The Sabbath and the Old Covenant

[joeb]

All I read were your first two posts so if I'm assuming something that isn't true it's from ignorance, not from trying to pick a fight..  

 

From those two posts it appears that you are under the false assumption that salvation before Christ's birth was somehow different than it is after Christ's death and resurrection.  There is no difference.   Abraham, before Christ, was saved by faith, just like we are as he was justified by faith, just as we are now.   Salvation has always been by faith in our Redeemer. 

[8thdaypriest]

All I read were your first two posts so if I'm assuming something that isn't true it's from ignorance, not from trying to pick a fight..  

 

From those two posts it appears that you are under the false assumption that salvation before Christ's birth was somehow different than it is after Christ's death and resurrection.  There is no difference.   Abraham, before Christ, was saved by faith, just like we are as he was justified by faith, just as we are now.   Salvation has always been by faith in our Redeemer. 

AGREE !

 

The OT believers offered a lamb - which symbolized salvation thru faith in the One True Sacrifice.

NT believers look BACK, by faith - to the One True Sacrifice.

 

We are all looking to the SAME Sacrifice - Jesus the Christ.

[joeb]

AGREE !

 

The OT believers offered a lamb - which symbolized salvation thru faith in the One True Sacrifice.

NT believers look BACK, by faith - to the One True Sacrifice.

 

We are all looking to the SAME Sacrifice - Jesus the Christ.

Yup.  It makes no difference whether someone was looking forward to Christ, or is looking back at Christ.  Faith in Jesus is faith in Jesus, no matter when it was, or is, practiced. 

[Samie]

Yup.  It makes no difference whether someone was looking forward to Christ, or is looking back at Christ.  Faith in Jesus is faith in Jesus, no matter when it was, or is, practiced. 

 

"Faith in Jesus" or "Faith of Jesus"?

 

From the same Greek phrase ipi,stewj VIhsou/ Cristou/, here's how what originally was Jesus' faith became man's faith:

Romans 3:22 dikaiosu,nh de. qeou/ dia. pi,stewj VIhsou/ Cristou/ eivj pa,ntaj tou.j pisteu,ontajÅ ouv ga,r evstin diastolh,

 

1611 KJV Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

 

1982 NKJ Romans 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;

 

 

Galatians 2:16 eivdo,tej Îde.Ð o[ti ouv dikaiou/tai a;nqrwpoj evx e;rgwn no,mou eva.n mh. dia. pi,stewj VIhsou/ Cristou/( kai. h`mei/j eivj Cristo.n VIhsou/n evpisteu,samen( i[na dikaiwqw/men evk pi,stewj Cristou/ kai. ouvk evx e;rgwn no,mou( o[ti evx e;rgwn no,mou ouv dikaiwqh,setai pa/sa sa,rxÅ

 

1611 KJV Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

1982 NKJ Galatians 2:16 "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

 

 

Galatians 3:22 avlla. sune,kleisen h` grafh. ta. pa,nta u`po. a`marti,an( i[na h` evpaggeli,a evk pi,stewj VIhsou/ Cristou/ doqh/| toi/j pisteu,ousinÅ

 

1611 KJV Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

 

1982 NKJ Galatians 3:22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

 

 

Philippians 3:9 kai. eu`reqw/ evn auvtw/|( mh. e;cwn evmh.n dikaiosu,nhn th.n evk no,mou avlla. th.n dia. pi,stewj Cristou/( th.n evk qeou/ dikaiosu,nhn evpi. th/| pi,stei

 

KJV Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

NKJ Philippians 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

 

 

Interestingly enough:

Revelation 14:12 _Wde h` u`pomonh. tw/n a`gi,wn evsti,n( oi` throu/ntej ta.j evntola.j tou/ qeou/ kai. th.n pi,stin VIhsou/Å

 

KJV Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

NKJ Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[joeb]

"Faith in Jesus" or "Faith of Jesus"?

 

If we truly have "faith in Jesus", we have the "faith of Jesus".  He gives us His own attributes by, and through, faith