Yom Kippur Day of Atonement

[FallingRock44]

Just thought I would let you-all know.

As already mentioned in the thread

Shemitah (Sabbatical Year) Starts at Sundown

by hch

 

Yom Kippur begins at sundown Oct. 4th.

 

The Second Blood Moon is on Oct. 8th. The first one this year was during Passover.

[LifeHiscost]

Just thought I would let you-all know.

As already mentioned in the thread

Shemitah (Sabbatical Year) Starts at Sundown

by hch

 

Yom Kippur begins at sundown Oct. 4th.

 

The Second Blood Moon is on Oct. 8th. The first one this year was during Passover.

Some individuals are placing great significance to the two events, especially as it relates to the Messianic Jewish faith. Would anyone feel like elaborating on that?

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

[8thdaypriest]

Today - Oct 4th is Yom Kippur, which began yesterday at sunset.

[JoeMo]

Some individuals are placing great significance to the two events, especially as it relates to the Messianic Jewish faith. Would anyone feel like elaborating on that?

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

There are several potentially important ties about eclipses which fall on festival days.   Rather than just copy and paste someone else's research, see http://www.theharbinger-jonathancahn.com/. This site also has a link to great info on the importance of Shemitah, which we are just beginning to celebrate.Jonathan Cahn, the author, is a well-published and televised Messianic Rabbi.

[phkrause]

What Is Shemittah?

The Sabbatical Year basics: absolution of loans, desisting from all field work, and the spiritual objective of all the above.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/562077/jewish/What-Is-Shemittah.htm

 

[Ron Amnsn]

Yom Kippur begins at sundown Oct. 4th.

Today - Oct 4th is Yom Kippur, which began yesterday at sunset.

 

Yom Kippur begins at sundown Oct. 5th, depending on which Jewish calendar you follow.  The Orthodox Jews celebrated Yom Kippur on October 4th because they follow the calculated calendar developed by Hillel II.  The Karaite Jews will celebrate Yom Kippur on October 6th because they follow a calendar that uses the sightings of the new moons from Israel to determine when each month starts.  Some people use the new moon sightings from their own location to determine when the month begins, so some of those will be celebrating Yom Kippur on October 5.

 

The early Adventists/Millerites used the Karaite calendar methods to determine that Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) would fall on October 22, 1844.  So if you believe the SDA doctrine of the Investigative Judgment beginning in 1844, you are already a user of the Karaite calendar and would celebrate the 170th anniversary of the Great Dispointment on Monday, October 6, 2014, the Day of Atonement for this year.

 

Unfortunately, most of us are so dependent on Pope Gregory's calendar (the commonly used Gregorian calendar) that we would find it most natural to to celebrate the anniversary of the Great Disappointment of 1844, not on the Day of Atonement at all, but rather on October 22, 2014.  When God created the sun and moon he said, "let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years" (Gen 1:14).  The Hebrew word translated as "seasons" does not refer to Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter at all, but refers to God's appointed times (Lev. 23), of which Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) was the most solemn.   Instead of using the sun and moon to determine our calendars today, we use the Gregorian Calendar (instituted by the Catholic Pope) that totally disregards the moon for determining months.

[Gail]

Do you anyone who celebrates the anniversary of the Great Disappointment?

[Samie]

While we are at Atonement...

 

Excerpts from The Day-Star Extra, February 7, 1846:

 

“1. If the atonement was made on Calvary, by whom was it made? The making of the atonement is the work of a Priest? but who officiated on Calvary?-Roman soldiers and wicked Jews.{SANC 19.1}

2. The slaying of the victim was not making the atonement: the sinner slew the victim, Leviticus 4:1-4, 13-15, etc., after that the Priest took the blood and made the atonement. Leviticus 4:5-12, 16-21.{SANC 19.2}

3. Christ was the appointed High Priest to make the atonement, and He certainly could not have acted in that capacity till after His resurrection, and we have no record of His doing any thing on earth after His resurrection, which could be called the atonement.{SANC 19.3}

4. The atonement was made in the Sanctuary, but Calvary was not such a place.{SANC 19.4}

5. He could not, according to Hebrews 8:4, make the atonement while on earth. “If He were on earth, He should not be a Priest.” The Levitical was the earthly priesthood, the Divine, the heavenly.{SANC 19.5}

6. Therefore, He did not begin the work of making the atonement, whatever the nature of that work may be, till after His ascension, when by His own blood He entered His heavenly Sanctuary for us.{SANC 19.6}”

 

Based on what he wrote, it is quite evident that Bro. Crozier did not believe that Atonement was made on Calvary.   This position of Crozier seemed to have been endorsed by Sister White, when she wrote in April 1847:

 

 “… the Lord showed me in vision, more than one year ago, that Brother Crozier had the true light on the cleansing of the sanctuary, etc.; and that it was his will that Brother Crozier should write out the view which he gave us in the The Day-Star Extra, February 7, 1846. I feel fully authorized by the Lord to recommend that extra to every saint.”—A Word to the “Little Flock, 12.

 

In 1892, Sister White wrote:

 

"Let no one come to the conclusion that there is no more truth to be revealed. The diligent, prayerful seeker for truth will find precious rays of light yet to shine forth from the word of God. Many gems are yet scattered that are to be gathered together to become the property of the remnant people of God." {SSW March 1, 1892, par. 5}

 

"There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation." {RH December 20, 1892, par. 1}

 

Was a turn of events seemed to be upcoming?  Whereas in 1847 she endorsed Crozier’s view that there was no atonement made on Calvary, in 1899 she wrote that a PERFECT ATONEMENT was made on the cross:

 

"Type met antitype in the death of Christ, the Lamb slain for the sins of the world. Our great High Priest has made the only sacrifice that is of any value in our salvation. When he offered Himself on the cross, a perfect atonement was made for the sins of the people. We are now standing in the outer court, waiting and looking for that blessed hope, the glorious appearing of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." {Signs of the Times, June 28, 1899, par. 3}

 

And in 1900, Sister White wrote the Atonement made was COMPLETE:

"Can you not see what a strong foundation is placed beneath your feet when you accept Christ? God has accepted the offering of his Son as a complete atonement for the sins of the world."{Youth Instructor, September 20, 1900, par. 8}

 

And in 1901, she seemed to have summarized what she said in 1899 & 1900 concerning Atonement by saying the Atonement made was both perfect and complete:

 

"He planted the cross between heaven and earth, and when the Father beheld the sacrifice of His Son, He bowed before it in recognition of its perfection.“It is enough,” He said.“The atonement is complete.”{Review & Herald, September 24, 1901, par. 11}.

 

IF, as is normally the case, later statements are to prevail over previous ones, would these latter statements made by Sister White be proof enough that she could have realized later in her life, that what Bro Crozier  wrote in The Day-Star Extra in 1846 was somehow not in accord with truth?

[hch]

Just thought I would let you-all know.

As already mentioned in the thread

Shemitah (Sabbatical Year) Starts at Sundown

by hch

 

Yom Kippur begins at sundown Oct. 4th.

 

The Second Blood Moon is on Oct. 8th. The first one this year was during Passover.

 

This is indeed very confusing.

 

The days of Awe began Wednesday a week ago according to the Hebrew Calender,

So Yom Kippur should have begun Friday Sundown.

 

Then here it is posted that it is Sunday which a woman at church also told me.

 

And I got an email Friday from a man who stated that he watched the new moon on a certain day so that he was

saying that Yom Kippur will be this Wednesday 

 

When Yom Kippur comes around, it gives me reason to contemplate that we are living in the Day of Atonement

ever since 22 October 1844, and thankfulness that the confusion surrounding the exact day is not a salvation issue

 

And there is comfort in knowing that the Judgment of the dead was from 22 October 1844 to 22 February 1928

And the Judgment of the living was from  the day of Atonement 14 October 1929 through 14 February 2013

And that we are in the final sealing time awaiting Christ's declaration "It is done!"

while we do the final touches in proclamation of the Three angels' messages AMEN!

[aka]

I find it quite interesting to see how the Jewish religion is now defragmentated into various faith-groups as sub-categories much like we Seventh-day Adventist have gotten to be.  Our labels are different (orthodox last-day generation, progressive adventist, conservatives, liberals, reform adventists, cultural adventists, i.e.) but in principle the same disunity causing one group to look down upon the other as being inferior. 

[aka]

"Ask the Rabbi" is a really good forum section wherein I spend much time reading the contributions that PeterK uploads.

Here is what the 'Rabbi' said about the annual day of Atonement celebrated nowadays in Jewish communities. I found the custom of going down to a flowing river and casting bits of bread (symbolizing the sins confess of the year's transgressions) a very unique modern day development. Customs, liturgy, symbols are such a part of human needs apparently when wanting to put spiritual concepts into visual 3-D understanding.

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Yom Kippur 2014 is observed on October 3-4. Known as the Jewish Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur falls on 10 Tishrei 5775 on the Hebrew calendar, which is from sundown on October 3 to nightfall on October 4.

 

The Day of Atonement is considered the most important day of the Jewish year, as evidenced by the synagogue attendance rate: More people go to temple on Yom Kippur than any other holiday.

 

Yom Kippur marks the end of the Days of Awe, a 10-day period of teshuvah (Jewish reflection, repentance and return) that begins with Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year.

 

During the Days of Awe, Jews seeks forgiveness from friends, family and co-workers, a process that begins with Tashlich, the symbolic casting off of sins that is traditionally observed on the afternoon of Rosh Hashanah by throwing bread into a body of water. On Yom Kippur, Jews attempt to mend their relationships with God. This is done, in part, by reciting the Vidui, a public confession of sins. The holiday has the most extensive prayer schedule of the Hebrew calendar and arduous abstinence from food, drink, sexual intimacy and animal-based clothing, such as leather.

 

All major Jewish holidays, including Yom Kippur, consist of four main prayer services: Ma'ariv, Shacharit, Musaf and Mincha. Yom Kippur, though, is unique. It begins with Kol Nidre, a legal document that is hauntingly chanted and emotionally charged. The Book of Jonah is read during the afternoon prayer service on Yom Kippur day.

 

The Day of Atonement is the only Jewish holiday that includes a fifth prayer service, called Ne'ilah, which is a final plea of repentance before the gates of heaven are said to close. The Ne'ilah service precedes the shofar blowing and the end of the fast.

 

While Yom Kippur is characterized by solemn fasting and marathon prayers of repentance, it is actually considered the most joyous day of the Jewish year because it commemorates God's forgiveness of the sin of the Golden Calf, the Israelites' slip into idolatry after the giving of the Ten Commandments, and is considered a time to spiritually start anew.

[FallingRock44]

"Ask the Rabbi" is a really good forum section wherein I spend much time reading the contributions that PeterK uploads.

Here is what the 'Rabbi' said about the annual day of Atonement celebrated nowadays in Jewish communities. I found the custom of going down to a flowing river and casting bits of bread (symbolizing the sins confess of the year's transgressions) a very unique modern day development. Customs, liturgy, symbols are such a part of human needs apparently when wanting to put spiritual concepts into visual 3-D understanding.

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While Yom Kippur is characterized by solemn fasting and marathon prayers of repentance, it is actually considered the most joyous day of the Jewish year because it commemorates God's forgiveness of the sin of the Golden Calf, the Israelites' slip into idolatry after the giving of the Ten Commandments, and is considered a time to spiritually start anew.

    Thanks for the great thoughts you posted.  I went down to the river yesterday to watch the water flow by.  I did not have any bread but it is a fine thought.

    I really like the thought that it is "a time to spiritually start anew."  

[8thdaypriest]

There is no Aaronic priesthood ministering at the Temple in Jerusalem, to tell us exactly WHEN the barley harvest was approaching ripeness - to begin the calendar for the year on the New Moon.  Different sects of Judaism, or Messianic Judaism/Hebrew Roots are teaching the correctness of different days.  THAT should tell us that we need Messiah to return and reset our calendar.  

 

I do NOT say that I keep any of the appointed times.  I say that I commemorate them - I remember them - and I look forward to keeping them in His kingdom.  

Even the 7th day Sabbath - is questioned - concerning which day is actually the 7th.  

Is it the 7th from the New Moon?  Is it the 7th in a continuing cycle which began at creation, and was re-established during 40 years of wilderness wandering??  

 

The appointed times were prophecy. 

They told a story of God's plan for our rescue from Satan's dominion.

 

I think it entirely appropriate that we "remember" and repeat the prophecy taught by each Feast. 

I will NOT get into arguments about which day is the correct one in today's calendar. 

 

It is enough for me to know that my LORD has a plan, and I will be rescued at the time appointed.

 

Blessings,

Rachel Cory

Prophecy Viewpoint

[Gregory Matthews]

Yes, the different groups within Judiasm have some differences in the calendars that they use.  The one that I use (I do not claim it is valid, as it is a commercial calendar.) gives October 3, at 6 PM (sundown} to October 4, at 6 PM  (sundown). 

 

This raises the issue that I have raised in the past:  In the  time of Christ, Passover was celebrated differently among the groups of JEws.

[Ron Amnsn]

Do you anyone who celebrates the anniversary of the Great Disappointment?

Not personally.  The Adventist Heritage people organized a large commemorative weekend at William Miller's farm on the 150th anniversary.  Doing a search today I found one announcement of an Adventist youth group that would be marking the passing of the anniversary with an evening featuring church heritage.

[JoeMo]

As NT believers, I don't think we are required to keep these feastivals under pain of hell-fire any more; but we should honor them as our heritage to recognize and meditate upon what these festivals represent; and to keep in mind that - just as the spring festivals were fulfilled in real-time in Christ's first coming- the fall festivals could be fulfilled in real time at His Second Coming.  God gave us these days for a reason ...

[8thdaypriest]

Yes, the different groups within Judiasm have some differences in the calendars that they use.  The one that I use (I do not claim it is valid, as it is a commercial calendar.) gives October 3, at 6 PM (sundown} to October 4, at 6 PM  (sundown). 

 

This raises the issue that I have raised in the past:  In the  time of Christ, Passover was celebrated differently among the groups of JEws.

        In the time of Christ, there was a dispute concerning the day for the presentation of the “Firstfruits.” 

 

The 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is called “a holy convocation” upon which “no customary work” was to be done.   In other words - “a sabbath” (Lev 23:7).  

 

The Pharisees taught  that “the day after the sabbath” of the Leviticus 23:15 commandment, must be the 16th day of Adar - the day immediately following the Passover.  

        The Sadducees however believed that “the sabbath” meant the 7th day Sabbath.  The “day after” would be Sunday - the “first day of the week.” 

 

The Sadducees celebrated the “firstfruits” on the “day after” the first 7th Day Sabbath which followed Passover.  Always on a Sunday.

 

    NOTICE!!  If The First Day of Unleavened Bread fell ON a 7th Day Sabbath in the year Christ died, then the Pharisees and the Sadducees would have been in agreement regarding the celebration of the Firstfruits offering. 

 

For the Pharisees, it would have been the day following the Feast of Unleavened Bread.  

 

For the Sadducees it would have been the first Sunday which followed  The Feast of Unleavened Bread. 

 

Fifty days later, the Pharisees and the Sadducees would all have celebrated Pentecost (Shavuot) on the same day.  They would all have been at the Temple on the day when the Holy Spirit was poured out, and Peter preached with power.  

        NOTE:  God does have a sense of humor!

 

Blessings,

Rachel Cory

Prophecy Viewpoint

 

[Ron Amnsn]

I find it quite interesting to see how the Jewish religion is now defragmentated into various faith-groups as sub-categories much like we Seventh-day Adventist have gotten to be.  Our labels are different (orthodox last-day generation, progressive adventist, conservatives, liberals, reform adventists, cultural adventists, i.e.) but in principle the same disunity causing one group to look down upon the other as being inferior. 

 

The religious Jews were already divided into various sects at the time of Jesus.  We're familiar three of those, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Way.  There were a dozen or so other Jewish sects that are not so well known, such as the Qumran community, which may be the same as the Essenes.  The Bible also mentions some other sects such as the Zealots, and the Herodians. 

 

There is also some interesting evidence about the differences between the Galilean Jews and the Judean Jews of that time period.  Notice what it says in John 7:1 "After these things Jesus was walking in Galilee, for He was unwilling to walk in Judea because the Jews were seeking to kill Him."  The word translated as Jews is literally "Judeans", which becomes apparent when you think about it.  There were lots of Jews in Galillee but those Jews were not trying to kill Jesus. It was the Judeans that were trying to kill Jesus.  The translators of our English versions sometimes paint all the Jews with the same broad brush.

[Ron Amnsn]

Do you anyone who celebrates the anniversary of the Great Disappointment?

 

UPDATE: Washington Adventist University will also be holding an event on October 22.

http://www.wauhonorsprogram.org/upcomingevents.html

[aka]

Now I understand, Ron. It was not only the Pharisees seeking to kill Jesus but the Judeans. 

But did they have the same motivations as the Pharisees to get rid of Him?

 

Could you list the various sects of Judism of today for us?

[Ron Amnsn]

Could you list the various sects of Judism of today for us?

This would be a lot like listing the various sects of Christianity.  In Christianity there are the Catholics, the Protestants (those who separated from the Catholics), and those groups who were never associated with the Catholics.  Each of these groups are subdivided into smaller groups.

 

I'm no expert on modern Judaism.  It seems that In Judaism today there are many overlapping groups.  The predominant group is Rabbinic Judaism that includes various subgroups such as Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Hassidic, Lubavichers, Messianic, etc. Other groups include the Karaite Jews (who do not accept writings outside the Old Testament as authoritative), the Samaritans (who view only their own version of the Books of Moses plus Joshua as authoritative.),     There are also the two main religious and linguistic traditions based on regions: Shephardic (Mediterranean) and Ashkenazi (Eastern Europe).  There are also groups based on specific goals, such as those who support Zionism and those who oppose Zionism (until Messiah arrives).