Sojourner Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 I kid you not, Clean meats are recommended and preached about at Lakewood and Joel Osteen recommends that people turn away from eating unclean meats. Quote
Sojourner Posted January 24, 2015 Author Posted January 24, 2015 I kid you not, Clean meats are recommended and preached about at Lakewood and Joel Osteen recommends that people turn away from eating unclean meats. Quote
Administrators Gail Posted January 24, 2015 Administrators Posted January 24, 2015 Yes, I had seen that a while back on TV (when we still had TV). Gotta give credit where credit's due! Sojourner 1 Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 24, 2015 Administrators Posted January 24, 2015 I was watching a religious program on TV in a hotel once and the speaker was making a strong case for following the clean vs. unclean foods laws of Leviticus, etc. I didn't recognize him as one our own and waited until the credits and the program was affiliated with some denomination I wasn't familiar with. Sojourner 1 Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Moderators Gerr Posted January 25, 2015 Moderators Posted January 25, 2015 Joel Osteen has just come up a few notches in my esteem proiile. I have listened to him a few times in the past and all I heard was feel good positive thinking sermons. JoeMo 1 Quote
Stan Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 This was in 2008.. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Ted Oplinger Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 It's a start...but the kicker subject for these preachers always seems to be the Sabbath vs. Sunday issue. When he comes down on the side of the Sabbath, that is when my eyebrows will raise. It is said that the great Billy Graham knew of the Sabbath truth, but would not preach it because it would mean he would lose his vast congregations of listeners. While that may be more urban legend than truth, I do know of several local preachers in my area who have voiced the statement - they fear going against the grain more than than preaching the truth. Joel Osteen won't lose many in his congregation preaching something that has health benefits (leaving off unclean meats). It is mainly private, and does not have many significant cultural impacts. It might get him chided for "going Old Covenant", but the fact that a good many people leave off the pork and shrimp for medical reasons alone means his audience won't drastically shrink. Preaching the Sabbath, though, has far greater impacts - both privately and culturally, as it means disrupting weekly schedules founded upon having Saturday as the main off-work day and marketing/chore day...then maintaining that difference while everyone else continues the cycle. I hear him speak of that, truthfully and with conviction, without fear of losing any of his audience, and he might just get my attention. Blessings, Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan
Members phkrause Posted January 25, 2015 Members Posted January 25, 2015 Excellent points Ted. If I recall correctly, there was a Black minister, not sure of the denomination, that was convicted of the Sabbath message and preached on that one Sunday, and told his whole congregation that he would be worshiping on Sabbaths from than on!! Ted Oplinger 1 Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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