Different dimensions and God

[Gail]

Recently I was party to a strange but interesting conversation.

I have recently read Nikola Tesla's autobiography entitled, "My Inventions." Tesla had extraordinary powers of intuition and visualisation as well as an enhanced sense of hearing. He desired to use his inventions for the betterment of the world. Even his "death ray" device was intended as a defensive weapon in the light of the newly-formed and threatening Third Reich.

His greatest idea was the transmission of wireless power. He foresaw back then wireless communication which would include images and dissolve the problem of distance that they faced back in his day.

Occultism raged during his time. He mentions once nearly tossing out a delegation from Henry Ford for some occultic suggestion within a business proposal. He felt that occurrences deemed to be occultic would eventually be explained through science and did not believe them to be spiritual.

This discussion morphed into one of dimensions. It brings to mind a talk by Rob Bell where he pictured that in a two-dimensional world if you stuck your 3-dimensional hand into the plane of existence of someone in a two-dimensional world, all that person would discern of your hand would be a line. Your fingers would appear to them as 5 lines. But you with your 3-dimensional existence know for certain the appearance of your hand.

God inhabits a dimension that is beyond us, where time and matter are different and transcend what we are able to understand. He calls us just to believe and trust what He tells us in His word.

It sounds spacey but scientifically-speaking, Why not?

[Gail]

Incidentally my friend believes that Tesla's abilities were God-given; that there are individuals that are specially endowed. Interesting thoughts!

[Aliensanctuary]

When I read in the scriptures events occurring on the Day of the Lord: the sky rolling up and stars falling, I wonder if his appearance is connected with his arrival from another dimension or universe. I'm thinking that those falling "stars" are more likely objects falling from space targeting those attacking Israel and destroying them.

 

Tesla had an impressive intellect, but sadly, didn't receive a Nobel Prize for his contributions to science due to his otherworldly obsessions, I suppose.

[Gail]

Not only that but Marconi got credit for the radio which was a copy of a patent he owned. Somehow Marconi slipped through a patent that was later disallowed but only too late.

He also got the shaft from Thomas Edison. Edison realized that Tesla's alternating current would kill Edison's direct current idea (which it did anyway) and Edison belittled him until he left. Thankful for all of us George Westinghouse picked him up and benefitted from his genius.

But I agree with you about the Scriptural references. The presence of God is often shown as being accompanied with lightings and thunderings. The Bible talks about God knowing our thoughts and needs before we pray about them. There is a secret regarding time that we are not yet privy to.

As in the case with Tesla and his ideas about wireless communication and power transmission that were finally proved... Maybe there is something scientific about God that we just haven't discovered yet. That should not put Him outside the scientific box, should it?

[Aliensanctuary]

Maybe there is something scientific about God that we just haven't discovered yet. That should not put Him outside the scientific box, should it?          

 

On the contrary. Where some see miracles, others see engineering on a scale far, far beyond human abilities to duplicate, e.g. atomic structure, light, DNA, human thought... One can only wonder what happened when God spoke and stars appeared, according to the scriptures. Maybe there was a transfer from one dimension to another.

 

Too bad Tesla got the shaft, but despite his brilliance, he was quite eccentric. Maybe he suffered from mental illness in his later years, doing everything in "threes", not to mention the "sixes and nines". He really should get a medal, even if only posthumously. I consider him as an equal to Leonardo DaVinci after seeing his notes and drawings and photos in a TV program about him. He was a giant upon which today's technology depends.

 

Physicists/mathematicians have postulated several other dimensions, but I think that they are very small. Maybe an entire universe can fit into one of those seemingly tiny dimensions.

[Sojourner]

Interestingly Nicolas Tesla was a Pastors kid - his father was a minister in the Serbian Orthodox Church.

 

I don't disagree with the suggestion re alternate dimensions. G-d transcends all time and space. I have also thought over the years that this is why there needs to be no real problem between Christians that believe in Soul Sleep of the dead and those who believe in immediate heaven, because when you remove our understanding of time from the discussion they become the same concept. 

 

 

 

[JoeMo]

If you are sufficiently curious, read "The Universe in a Nutshell" and/or "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.  He postulates many dimensions (I think it is 23) based on the math of theoretical physics.

 

I have considered AlienSanctuary's idea of G-d being a representative of a technology so far advanced to ours that it would appear "divine".  Imagine taking a super , fully charged laptop loaded with videos, music, photos, business software, etc. back in time 150 - 200 years. There would be no internet (too bad), which is why you would need to have everything loaded on your hard drive.  Many people would consider you a witch or a god, and your computer a way to talk to the gods or the demons.  My spiritual experiences prevent me from considering it for too long.

 

As far as Tesla is concerned, he was a genius; but he was also very socially challenged.  Westinghouse's AC power solution won out against Tesla's wireless transmission of power mostly cuz George Westinghouse was a real charming and sociable guy; but Tesla was considered to be a word that rhymes with "mass mole". 

Nevertheless, some of Tesla's concepts are being revived. See:

Nevertheless, Tesla's concepts are being revived.  See 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/14/tech/innovation/wireless-electricity/and http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/wireless-power2.htm.

[Aliensanctuary]

there needs to be no real problem between Christians that believe in Soul Sleep of the dead and those who believe in immediate heaven, because when you remove our understanding of time from the discussion they become the same concept. 

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³¹ “But now, as to whether there will be a resurrection of the dead—haven’t you ever read about this in the Scriptures? Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said, ³² ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’So he is the God of the living, not the dead.”

 

I've often wondered about Jesus' comments here. Are these patriarchs alive and well in future time and another place? If so, does one have to die in order to reach that place?

[Gail]

Well, what do you know, but now I am reading a book written by a physicist (the man who pioneered Holographic Ultrasound Technology) regarding his belief in... (drum roll) other dimensions! Principally the fifth dimension, which comes after the three we know on earth which are: length, height, breadth and time.

His name is George Garlick, PhD and his doctorate is in electrical engineering and solid state physics. The book I am reading is entitled, The Journey to Truth, and it is his autobiography. It is his story on how through his study of science he became a Christian believer.

I gave a copy of the book to the above-mentioned friend for review. When I explained what I had seen (and I am not a science scholar by any means) he understood immediately. I am interested in hearing his thoughts after he's finished reading.

[Gail]

Anyways, he quotes Luke 17:20,21:

"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! Or, lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

But the Bible does speak of the kingdom of God having a spatial quality, as it talks about those who are called least or those who are called great IN the kingdom of heaven.

And since it does have a spatial quality but we cannot see it, how can that be?

Interesting book!

[Stewart (SDA)]

Interesting thoughts here Gail. Not wanting to distract from the theme, but there is perhaps a "simpler" dimensional quality to the things of God.

 

that we, "being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height [of love];  And to know the love of Christ, which [sur]passeth knowledge..." (Eph 3:17-19)

 

I suggest that the "breadth" of Divine love points to its inclusiveness. (In contrast to a "narrow", exclusive, love.)

The "length" to its endurance. The "depth"  to its depth, layer upon layer. (In contrast to "shallow" love, based on sentiment and circumstance.) The "height" to its quality, etc.

[LifeHiscost]

I've often wondered about Jesus' comments here. Are these patriarchs alive and well in future time and another place? If so, does one have to die in order to reach that place?

…4For whoever is joined with all the living, there is hope; surely a live dog is better than a dead lion. 5For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. 6Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun....Ecclesiastes 9

 

There are the exceptions such as Moses and Elijah on the mount of transfiguration as well as those who came from the grave at the time Jesus was resurrected. However I would suggest the vast majority of those who at last enjoy life everlasting will be included along with king David, defined as a man after God's own heart.

 

God is Love!   Jesus saves!  

[Gregory Matthews]

Dimensions:  Current thought postulates some 11 to 13 dimensions based upon the math and string theory. 

[Gail]

I know... Boggling

[debbym]

Dimensions:  Current thought postulates some 11 to 13 dimensions based upon the math and string theory. 

 

Isaiah 58 says, my ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts, as high as the heavens are above the earth so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts that your thoughts.

 

The heavens are lightyears above the earth. There is are limits on sin.  However infinite our imagination can seem, and our ego can boast, we are puny things, and sin is contained and confined till it will be destroyed forever.

 

I have thought, in the perfection and greatness of God, the one who calls all the stars by name and there are billions and billions of them... that perhaps God exists on 49 dimensions, 7 times 7 dimensions.  The human experience of sin, confined to our three dimensions, was enough to allow the development of universal understanding the the principles of heaven versus the principles of selfishness. 

 

To consider that Jesus incarnated himself into a mere three dimensional existence to meet us in our need, in our sin, and break us free, is subduing to my heart.  This clearly  adds more to the picture of the great love, sacrifice and condescension of Christ.

[Gregory Matthews]

Good post Debbym.

 

If  God does exist in 49 dimensions, we do not have either the math nor the theory to suggest/explain such.

 

Such current theory depends both on string theory and math.  If either is wrong (String theory is challenged by some.), then we do not even know that there are 11 - 13 dimensions.

 

The real issue to me is:  What is the meaning in all of this?  What does it mean for me personally living in this life and dimension? 

 

One can extend current thinking to the idea of other universes, as has been postulated by some.

 

The reality of that is that we will never know if others universes exist as information cannot pass from one to another, if they do exist. 

 

I guess that there may be more information to be gained than we can ever know in this life and that may be why we will have an eternity to study it all, in a future life. 

 

NOTE:  Astrophysics and cosmology interests me even though much of it is beyond my ability to understand, partially because of my limited understanding of math.

[GayatfootofCross]

Isaiah 58 says, my ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts, as high as the heavens are above the earth so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts that your thoughts.

 

The heavens are lightyears above the earth. There is are limits on sin.  However infinite our imagination can seem, and our ego can boast, we are puny things, and sin is contained and confined till it will be destroyed forever.

 

I have thought, in the perfection and greatness of God, the one who calls all the stars by name and there are billions and billions of them... that perhaps God exists on 49 dimensions, 7 times 7 dimensions.  The human experience of sin, confined to our three dimensions, was enough to allow the development of universal understanding the the principles of heaven versus the principles of selfishness. 

 

To consider that Jesus incarnated himself into a mere three dimensional existence to meet us in our need, in our sin, and break us free, is subduing to my heart.  This clearly  adds more to the picture of the great love, sacrifice and condescension of Christ.

yes yes

it bears repeating

yes to all of it

[LifeHiscost]

It sounds spacey but scientifically-speaking, Why not?

I cannot place any divine or earthly cognizance in the exploits or manifestations of fallen humankind except that directly explained by the Lord of glory.

 

14But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."....Matthew 19

 

17But, "Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord." 18For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.....2 Corinthians 10

 

God is Love!  Jesus saves! 

[Lauralea]

When Jesus said before Abraham was I am He was saying He was the eternal one who transcends space and time. However we are finite beings

. We have been given a day to worship Him the Sabbath. The dead being asleep matters because those who think they are conscious may listen to false communications supposedly from them. God created all dimensions but we need to be aware of our Biblical relationship to Him and the Sabbath