated in New York City and were signed by Phil Spector‘s Philles Records in 1963. They went on to place nine singles in Billboard’s Hot 100. Their iconic hits include “Be My Baby,” “Baby I Love You,” “Walking in the Rain” and “I Can Hear Music.” Variety reports the group released only one studio album but were cited as an influence by multiple acts over decades, including the New York Dolls, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, the Ramones and Blondie. The Rolling Stones opened for The Ronettes during a tour of the United Kingdom in 1964, The Guardian reports. The Ronettes opened for the Beatles during a tour in 1966. The Ronettes broke up in 1967, The Guardian reports. “I hated the ‘dog-eat-dog’ side of show-business,” Talley Ross said. “I hated pushing for the next record and the feeling of failure if we didn’t get it. There was a continual demand on us to produce that I thought was unfair. My personality didn’t like that.” Talley Ross also cited her religious beliefs for leaving the group, saying she wanted to focus on her family. According to The Hollywood Reporter, she recorded several Christian songs after leaving The Ronettes. Bennett died in 2009, while Ronnie Spector died in 2022. The Ronettes were inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2007.1 point -
Joe Mulhattan
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Joe Mulhattan, sometimes spelled with variations of his name, was a well-known American in his time. Today he is little known. Yet, there are multiple Internet websites that tell his story. My position on him is that his story has lessons for us today. The following two links will provide you with interesting information that could include stories in sermons today. The following link tells you the story of a man called a "professional liar," and the author of more hoaxes than any other person. https://hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/joseph_mulhattan/ The following link actually provides actual hoax's that he published: https://hatch.kookscience.com/wiki/Joseph_Mulhatton1 point -
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Breaking: High Court Takes up Religious Exemption to Colorado Preschool Nondiscrimination Law
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
Today, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a short order agreeing to review a significant free exercise case arising from Colorado’s Universal Preschool Program, granting certiorari in St. Mary Catholic Parish… The post Breaking: High Court Takes up Religious Exemption to Colorado Preschool Nondiscrimination Law appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Fifth Circuit Upholds Texas Law Requiring Ten Commandments in Classrooms
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit reversed a lower court injunction, ruling that the mandatory display of the Ten Commandments in public schools does not violate the… The post Fifth Circuit Upholds Texas Law Requiring Ten Commandments in Classrooms appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
The Crooked Diamond: How Slave Traders Reshaped the Nation’s Capital
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
This article is part of ReligiousLiberty.TV’s ongoing series marking the 250th anniversary of the United States, examining the constitutional compromises, legal ambiguities, and democratic deficits that have shaped American governance… The post The Crooked Diamond: How Slave Traders Reshaped the Nation’s Capital appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
When the Shepherd Doubts the Garden: Do American Pastors Truly Believe the Bible?
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
There is something quietly heartbreaking in a survey that should have been unremarkable. Someone asked American pastors whether they believed Adam and Eve were real people. It is the kind… The post When the Shepherd Doubts the Garden: Do American Pastors Truly Believe the Bible? appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
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Breaking: High Court Takes up Religious Exemption to Colorado Preschool Nondiscrimination Law
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
Today, the U.S. The post Breaking: High Court Takes up Religious Exemption to Colorado Preschool Nondiscrimination Law appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
1844-1888
phkrause reacted to Hanseng for a topic
When you find one who has studied Luther on Galatians and disputes that Luther said the law was abrogated for the Christian more than 40 times, let me know. Send me an email address and I will personally contact "your guy" or guys and ask the following questions: 1. Do you deny that, in his Galatians commentary, Luther used the term "abrogated" with regard to the law in the Christian's life, more than 40 times? 2. Is there a place in Luther's writings where he explicitly refers to the third use of law in a manner similar to Melanchthon and Calvin? "What constitutes a Lutheran pastor" Are you serious? That's like saying an SDA pastor's definition of Adventism accurately portrays what EGW wrote. That only shows how superficial your knowledge is. You understand neither Luther on Galatians or EGW and Adventism. I surveyed a small group of theology students at an SDA college. All but one had been in SDA schools their entire life. Aside from a few chapters in Desire of Ages, most of them had not read a single book of hers. One who had worked in healthcare had read Ministry of Healing or parts of it. The one fellow who had done any real reading of her work was a recent convert, an older student who never attended Adventist K-12. If you want to discuss Luther on Galatians, read it, study it, so you know what you are talking about. You obviously do not. If your "hired guns" agree with you, they don't either. Remarks like this do not merit a response.1 point -
The borrowed sanctuary: how institutional grievance became prophecy in Berrien Springs this weekend
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
They met in a Methodist church because they couldn’t meet in an Adventist one. The post The borrowed sanctuary: how institutional grievance became prophecy in Berrien Springs this weekend appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
What Foods are Forbidden or to be avoided.
phkrause reacted to Hanseng for a topic
An infection with constant high fevers will take a lot of weight off in a hurry ~ 10 pounds a week. Dengue fever is also a good appetite suppressant with corresponding weight loss. For sociopathic types "crank" works wonders. A physician I used to work for guaranteed a 2 pound a week weight loss for those willing to walk ~ 1.5 hours a day and approximate EGW's ideal diet, i.e., 2 meals a day, no oils, vegan.1 point -
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Has your voice been lost here?
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
I was told by a couple if people that they could not express their voice here, they provided no other info. We have provide seperate forum for some to share their new thoughts on biblical teachings.1 point -
When Caesar Calls the Bishop: The Pentagon Told the Vatican's Ambassador That God Is on America's Side. The Pope Disagrees.
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
WASHINGTON — When the most powerful military in human history summons a priest and tells him to fall in line, something has shifted in the architecture of American power. That… The post When Caesar Calls the Bishop: The Pentagon Told the Vatican's Ambassador That God Is on America's Side. The Pope Disagrees. appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
Protein
phkrause reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
2 / 12 Guava Guava is one of the most protein-rich fruits around. You’ll get a whopping 4.2 grams of the stuff in every cup. This tropical fruit is also high in vitamin C and fiber. Slice it up or bite right into it like an apple. You can even eat the seeds and skin, so there’s nothing to clean up! ------------ Filipinos love this fruit. Every tree is picked bare. Sometimes they can't wait for it to ripen. I find the taste bland. I never eat it. I leave it for them because they enjoy it so much. Avocado We have vine ripe avocadoes here. They grow in peoples yards, and they pick them and sell them. Many different varieties. Jackfruit We have two Jackfruit trees that produce a fruit about the size of two bowling balls. As one is picked, it is cut into 5 or 6 sections and shared with neighbors. Always gone within hours. It takes 3 months for the fruit to grow and mature, and it is gone in hours. Bananas We have about 6 or 7 types of bananas here. Very popular. On the table every week. Grapefruit We have pomelo here. A little larger, sweeter. Many trees in neighbors yards.1 point -
The Investigative Judgment or Pre-Advent Judgement.
Kevin H reacted to Hanseng for a topic
If you want to study SDA history, read the periodical articles on the SDA archives site [too many]. You can also do topical studies on EGW sites. I'm posting articles on the Jesuits from old Review articles. Once you find a topic which interests you, for example "investigative judgment," plug it into a search of pioneer writings to find the writings of various individuals. You can also download .pdf files of periodical articles and use the search function to identify terms such as "Jesuits" "Investigative Judgment," "make" or "declare" righteous. Maintain a narrow focus. Specific time period, specific topic. For early SDA history, EGW's lifetime is the limit I once took an independent study course with Fred Veltman. First I wanted to study the Biblical doctrine of perfection. Too big a topic, he said, for a single quarter course. We finally narrowed it down to perfection in the book of Hebrews, which was manageable for a single course. Perfection could have worked for a doctoral thesis, not a single academic quarter. When he did his EGW study, he limited his work to a limited number of chapters. He didn't do the entire book. When I studied Waggoner, I limited the study to his use of the terms "imputation," "make righteous," and "declare righteous." Find the passages which elaborate on the topic rather than just mention it. Avoid special pleading, that is comments which only sustain your prejudices. Waggoner used both terms "make" and "declare" righteous, although his emphasis was on "make righteous" from Romans 5 "many shall be made righteous." Check out Cleansanctuary. blogspot.com for other examples.1 point -
Great Photo Shots!
Rahab reacted to phkrause for a topic
🎈 Parting shot: Aerial views Photo: Shane Savitsky Speaking of the sky — Axios editor Shane Savitsky has had some airtime of his own. He snapped this shot from a hot air balloon over Teotihuacan outside Mexico City in 2022, iPhone 12 Mini in hand. 🪂 Our inbox is open at finishline@axios.com for your parting shots!1 point -
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Our Message
phkrause reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
"We can't spend our time always looking for a tragedy, here and there. A tragedy here, another one there, that could motivate us to be prepared to the second coming of Jesus. No, our message is not a message of fear or sensationalism. It is a message based on hope, security not anxiety and fear. We are moved by hope." Pastor Erton C. Köhler What a breath of fresh air.1 point -
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Has he returned?
phkrause reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
That is just weird. We have never in the history of America had a president that behaved like this.1 point -
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Science/The bible
phkrause reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
The following is an official statement from the Pacific Union Conference, and the author of the article: https://www.adventistfaith.com/news/a-message-to-our-community-regarding-honoring-god-through-science-and-scripture/1 point -
Trying to Understand What Trump Is Doing
phkrause reacted to news for a topic
Another essay from Michael Peabody, balanced the political perspective in his last essay. I find his work very relevant and balanced. I share for the benefit of readers who value my opinion. The Art of the Ultimatum: Trump, Iran, and the Importance of Being PresidentialReligiousLiberty.TV Apr 7 This essay does not exist to defend what […] The post Trying to Understand What Trump Is Doing appeared first on Jon Paulien's Blog. View the full article1 point -
Why “Christian” Antisemitism Is Making a Dangerous Comeback
phkrause reacted to Kevin H for a topic
God offered the Hebrews two different paths for sharing the gosple. We can call the one "Land Theology" or "Land Eschatology" the other we can call "Exile Theology" or "Exile Eschatology". The "land of Israel" is called a land flowing with milk and honey. In our modern western culture that term has come to mean everything wonderful. However, to the ancient world, these terms were descriptions of geography. I've gone into details, but lands of "honey" or "preserved foods" indicated good agricultural land, a life generally predictable, fairly easy, and exciting. Lands of "milk" came from herd animals moving around deserts, a life generally unpredictable, a lot of hard work and lonely. Biblical Canaan/Israel is about 150 miles long by 50 miles wide. In most of the world you find great streaches of the same type of geography. In this land Europe, Africa, Asia, and Arabia all meet. The elements of these lands meet and compete here, and especially the weather generalized in each of these areas are fighting each other over this small piece of land. The geography changes quickly in fairly short areas. Trying to life with the idiosyncrasies of this piece of property, the Canaanites developed some horrible superstitions, that was harmful to themselves, and even more so people passing through the land. This piece of property also happened to be the major intersection for the great trade routes between Europe, Africa, Asia and Arabia. The Canaanite superstitions, trying to gain control over the elements of milk and honey, ended up making this land one of, if not the most dangerous place on earth. The Hebrews were to first of all make this most important intersection safe. They were to replace the complicated Canaanite religion with it's dangerous superstitions, to a simple religion worshiping the one God who is the God of the whole world, and all the aspects of our lifes, all the milk and honey that life throws at us. The caravans will notice the change, and bring stories of these people, the new found safety in the land, and their simple religion to the world. God would bless them, nations will come and learn about their God, and either join in the worship of this God or reject it. The world would end in a great eschatological war. (Actually, by a wonderful king that they had, but rejected and killed would raise up and the wicked seeing this king in all his glory will have their hearts fail them and they die.) If unfaithful, God would allow curses (allowing more of the milky aspects of the land) to encourage them to change. If nothing else works, they would go into exile. In exile they were to share with their neighbors their unfaithfulness and God's faithfulness and thus share the gospel with their neighbors in the lands they were scattered to. The exile would end in a second great exodus lead by the messiah. In summary: In the land, being quite litterally in the center of the ancient world, they would make the land safe, they would deal with what ever aspects of milk or honey life threw at them and trust in their one God of milk and honey. The caravans would carry stories about these people to the world and the world would come to them. In exile they were to go inton all the world and spread the gospel. The exile would give the same picture to the Hebrews in the ancient world as the idea of Sunday Law does to the typical Adventist. But all is focused on spreading the gospel. We had the Assyrian then Babylonian exile. Then instead of returning in the second great exodus lead by the messiah, but a lack luster return with another 70 weeks of years (and longer) to follow the plan for living in the land. Then came the exile of 70 AD, all of God's children were to go ye into all the world to share the gospel. With the age of navagation, and even more so the age of aviation, this piece of property no longer was the center of the world. This destroys the framework of how God offered to use them in the land. Sadly, too many Charistians grab on to either the heresy of "replacement theology" or "Dispensationalism". "Replacement theology" says that the church has replaced Israel. However, all of us who love the Lord, are living under God's plan for using his people in the framework of exile: Go ye into all the world and share the gospel, and the exile will end in a second great exodus lead by the Messiah when our Lord comes in the clouds and takes us to the true promised land of heaven. God can use all, Jews, Gentiles in this framework. "Dispensationalism" says that the Jews need to be back in the land and fulfill the framework of how God offered to use them in the land, and then the "Christians" can be raptured away while the Jews go through the great tribulation. But the Jews cannot fill this mission any more since the age of navigation and aviation and mass communication does not make the process of living in the land safe for the caravans and them bringing messages of these people and their God to the whole world. Sadly, the Jews suffered much by antisemitism over the centuries. This breaks God's heart. In 1844 the Edict of Toleration allowed the Jews to return to this land. Around the same time the world got the telegraph that improved communication. Charlie Goodyear got patened his new form of rubber that improved the industural revolution and transportation. A few years before the Rosetta Stone was deciphered which opened the door to understanding ancient languages. And in the 1830s Edward Robinson had his first visit to the Holy Land and had just published his findings. His visit was the first serious, scientific study of Bible Geography which has lead to Bible Archaeology. We entered an age of being able to investigate the pages of scripture as never before. In 1844, while still serving under the framework of the exile, and NOT the framework of what God offered to do in the land. But the modern Jew has a new job of protecting the geography and history of the land so that we can freely study the context of the Bible. Therefore, I do see the return to the location as having covanant significance. But it is NOT what the Dispensationalists are looking for. And the people living in the land do not follow the horrible choices of the Canaanites. Many are faithful Christians. They need to be treated with respect and learn how to share the land. Dispensationalism does not allow for the proper treatment of how those in the land should relate to their neighbors. They also have neighbors who want to forget the history and what happened. Jews today do protect this, allows us to study the Bible better in context and as we learn more about the Bible, the more we learn about the God of the Bible. This can deepen our love for God and improve our sharing the gospel with our nieghbor so that this exile can end in the promised second great exodus lead by the Messiah to the true promised home. 1844 is an amazing year. Above I mentioned three events that actually happened that year as well as two others that were recent and were starting to have an effect on the world. Also, that year the world was also introduced to evolution as the source of life, and growing out of the French Revolution and it's restults, communism with it's lessening of religion and encouraging atheism (and evolution as the source of life does away with the need for God.) The Jews have had members who have stood firm over the hardships of history. Many have trusted God to deal with the milk and honey aspects that life has thrown to them. Many faced gas chanbers singing the Psalms. And they felt a special connection to the land that protects the land for us to use the land in getting a deeper understanding of the Bible. No wonder Satan wants to attack them with increased antisemitism from both the right and the left.1 point -
Easter Celebrations are Worship of the Sun
phkrause reacted to Kevin H for a topic
David was NOT worshiping the sun. He was worshiping the Lord. However, you cannot try to explain away what the text says because you don't like it. David, in his worship of the Lord, brought the ark into Jerusalem in the same ritual that the Pagans used to bring their gods into the temples on Easter Sunday morning.1 point -
Jesus
phkrause reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
As the people looked upon [Jesus], they saw a face where divine compassion was blended with conscious power. Every glance of the eye, every feature of the countenance, was marked with humility, and expressive of unutterable love. He seemed to be surrounded by an atmosphere of spiritual influence. While His manners were gentle and unassuming, He impressed men with a sense of power that was hidden, yet could not be wholly concealed. Desire of Ages, pp. 137, 138.1 point -
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No Creed But the Bible: How One Adventist Conference Got It Right on Speaker Guidelines
phkrause reacted to Stan for a topic
The Northern New England Conference voted to reject speaker restrictions. That is not a doctrinal retreat. It is the most historically Adventist position available. The post No Creed But the Bible: How One Adventist Conference Got It Right on Speaker Guidelines appeared first on ReligiousLiberty.TV. View the full article1 point -
AIPAC
Kevin H reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
This lobbing group has received a lot of attention recently. They claim to have 5 million members and are reported to be one of the most powerful lobbing groups. Thomas Massie, from Kentucky has created a large controversy about this group. Even accusing them of trying to unseat him. On the internet there are a large number of Anti-Jewish people. Now with this war, the Anti Jew, Anti AIPAC is growing to a fever pitch. I am concerned where this is going. I have an (Old) Adventist friend who was put in a concentration camp in Europe. His whole family was imprisoned because they keep the Sabbath. They considered them as Jews. As this Anti-Jewish sentiment grows, I am concerned about backlash against Seventh-day Adventists, because they keep the Sabbath.1 point -
Some Spiritual Thoughts on the Iran War
phkrause reacted to news for a topic
The following blog is from Marcos Torres, who offers an apolitical analysis of the Iran war with a special focus on how followers of Jesus can and should look at these things. I thought it was worth sharing with my audience. Used with permission: I’m an Ordained SDA Minister. Here’s What I Think About the […] The post Some Spiritual Thoughts on the Iran War appeared first on Jon Paulien's Blog. View the full article1 point -
One of my favourite quotes
Kevin H reacted to phkrause for a topic
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Who are the twenty four elders of Revelation?
Challenger reacted to Joe Knapp for a topic
I do not believe the 24 Elders are symbolic. Based on this, I believe they were from Earth. Overcomers, as Revelation calls it. Certainly Enoch and Moses would fit the title. I am inclined to believe others came from the resurrection, and were the first fruits offering.1 point -
SDAs, The Trinity & Christ Sinning
Enabled reacted to JoeMo for a topic
According to Catholic tradition there was a pope. If there was a Pope, it would have been Pope James - Jesus' brother as he appeared to make many of the decisions. and He was in Jerusalem - not Rome. There is no biblical record of Peter ever being in Rome. If he were, why didn't Paul tell Peter "hello" in his epistle to the Romans? He extends greetings to about 20 people in Romans 16; and Pope Peter I is not among them. Seems pretty rude for an apostle not to extend a greeting to his boss.1 point -
SDAs, The Trinity & Christ Sinning
Enabled reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Gustave: I will understand what Ellen White believed on this subject. I do not have a problem with people saying that Ellen whit was wrong in a specific doctrinal position as she was not intended to fill the role in the developing SDA denomination of a final arbitrator of doctrine. Some may attempt to fit her into that role. But, that was not how she saw herself. That was not what she claimed to be. You have stimulated me to expand my thinking on this subject. for that I commend you. As JoMo essentially stated: regardless of whether or not we (I) agree with you, you are welcome here in this forum. Open communication, as it taking place here is healthy.1 point -
SDAs, The Trinity & Christ Sinning
Enabled reacted to 8thdaypriest for a topic
I think we talked awhile back about "would not" vs "could not". One has to do with God's all-knowledge (including the future), and the other has to do with Christ's nature (human, divine, combination, fully both). Because the LORD prophesies a thing concerning a human subject, does not mean that person has no choice. Choice is not removed because the LORD has prophesied a future action. On the other point: I believe that Jesus Christ "emptied himself" to take the form and the nature "of a servant". Of what did He empty himself? The Greek word means "void" or "empty". Jesus said, "The Father who dwells in me, does the works" (John 14:10). Why would Jesus need His Father to do the works? If He was equal in power, why not just do the works Himself? More still, if Jesus was the same divine being/person (God), then He would have no need to be indwelt by His Father (a second being). Without the indwelling of His Father - the "fullness of the God" would Jesus have been able to do the works? "The works" to include not just miracles, but also perfect conformity to the will of His Father. Did Jesus have the choice - to receive or reject the indwelling of His Father, or was Jesus (because of His existence as God) simply part of "God" with no separate identity or existence? I personally believe that Father and Son are two separate persons/beings - each with individual will. Therefore Christ could have resisted/rejected His Father's will. One does not need to suffer from "violent cognitive dissonance", to believe that God (defined as "the Father") beget a second divine being out of Himself (in His exact image), and that He "sent" His begotten "Son" into this world.1 point -
SDAs, The Trinity & Christ Sinning
Enabled reacted to APL for a topic
EGW: Angels were expelled from heaven because they would not work in harmony with God. They fell from their high estate because they wanted to be exalted. They had come to exalt themselves, and they forgot that their beauty of person and of character came from the Lord Jesus. This fact the angels would obscure, that Christ was the only begotten Son of God, and they came to consider that they were not to consult Christ. One angel began the controversy and carried it on until there was rebellion in the heavenly courts among the angels. They were lifted up because of their beauty. {Lt42-1910}1 point -
SDAs, The Trinity & Christ Sinning
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Gustave is correct that "God" would not/could not act contrary to Himself. Jesus was divine/human. Some assume that the divine part of His nature would always dominate His human nature, to such a degree that the human nature hardly mattered. As if the human was just a sort of shell - for appearance. I don't believe that was the case. I believe Jesus human nature was just as strong within Him, as His "divine nature". They were in balance. Which means that Jesus' mind had to keep that balance. He could have allowed His human nature to dominate, with it's appetites and weaknesses. We know He was fearful and full of dread in anticipation of His execution by torture. We know He was mocked and ridiculed because His mother was pregnant before the wedding feast, and because His family was poor and from the "wrong side of the tracks". We know that Jesus got thirsty and hungry and tired. Satan thought those things were possible weak points. He tempted Jesus to skip the torture. He tempted Him to prove His divine son-ship. He tempted Jesus to test His Father. Why was Satan tempting Jesus. Didn't Satan know that Jesus could not sin? I think the obvious fact that Satan tempted Him, shows that Satan thought Jesus capable of a sin against His Father's will.1 point