Unwanted pregnancies

[Gail]

I have a problem with the idea of an unwanted pregnancy. The way I see it, a pregnancy is not the fault of the child neither should be regarded as a bad thing. It is the natural part of certain behaviour.

What motivated this rant? I just viewed a comic on the subject of sexualizing young children. The end result of the story was an unplanned pregnancy which was portrayed as a problem.

I wish that no pregnancy would be viewed as a problem and that every child could be truly welcomed into the world.

*end of rant*

[Naomi]

Understand your rant ... now how do we make your wish become a reality?

[Gerr]

If a girl/woman does not want to get pregnant,  she should avoid activities that can lead to pregnancy, or at least protect herself!

[Naomi]

Yes Gerry that appears simple enough ... now how to encourage compliance ????

[Gerr]

Yes Gerry that appears simple enough ... now how to encourage compliance ????

Bring back the chastity belt!

[Naomi]

ROF LOL  that should encourage many rants

[Gregory Matthews]

To clairfy: Gerry intended for the chastity belt to be worn by men.  After all, men can impregnate multiple women.

 

[B/W Photodude]

To clairfy: Gerry intended for the chastity belt to be worn by men.  After all, men can impregnate multiple women.

I am not laughing!  Seriously!  Some devices out there today were invented by Kellogg at the Battlecreek San. Do see the movie "The Road to Wellsville" which was a satire comedy about Kellogg and some of his devices were in the movie.

[Gregory Matthews]

Yes, I once saw the movie.  Yes, I know about male belts.

[Deaconess]

Solution:   Bring back the God-fearing, faithful, serious, imposing, slightly scary,

overtly concerned, and loving fathers who stay around and care for their sons and

daughters as he shows love and devotion to the mother of his children.     Boys just

might fall in line with the wishes of this man to see that the proper respect is given to

his precious daughter and see in him an example of how a lady should be treated.  

Girls might have less opportunity to aimlessly wander looking for a strong male figure

to admire and have higher expectations because of how she has seen her father treat

her mother.    This may not be politically correct, but the value of strong families is 

of extreme importance.   

[Gail]

And whatever you do, don't blame the baby for your troubles! Better to bring yourself around and at least save one life if you are not willing to respect yours.

[Sojourner]

Solution, in Australia remove barriers to adoption that Christian families might be able to embrace these children and raise them as their own if they are simply considered to be 'unwanted'. I think that embracing an unwanted child and raising that child as your own is one of the most 'Chrstian' things a person can do and is something I feel that G-d does require of us. I can tell you that I would have no problem in embracing another child into my family if I was able to in an circumstance like that.

Edited September 8, 2015 by Sojourner

[Gail]

Bless your heart, Sojourner, cause you just warmed mine :)

[Aliensanctuary]

I have a daughter unable to conceive, and it has caused her much pain to drive by Planned Parenthood facilities knowing that in there is where unwanted babies are killed. A couple of days ago a meth-head delivered the cutest little baby boy at our hospital. She refused to take him home, so he had to go to a foster home. It was her fifth child.

My daughter and husband are adopting an as-yet unborn baby girl from a young woman who realizes she cannot raise a child on her own. The baby is due to be born on Dec 24. This should really brighten up their lives and create new responsibilities.

I think that anyone who has an abortion should be subject to compulsory sterilization.

[Gail]

If the baby is born on Dec 24, it will share my birthday! Please let me know  

Wishing your daughter and her husband all the best

[Aliensanctuary]

Latest is that the girl carrying the baby to be adopted by my daughter and husband will have a c-section on Dec 17. 

[Outta Here]

Regarding the sterilization of women who've had an abortion...

Consider forgiveness. It's up to God to breathe life into us; to maintain our beating hearts; to give us water and sunlight. There are a lot of beautiful, God-loved babies born to mothers and fathers post-abortion. A lot of these parents suffer a crisis of faith and turn their eyes upon Jesus. Some go on to raise God-loving children who grow to be your Christian brothers and sisters. 

[ChildofChrist]

I know to engage in certain activity can and often  does results in a pregnancy. However, there are many times when the female is not a willing partner. 

Don't want to be the enemy's advocate, but just to be fair, ...there is another side to be considered.

[Gregory Matthews]

Did you know that clinical abortions are often done when the baby had died a natural death in the womb?

It is either that or the mother facing the thought of delivering the dead fetus at a time and place that could not be predicted.  Some women simply do not wish to face that prospect. 

I think that anyone who has an abortion should be subject to compulsory sterilization.

[Outta Here]

4 hours ago, ChildofChrist said:

I know to engage in certain activity can and often  does results in a pregnancy. However, there are many times when the female is not a willing partner. 

Don't want to be the enemy's advocate, but just to be fair, ...there is another side to be considered.

Not sure who "the enemy" is, but "just to be fair" how many aborted fetuses were willing partners to their premature death?

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

 

4 hours ago, ChildofChrist said:

I know to engage in certain activity can and often  does results in a pregnancy. However, there are many times when the female is not a willing partner. 

Don't want to be the enemy's advocate, but just to be fair, ...there is another side to be considered.

absolutely agree with CoC...

[Tom Wetmore]

Perhaps within the realm of the reality that life is infinitely nuanced and complex with way more than 50 shades of gray - so much so that simplistic answers and zero sum games with rules just don't fit or work very well in real life.

[LifeHiscost]

Isn't it interesting that, depending on who one gives their loyalty to, there is really only one shade that will last  and is expected to prevail.

48But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect....Matthew 5

13I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. 14Nevertheless, you have done well to share with me in my affliction.…Philippians 4

The first instruction is the goal to reach for, and the second is the assurance as well as the help others can do to share the responsibility for success.

God is Love!  Jesus saves! 

 

[fccool]

On 11/7/2015, 1:07:30, Tom Wetmore said:

Perhaps within the realm of the reality that life is infinitely nuanced and complex with way more than 50 shades of gray - so much so that simplistic answers and zero sum games with rules just don't fit or work very well in real life.

Even when we approach the semantic meaning of the OP question... what are we talking about?

Human desire isn't a one-level thing.   It's an agglomerate of various constraints and factors.   Just because I don't want to go to work doesn't mean that I won't, or don't understand that I should.   In that sense... I want to go to work, even though I don't.   One may look at it as a paradox, until we understand that our "wants" is an agglomerate of factors that tend to take us into a direction of eventual action.

I think that in that context, "Unwanted pregnancy" makes sense.   Women can be raped, or she may not be ready to mother a child in context of her current ability.

All of the external talk about "she shouldn't do this or that" is irrelevant in terms of the environment that one exists in.   In some northern villages, people existing in isolation would send out young women elsewhere to get pregnant in order to prevent inbreeding and the entire tribe dying from debilitating diseases.  So, the women would go out, sleep with strangers and come back pregnant and re-entegrated into their tribe.

What is more wrong in such context?   It's not that simple.

The same with younger generation today.   The previous generation:

1)  Allowed for commercial sexualization of virtually everything imaginable
2)  Delayed adulthood which results to lack of access to natural fulfillment of sex, and drives younger generation to products that circle right back into "sex sex sex" which is prohibited....
3)  And then the church tells them that sex is dirty and in their state and environment they are trapped in a constant cycle of guilt between their natural expression of sex, and guilt that church re-enforces and capitalizes on... 
4)  And after all is said and done, young people are to blame for getting caught in an endless cycle of confusion with both sides playing them like a pipe

I'd say that for anyone who demands pre-marital abstinence also should demand societal structure that wouldn't make such ideal to be incredibly difficult for younger generation.

[ChildofChrist]

Fccool, Just curious... are you referring to young adults or older ones when you are thinking/mentioning "pre-martial abstinence" ?