Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted January 19, 2015 Members Posted January 19, 2015 So, let's bring this down a little closer to where WE live..... In the midst of a discussion, someone uses satire against what you have said.....how do you react? In a "for example", this scenerio is to indicate a possible discussion and is in no way litterally directly tied to the subject at hand- Is satire a useful tool ? If you honestly hold a position, ie the Godhead is about a 3 personallitied God in One body vs three distinct, but unified Beings ....and someone says to you that smacks of a non-agreeing tone, "Surely you don't believe in a Polytheism"? and then proceeds to produce some satire to contradict your point of view......How do you react? Do you feel foolish and immediately remove yourself from the discussion? Do you go away feeling that you should have said something far more witty than his satiral position? Do you claim up and not say a word afterward? Do you loose it and want to launch into a larger discourse bringing in other points to bear on the subject? What do you do? I'd say my name wasn't Shirley.. Gail, Aliensanctuary and JoeMo 3 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Aliensanctuary Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 You're not talking about Shirley Goodness, are you? I just happen to know her sister Mercy. They're both really nice girls. Back in the days of Moses and Israel in the wilderness, I don't believe that anyone publishing cartoons satirizing or mocking Moses or YHVH would have been tolerated. Back then, stones were the weapon of choice, their being so cheap and plentiful. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451
fccool Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 I think there are limits to free speech in ethical context, and not necessarily legal. A lot of comedians feel like it's their duty to test the limits of free speech via satire or humor, but some things are just not that funny. Southpark I thought satirized the Mohammed issue the best. They made fun of the issue within the limits of cultural constraints. They put the guy in a bear suit, and the irony is that it was a Mohammed in a ridiculous attire, which would be more offensive... yet the constraints of religion make it less outrageous than drawing a decent-looking picture of the guy. I really don't think pushing these limits is necessary, because it doesn't end well. It angers people, turns them against each other, and makes them isolate in their own little community bubbles where they tell their children exaggerated stories about why the other guys are bad. It does the opposite of what it intends to do. The reality is that political and religious propaganda is a form of its own "serious satire". The exaggerations that are floating in Adventist churches about Catholics is borderline satirical. There are a million things to make fun of, why would you make fun of something you know will anger millions of people? No one is satirizing Holocaust. It's just not that funny. It can be in certain absurd context, but the seriousness of the subject weighs over the satire. I think it's the same way for many other people. Satirizing people who struggle with their weight can be demoralizing... etc. I think we should have an ounce of decency to talk about serious subjects in a serious manner. LifeHiscost and Naomi 2 Quote
LifeHiscost Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 sat·ire ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/ noun noun: satire the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. synonyms: mockery, ridicule, derision, scorn, caricature; More considering the synonyms of the word I would suggest no one believing in the only God Who is love would ever choose those words to describe that certain person whom Jesus came to save. God is Love! Jesus saves! Naomi 1 Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Moderators lazarus Posted January 20, 2015 Author Moderators Posted January 20, 2015 mockery, ridicule, derision, scorn, caricature; More considering the synonyms of the word I would suggest no one believing in the only God Who is love would ever choose those words to describe that certain person whom Jesus came to save. God is Love! Jesus saves! It might be uncomfortable to admit but Jesus was great at using exaggeration, mockery, ridicule, derision. Most pastors would get fired for talking the way Jesus did. Check out Matthew 23. Kevin H 1 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
LifeHiscost Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 It might be uncomfortable to admit but Jesus was great at using exaggeration, mockery, ridicule, derision. Most pastors would get fired for talking the way Jesus did. Check out Matthew 23. While His words might appear to reflect those attributes, to anyone who knows and trusts Him this below defines Him, and regardless of what one attributes to Him, if it's other than love it becomes more a view of our own heart rather than His character. God is Love! 4Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance....love will last forever! 1 Cor 13 8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.....Hebrews 13:8 God is Love! Jesus saves! Naomi 1 Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Moderators lazarus Posted January 21, 2015 Author Moderators Posted January 21, 2015 While His words might appear to reflect those attributes, to anyone who knows and trusts Him this below defines Him, and regardless of what one attributes to Him, if it's other than love it becomes more a view of our own heart rather than His character. Love does not mean you are always nice. The truth can be ugly, angry, dirty, and offensive. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
LifeHiscost Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Love does not mean you are always nice. The truth can be ugly, angry, dirty, and offensive. One has a choice of the Truth/truth in which they wish to live. …9And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.....2 Cor 12 31So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.".....John 8 6Jesus said to him, "I am.....the Truth, and.....; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."….John 14 God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
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