Survey for Seventh Day Adventists; What does a "head" represent in prophecy?

[jamesonofthunder]

"The solemn messages that have been given in their order in the Revelation are to occupy the first place in the minds of God’s people." —Testimonies for the Church 8:302 (1904).

Survey for Seventh Day Adventists; What does a "head" mean in prophecy?

So many people claim that the "heads" on the beast in Revelation 17 are world empires since Babylon but what possible benefit would there be for God to include empires that have come and gone long before the time of the last days in a prophecy FOR the last days? (The eighth king of Rev 17:11-12 leads the world to "perdition", the end of the age, so this proves it is end time)

In the most simplistic comprehension of the possible intent for God to use heads as an important aspect of the imagery of this prophecy what good could using new images to identify past kingdoms be? The King of Babylon was the only "head" out of all the old kingdoms in Daniels visions, and Assyria was not included in the prophetic timeline of Daniel so why would they and the others after Babylon be included?

A HEAD is the controlling power of the beast it is seen attached to. Why else would God use the symbol of a head? The head controls the body. How can a world empire from a thousand years earlier be the controlling power of the end time beast? That makes absolutely no sense at all, and no other prophecy does this. Even the image of the head of Gold in Daniel was said to represent Nebuchadnezzar, the HEAD of Babylon. The four heads of the Leopard beast were the four generals of Greece after Alexander died. So there is major precedent that a HEAD represent the HEAD of state of the beast it rides. A head cut off from the body is dead.

“…for scholars declared BEFORE THE ADVENTIST MOVEMENT BEGAN that Rome had presented to the world, as a unique and marvelous feature of history, SEVEN DISTINCT FORMS OF GOVERNMENT. All that the Adventists did was to say, as the most natural thing in the world, that if Rome did have seven forms of government, the seven heads of the dragon, WHICH IS A SYMBOL OF ROME, must be designed to represent that fact. The old Roman historians, Livy and Tacitus, acknowledged the different forms of government in Rome, to be so many “heads” of the Roman commonwealth…And one of the earliest Protestant commentators, Osiander, as early as 1511, names the whole seven as we have them; namely, Kings, Consuls, Decemvirs,  Dictators, Triumvirs, Emperors, and Popes, as the forms of Roman government represented by the seven heads of the dragon of Revelation 12, and the seven-headed beasts of Revelation 13 and Revelation 17. Adventists, under the first (angel's) message, at once adopted this view. {SHR 1.1}

The last head of the Dragon Beast in Rev 12 is PAPAL ROME. Then the next beast in Rev 13 uses the same symbolic language but those other six form of Roman government have passed away so they are no longer the meaning of the image. The seven heads now represent the Papal leaders of the Papal form of ROMAN government leading the beast.

Millions of people in the protestant movement died because they protested Papal power. They taught since Wycliffe that since Rome had seven forms of ROMAN government, that the seven heads on the ROMAN BEAST MUST symbolize this unique fact, ROME had seven forms of Government so the heads of the beast must be an overview of all seven forms of Roman Government, and the pioneers of the Seventh Day Adventists all agreed and said this was in perfect agreement with scriptures, but today every single Seventh Day Adventist pastor throws this teaching away? They all say the seven heads are the world empires since Babylon and that is INSANE! They are in effect saying they are more in tune with the Holy Spirit than Ellen White was, who said the Pope was the HEAD who received the deadly wound.

I have been shown that the seven heads are the seven last popes leading to the eighth pope after the healing of the head wound in the 1929 Lateran Treaty. POPE FRANCIS IS THE LAST POPE!

Prove me wrong. Go to this blog page and read and tell me where I am wrong.

http://eighthking.blogspot.com/2011/12/whos-is-anti-christ-eighth-king-of-rev.html

If you cannot prayerfully think for yourself you will be deceived.

People say so what? What does this do for us but bring persecution? The three angels messages is all about warning the world who is Antichrist. If you cannot stand the heat then you are not under the banner.

[Gregory Matthews]

James said:

 

 

 

I have been shown that the seven heads are the seven last popes leading to the eighth pope after the healing of the head wound in the 1929 Lateran Treaty. POPE FRANCIS IS THE LAST POPE!

 

That statement is of critical importance:  James believes that he is God's messenger with special revelations to communicate to others.

 

You can go to his listed blog above and read more.  But, here is one short statement:

 

 

 

We as Seventh Day Adventists have been warning about this for 170 years! And not one pastor will officially recognize the vision God gave me that we are in the time of the Eighth King of Revelation 17, and about to go into the time of Revelation 18.

 

If you look for him on the Internet, his given name is James Tierney.
 

[Tom Wetmore]

If memory serves me correctly, this same "prophetic" interpretation/proclamation of the last pope has been declared of a growing list of popes. I suppose eventually it could be correct, sort of like a broken clock being right twice a day...

[Gregory Matthews]

J. T Has acknowledged that he was wrong in a prior prediction.

 

I have corrected errors.

[Gregory Matthews]

Sorry for the errors in the above message. I am unable to correct at this time.

 

I have corrected errors.  GM

[8thdaypriest]

I don't think there were any Popes living at the time John received the vision.  Yet the angel said, "one is living now". 

 

Revelation 17:9-10  "This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven hills on which the woman is sitting; also they are seven kings - five have fallen, one is living now and the other is yet to come; and when he does come, he must remain only a little while." (CJB)

 

Doesn't SOUND like the last 8 Popes. 

[jamesonofthunder]

I don't think there were any Popes living at the time John received the vision.  Yet the angel said, "one is living now". 

 

Revelation 17:9-10  "This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven hills on which the woman is sitting; also they are seven kings - five have fallen, one is living now and the other is yet to come; and when he does come, he must remain only a little while." (CJB)

 

Doesn't SOUND like the last 8 Popes. 

 

But the beginning of the chapter clearly shows that John was taken in the Spirit to see the future. He was taken to the time of the judgment of the whore. We know judgment began in 1844, and Mrs White said that one day the judgment would pass to the cases of those living. John was taken to the time frame of the sixth king, the one who "is" in the prophecy. John Paul II was the pope that was sixth since the healing of the head wound in 1929 so this is the pope who was alive in the vision. The previous five popes had already come and gone and sixth "is" and then the seventh "must remain a short time".

 

When God first shared this with me almost nine years ago He didn't tell me what the meaning of the seventh king "remaining a short time" was, but I was encouraged to share this information even though I didn't know the perfect conclusion, I was one of the only people looking, and after Benedict XVI retired I was the only person God told that this was in fulfillment of the prophecy. But then Benedict retired on the anniversary of the signing of the Lateran Treaty (the healing of the HEAD wound) and lightning struck St Peter's Basilica and God told me the prophecy is fulfilled. He showed ME these things and men like you judge me for being wrong on elements of a prophecy that everyone in the church is wrong about right now so no one has the right to judge me.

 

I was looking for the conclusion because God inspired me to be ready and witness it. How perfect for the seventh Papal King since the healing to retire on the anniversary of the day the Papacy received it's kingship/ sovereignty back. 

 

If you all want to mock me I'm sure God will love to listen to you ridicule the one He sent to share this with you. That would be icing on the cake of securing your souls for destruction. Go ahead and judge me, see what it gets you.

 

I was inspired to post this here. I didn't want to come back because of the arrogant men who dwell here like the demon possessed men of the tombs. But God said to post this here so I listened.

[jamesonofthunder]

Proof that John was taken to the future to witness the judgment of the living church in Rev 17...

 

Rev 17: 1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls (hasn't been poured out yet) came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.

 

Notice the whore IS SEATED in the vision. The Catholic Church had not come yet in John's time. So this MUST be future from his day.

 

It the time of Johns life the Papal system did not exist yet, so this MUST BE future from the time John was in. Notice that the kings of the earth have already committed fornication with her here too. So this points way ahead of John's day proving he was taken in the spirit to the future, the last days. 

 

 

"3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness,"

 

When the true church was persecuted in the Dark Ages it had to flee into the wilderness. But when the HEAD wound is inflicted on the beast it goes into isolation/ seclusion and the pope didn't have an empire any more, with no more political power so it in it's own wilderness until Mussolini gave the pope his title of KING back again and the wound began to be healed. "The seven heads ARE seven kings".

 

"holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. 5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.” 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus."

 

She has already began to commit fornication with the politicians again. And she is already drunk on the blood of the Martyrs of the Dark ages, but the biggest point here is that she is already "the MOTHER of Harlots". How can a mother be a mother unless she has daughters already following her doctrines and beginning to capitulate to the influence of the false teachings of the Papacy?

 

"When I saw her, I marveled greatly. 7 But the angel said to me, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction." 

 

The angel had to stop John from wondering after the Marian visions he saw in his vision. (He was like a son to Mary)

 

But also notice that at the time of the vision the already had come and gone "was" but is not in full power yet. This fits with the time frame of John Paul II because the world was just starting to follow the visions of Mary. JPII was the pope who officially made the visions of Mary dogma in their church.

 

Also notice in verse 8 that the beast that was, and is not in the time of the vision is about to rise out of the bottomless pit and go to destruction or "perdition" as it is called in many other translations. The eighth king is called the son of Perdition. He leads the world to destruction.

 

"And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come." 

 

They WILL marvel, future tense. Again towards the beast that was in the Dark Ages and will arise again in the time of the Eighth king who leads the world to perdition.

[jamesonofthunder]

All of those who mock me on this issue because it is contrary to what the present teachings of the leaders of our denomination please listen to this. Do you know you are teaching contrary to the pioneers of our faith?

 

Here is what Uriah Smith said;

 

THE SEVEN HEADS OF REVELATION

BY URIAH SMITH.

p. 1, Para. 1, [7HEADS].

 

 "In advocating the view that the seven heads of the dragon

of Revelation 12... represent seven forms of government that have existed in

the Roman Empire, the writer deems it necessary to remind

the reader that he is not dealing in novelties. He is not

introducing a new view to appeal to the curiosity of the

reader, and to cater to the not always healthy excitement

of pursuing a line of thought because it is strange. But

the view which will be advocated in this paper is one which

has characterized the Adventist movement from the

beginning, through the first, second, and third messages,

to the present time, and is only beginning within a few

years to be called in question. p. 1, Para. 2, [7HEADS].

 

 

The Protestant Reformers and ALL of the pioneers of our faith believed that the seven heads on the ROMAN beast represented the SEVEN FORMS OF ROMAN GOVERNMENT, NOT world empires beginning at Babylon. This was such a solid interpretation that they all believed it, yet this gets thrown out for a belief that has no bearing on end time issues?

 

Here is what Uriah Smith also said about what you guys teach... Pay attention.

 

“…for scholars declared before the Adventist movement began, that Rome had presented to the world, as a unique and marvelous feature of history, seven distinct forms of government. All that the Adventists did was to say, as the most natural thing in the world, that if Rome did have seven forms of government, the seven heads of the dragon, which was a symbol of Rome, must be designed to represent that fact. The old Roman historians, Livy and Tacitus, acknowledged the different forms of government in Rome, to be so many “heads” of the Roman commonwealth…And one of the earliest Protestant commentators, Osiander, as early as 1511, names the whole seven as we have them; namely, Kings, Consuls, Decemvirs,  Dictators, Triumvirs, Emperors, and Popes, as the forms of Roman government represented by the seven heads of the dragon of Revelation 12, and the seven-headed beasts of Revelation 13 and Revelation 17. Adventists, under the first (angel's) message, at once adopted this view. {SHR 1.1}

 

So ROME had seven forms of Roman government. He also proves that there were THREE PHASES of ROME prophesied in Revelation.

 

The first Phase is Pagan Rome in Revelation 12, but this Dragon beast is also a general overview of the complete history of Rome. The seven heads on this beast are all SEVEN FORMS OF ROMAN GOVERNMENT of which the PAPAL form was last. 

 

The second phase of Rome is mentioned in Revelation 13 when the transference of power to the POPE is complete, so why would the seven heads still contain the six previous forms of Roman government? Mrs White said that the last pope of the second phase of Rome was Pope PIUS VI, the "one marked in prophecy who received the deadly wound". If it was a MAN who was noted in prophecy as the HEAD who recieved the deadly wound by the taking away of his political power and being led into captivity then how could it be a NATION or empire?

 

The third phase of ROME is illustrated in Revelation 17, it is the phase of time just before the end when the eighth KING leads the world to PERDITION.

 

Anyone who mocks the Holy Spirit here will not be ready for the latter rain. This is a faithful witness.

[jamesonofthunder]

The seven heads of the ROMAN beast of Revelation 12 represent the seven forms of government that ROME had, so this proves ALL OF YOU are wrong. And I will lay odds that none of you will repent of this lie.

 

But those who are willing to entertain this idea, think about this. If John was seeing the seven forms of Roman government then your teaching that they are world empires is leading people astray.

 

http://eighthking.blogspot.com/2011/12/whos-is-anti-christ-eighth-king-of-rev.html

 

I am telling you all that what God has shown me here is perfect, but there are elements that He has not shown completely yet. I present these things to ask for those who truly seek the will of the Lord to pray about and help with.

[jamesonofthunder]

"In the seventeenth of Revelation is foretold the destruction of all the churches who corrupt themselves by idolatrous devotion to the service of the papacy, those who have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication." {7BC 983.3}

 

(God told Mrs White that all of Revelation 17 is about the fall of the protestant churches (ten horns) to the Papacy. But you all know better don't you? Where in this does anyone see a connection with world empires and bla bla sentiment?)
 

"Thus is represented the papal power, which with all deceivableness of unrighteousness, by outside attraction and gorgeous display, deceives all nations; promising them, as did Satan our first parents, all good to those who receive its mark, and all harm to those who oppose its fallacies. The power which has the deepest inward corruption will make the greatest display, and will clothe itself with the most elaborate signs of power. The Bible plainly declares that this covers a corrupt and deceiving wickedness. “Upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth.”{7BC 983.4}

 

(she cannot be a mother until she has daughters so Rev 17 is an end time prophecy)

"What is it that gives its kingdom to this power? Protestantism, a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath" (Letter 232, 1899).{7BC 983.5}

 

So the seven heads are popes, the last pope is the eighth since the healing of the deadly wound, Pope Francis, and now all the protestant churches are lining up to lend their support for the fallen church and you guys sit and argue like you are demon possessed to hamper the work of the Holy Spirit. Shame on you men.

[jamesonofthunder]

Come one smart guys, tell me how any of this fits with your false interpretation of prophecy? The leaders of our denomination have followed Satan down this path and are teaching a lie. You all are going to be held accountable for how you persecute the man God gave this information to. 

[jamesonofthunder]

If memory serves me correctly, this same "prophetic" interpretation/proclamation of the last pope has been declared of a growing list of popes. I suppose eventually it could be correct, sort of like a broken clock being right twice a day...

 

God told me that pope Benedict XVI was the last pope before Satan appears as an angel of light.

 

Just as the eighth king of Revelation 17 leads the world to PERDITION, Mrs White had a vision of the last days about the whole world being on board a train heading with "lightning speed to PERDITION" with Satan as the conductor appearing as an "angel of light" in the form of a "stately fair person that the whole world looks up to in reverence". When I didn't know all the variables, after God shared this information with me, I was told that pope Benedict XVI was the seventh Pope. But Rev 17 says there is an eighth that seemingly comes out of nowhere. All the other elements of the prophecy talks about seven, seven, seven, and then all of the sudden here is an eighth. He is not mentioned in any other number.

 

Jesus was asked when "the end of the age" would be and He responded "where the CORPSE is, there the eagles shall gather". The Jesuits call themselves like a "corpse" to be carried by the will of the pope. But now a CORPSE is at the head of the fallen church, the eighth papal king since the head wound began to heal, and the eagles of Rome are gathering.

 

Pope Francis is fulfilling this prophecy by being the only Jesuit pope ever to be elected, just as Pope Francis retiring was unique as the only uncontested pope to EVER retire. And for him to do this on their day of "independence', the anniversary of the signing of the Lateran Treaty then lightning struck St Peters Basilica? Come on people when do these things speak to you?

 

If you do not pray about this and humble yourself you WILL be lost.

[jamesonofthunder]

Brother Tom Wetmore, you are in danger for mocking me like a little child. You take too much on yourself and it will be removed from you shortly. (remember what happened to the children who mocked Elisha?) I am not worthy of this great blessing but woe to those who stand in the way of present truth.

 

God has not forgotten how you treated me before and still. You will be seen in the nakedness of your shame unless you repent.

[jamesonofthunder]

I stand with God in this. He is my provider. You all contradict Him and accuse me of being a false prophet. Good luck with that.

[jamesonofthunder]

"But the angel said to me, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her."

 

Notice that this message comes right before Revelation 18, the LOUD CRY of the three angels messages. THIS IS THE ANGEL THAT STRENGTHENS THE THREE ANGELS MESSAGES!!!!!! GET IT?

[Tom Wetmore]

Not really mocking...  Just pointing out the obvious.  You cut and stacked the wood, put gasoline on the fuel, and handed us the match.  I just struck the match.  

 

I do appreciate that given your track record on predictions, there seems little risk that your predictions about me are much to be feared... 

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

The seven heads of the ROMAN beast of Revelation 12 represent the seven forms of government that ROME had, so this proves ALL OF YOU are wrong. And I will lay odds that none of you will repent of this lie.

 

The official Triumvirate was only 10 years long (43 BC - 33 BC), and the elected officials only held office for a period of 5 years.  While admittedly there were politically-induced Roman civil battles during those 10 years, there were no iconoclastic happenings which would precipitate the inclusion of the Triumvirate as part of John's vision.

 

 

 

The leaders of our denomination have followed Satan down this path and are teaching a lie.

 

Apparently, the SDA denomination is not really *your* denomination...

 

 

Mr Tierney, in nearly every one of your posts you make sarcastic remarks directed towards the ones who bother to read your posts.  You're not going to win anyone to your side with that attitude... 

 

 Ironically, Pope Francis seems to have more humility and demonstrates more caring than what is being shown here in your remarks....

[jamesonofthunder]

Not really mocking...  Just pointing out the obvious.  You cut and stacked the wood, put gasoline on the fuel, and handed us the match.  I just struck the match.  

 

I do appreciate that given your track record on predictions, there seems little risk that your predictions about me are much to be feared... 

My track record on predictions based off of one mistake? 

 

What about when God told me of a wall that would be built in Israel showing me specific elements that are currently exactly as predicted?

 

http://whentheycrypeaceandsafety.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-dreamed-of-massive-wall.html

 

After 9/11 when God gave me a vision of Jesus calling on the Father to hold the four winds when the second plane hit the world Trade Center...

 (http://godheldthefourwinds.blogspot.com/2011/12/911-god-held-four-wiinds.html) God also gave me a dream of what would happen in Israel.

He showed me a massive wall that stretched from horizon to horizon and the only way through was check points made of barbed wire in the form of a s-turn cue that the guards could trane their guns through. I made it to the end of the cue and stepped inside an electric turn-style which locked me inside. To my right was a sign that said "anyone who damages this fence endangers their life" and it was written in three different languages which was significant. Then I heard the Still Small Voice say "when they cry peace and safety then sudden destruction comes..." and I woke up.

Several weeks later I watched a news report that was agitated towards Israel voting to build a wall of segregation between the sons of Ishmael and Isaac.

In that interview three of the exact things that were in my dream were visible including the sign in three languages.

Then a year later they officially started building the wall and now it is almost complete. Pope Francis stopped at that wall last year and said a blessing and prayed. This was a sign from God to my heart about the intent of his mission and three weeks later the leader of Palestine and the leader of Israel met in the Vatican in ROME and prayed together.

WHEN THEY CRY PEACE AND SAFETY THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMES and now we are in the time of the eighth king leading them to cry peace and safety yet no one in the church will take these perfect dreams seriously!

 

You know nothing of my track record yet you still stand with arms crossed in judgment. You prove God promted me to challenge you on your judgment of me with no other input but His word. You are exposed and will be even more soon.

[jamesonofthunder]

"The official Triumvirate was only 10 years long (43 BC - 33 BC), and the elected officials only held office for a period of 5 years.  While admittedly there were politically-induced Roman civil battles during those 10 years, there were no iconoclastic happenings which would precipitate the inclusion of the Triumvirate as part of John's vision."

So those 10 years meant nothing? Where do you get your reasoning? Are you who knows? You are more inspired than the ones filled with the Holy Spirit at the Midnight Cry? Wow another special one. 

 

And about me being an Seventh Day Adventist, why would you say that? I was led directly to the Seventh Day Adventist Church after fasting and praying while reading scripture for seven days. On the seventh day of my fast in 1995 after never hearing about the Sabbath as still applicable, or the Seventh Day Adventist Church, while reading Matthew 12:8 "Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath Day" a light surrounded those words and the Still Small Voice told me "this will lead you home to me", then He led led me directly to the phone number of the SDA church which happened to have a prophet who had dreams that were exactly like the ones God was giving me, and I was baptized that month and have had dozens of Holy dreams that have come true and you dare to say I am not a seventh Day Adventist? Really? I believe in the Spirit of Prophecy with all my soul. Do you?

 

You do not even know me yet make this accusation. Upon what do you base this judgment? Where are your witnesses against me. Let them stand and make their case so God can hear. He is listening.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

methinks thou dost protest too much...

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[jamesonofthunder]

The mistake I made in declaring Satan would come impersonating one of the previous popes to fill the position of the eighth papal king after the head wound was a personal opinion based off the fact that the Spirit of Prophecy says there would massive sightings of demons impersonating dead saints in the last days and I assumed since some translations say Revelation 17:11 says the eighth would be one of the seven, this would sound plausible, BUT I NEVER CLAIMED THAT WAS INSPIRED.

 

AND the vision Mrs White had in Early Writings of the Train heading with lightning speed to perdition (exactly like my first dream after being led to the Sabbath) seemed to support this conclusion.

 

Here is the whole matter for anyone who cares.

 

After being led to the Sabbath and Spirit of Prophecy, through coming by faith, fully convicted to the Seventh Day Adventist message (within ONE WEEK and no man's leading!) God gave me a dream that encompassed my whole walk of faith.

 

In the dream I was on board a train heading south to a huge abyss, and was starting to pick up steam. It was not going so fast that I couldn't get off so I jumped and after landing headed west on a journey. After a long time of a desolate land I got weary and stopped into a Circus, the only place around. I met a woman at the gate of the Big Top who ushered me in, I fought my way across the crowd and stood in front row to see the evil master of ceremonies say "behold now you shall see the power of God" and fire rained down out of heaven into the open trunk. As soon as I saw it I knew it was strange fire and needed to use every ounce of energy to turn around and leave. Then another woman was at the gate when I left. (Each woman taunted me while I was giving them my heart) She was instigating me to hurt her and using very aggressive means to do it. She threw me a football at me and said "try to knock me off my podium". I threw it hard but not wanting to hurt her. She caught it with ease then said "I knew you didn't have it in you." Then as I walked away sad I turned and found her in the arms of the Master of ceremonies. As I walked away I continued to the west but the day was almost spent. I walked into a beautiful field full of wheat and there was only a sliver of golden sunlight over the horizon.  I thought to myself who could possibly harvest all of this? And the Still Small Voice said "the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few" and I awoke.

 

Then after relating this dream to a brother of mine in my newfound SDA church in Fairbanks AK he said "have you read any of Ellen Whites writings yet?" and I said no. Then he showed me this writing in Early Writings.

 

‘I saw the rapidity with which this delusion (ghosts) was spreading. A train of cars was shown me, going with the speed of lightning. The angel bade me look carefully. I fixed my eyes upon the train. It seemed that the whole world was on board, that there could not be one left. Said the angel, "They are binding in bundles ready to burn." Then he showed me the conductor, who appeared like a stately, fair person, whom all the passengers looked up to and reverenced. I was perplexed and asked my attending angel who it was. He said, "It is Satan. He is the conductor in the form of an angel of light. He has taken the world captive. They are given over to strong delusions, to believe a lie, that they may be damned. This agent, the next highest in order to him, is the engineer, and other of his agents are employed in different offices as he may need them, and they are all going with lightning speed to perdition”.’ Early Writings (1882), page 89

 

 

This impressed me exactly like the dream God gave me, before I had ever even heard of the Spirit of Prophecy, and He was already speaking to me.

 

This dream continued to be fulfilled, every aspect of it. I backslid and went back to working for Ozzy Osborne and touring in rock bands after finding the Sabbath. The first day I broke the Sabbath I met a woman who was there until I started wanting to get out again. Then the night I retired permanently from wanting to be a rock and roll star I met the next woman in my life who taunted me to hurt her. I went as far as writing a letter to her friends telling them the hateful things she had done and then I realized the night I found her having an affair that it was the night of the Superbowl (football), and since that day God has continued to give me dreams and visions that have been perfectly fulfilled and not one element has failed.

 

But on the issue of elements that I do not claim as inspired I have my own opinions, and when I am wrong God corrects me, and I repent and accept the correction, and you judge me for this? WOW.

 

I was praying with a friend to know what the seven heads of the beast of Revelation 17 are and she said in the Spirit "some people believe that the seven heads are the last seven popes" and God's Still Small Voice totally supported this. I prayed and asked "then who is the eighth?" and He said "it is Satan in the form of an angel of light" EXACTLY like the vision Mrs White had about the train head with lightning speed to perdition. The eighth king of Revelation 17 leads the world to PERDITION.

 

But God didn't say the eighth is a stately fair person that the whole world looks up to in reverence. He said "It is Satan in the form of angel of light", just like her vision which has elements that are exactly like my vision. I couldn't see until the retirement of Benedict XVI what the prophecy was pointing to. I had to be alert to watch for the fulfillment and it was fulfilled perfectly, but just in a way I hadn't anticipated. But because I was watching it was revealed to me. Now the seventh king "MUST REMAIN A SHORT TIME" when he retired. Soon Benedict will die and this is another part of that prophecy. 

 

Satan is appearing as an angel of light in the form of a man who is claiming to have the power to dedicate the world to Mary. Pope Francis is the eighth king since the head wound started to heal and he is the "stately fair person which the whole world looks up to in reverence". Is this not what Francis has accomplished?

 

My dream of the train heading to perdition was the same as Mrs Whites, but I got off and followed the unction on a journey and I went through the time of backsliding and He brought me through, and now I am in the field and you all mock me and taunt me and God is judging you the way you judge me. Shame on you.

[jamesonofthunder]

methinks thou dost protest too much...

You make judgments without knowledge and you are judged the way you judge me. You bring no witness and accuse so you are the accuser. When I present what God shows me He always inspires to quote his word yet you think your word is sufficient. Me thinks you don't protest enough.

[jamesonofthunder]

 

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“Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it”

― Sara Shepard, Wanted

 

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“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”

― Edmund Burke

 

“Those unable to catalog the past are doomed to repeat it.”

― Lemony Snicket, The End

 

“He who doesn't understand history is doomed to repeat it.”

― Pittacus Lore, I Am Number Four

 

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (George Santayana)

I've got news for Mr. Santayana: we're doomed to repeat the past no matter what. That's what it is to be alive.”

― Kurt Vonnegut

 

“We're doomed to repeat the past no matter what. That's what it is to be alive. It's pretty dense kids who haven't figured that out by the time they're ten.... Most kids can't afford to go to Harvard and be misinformed.”

― Kurt Vonnegut, Bluebeard

 

“Learn from history or you're doomed to repeat it.”

― Jesse Ventura

 

“Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. You have to expose who you are so that you can determine what you need to become.”

― Cynthia A. Patterson

 

“It's been my experience, Langford, that the past always has a way of returning. Those who don't learn, or can't remember it, are doomed to repeat it.”

― Steve Berry, The Charlemagne Pursuit

 

“He who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it.”

― Paul Christopher, The Lucifer Gospel

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Come on, the controlling power of any entity even in every modern language is called the HEAD of the organization. How ignorant for people to apply non biblical supposition to prophecy. No other prophecy has ever dealt this way.

 

"No prophecy can be found dealing with subjects in that way: that is, introducing new symbols to represent old governments which had had their day, and passed away, never again to appear among men. What conceivable reason could there be for prophecy thus to deal with them? Prophecy relates to the future from the time it is given not to the past. It only goes back far enough into the past to show the grounds for the future events which it predicts, and to identify the symbols which it introduces. Of this we have an illustration in Rev. 12:1, 2. And just as soon as a nation has performed its part and passed away, it is dropped out of the chain of events, and the prophecy goes on with the future."

[‘7 HEADS’ p. 5 Para. 2].

 

You all argue against the Spirit of Prophecy. Why would Mrs White say Pope Pius VI was the "head" who received the deadly wound?

 

"...looked upon the bust of Pius VI... who was led into captivity and died in captivity. Here was the one marked in history who received the deadly wound. His heart is encased in the marble monument beneath where the bust is located. We felt rather solemn as we looked upon the monument of this man noted in prophecy." Letter 110, 1886, p. 2. (To W. C. White and wife, November 4, 1886.)

 

 

"In the sixth century the papacy had become firmly established. Its seat of power was fixed in the imperial city, and the bishop of Rome was declared to be the head over the entire church. Paganism had given place to thepapacy. The dragon had given to the beast “his power, and his seat, and great authority.” Revelation 13:2. And now began the 1260 years of papal oppression foretold in the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation. Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:5-7. (See Appendix.) Christians were forced to choose either to yield their integrity and accept the papal ceremonies and worship, or to wear away their lives in dungeons or suffer death by the rack,the fagot, or the headsman’s ax. Now were fulfilled the words of Jesus: “Ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for My name’s sake.” Luke 21:16, 17. Persecution opened upon thefaithful with greater fury than ever before, and the world became a vast battlefield. For hundreds of years the church of Christ found refuge in seclusion and obscurity. Thus says the prophet: “The woman fled into thewilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and three-score days.” Revelation 12:6. {GC 54.2}

 

This fits perfectly with what God showed me, but not at all with how you all teach this subject, so YOU are contradicting the Spirit of Prophecy plain and simple and you refuse to wake up.