Debate: Is Homosexuality Compatible with Christianity?

[Robert]

[GayatfootofCross]

o good another LGBTIQQAA  thread i did not make

Edited September 24, 2015 by GayatfootofCross

[Robert]

Edited September 24, 2015 by Robert

[GayatfootofCross]

I'm trying to space them out.

I have plenty to share.

Edited September 24, 2015 by GayatfootofCross

[Gerr]

As a practice?  No.

[8thdaypriest]

A better question would have been, "Is continued homosexual behavior compatible with belief in Christ, as Savior and LORD ?" 

[JoeMo]

Like this subject is ever going to be resolved here... NOT!

[stinsonmarri]

First of all there are THREE BEINGS called ELOHIM who made us into THEIR IMAGE and LIKENESS. The Catholic Church has so deceive the world including now the Adventist who believe something so stupid. Entire Protestants keep Sunday by deception and Adventist has join in believing in the trinity in which the pioneers of this church shun!!! Did they fully understand it all of course not but they did not hold to personality mess for ELOHIM. How on earth can we believe such stupid, yes stupid stuff! The Bible showed you that Abraham saw three men and one was finally recognize as YAHSHUA or MICHAEL THE SON OF YAHWEH before becoming flesh, HE had a body!!!!! We know HE was an THE ARK ANGEL who wrestle all night with Jacob. Joshua saw HIM, Nebuchadnezzar a heathen king recognized HIM. HE was the ONE who dealt with Moses wrote on a table of stone the Law and Commandments. Spoke and THE HOLY SPIRIT ELOHIM, who we do not respect all is THE ONE who moved on the deep and brought creation into existing. The word RUACH means LIFE and not some ghost which again comes from Satan through Greece and accepted by who else the Catholic Church and all of us believe this stupidity, is just mind boggling to how believe this nonsense. Men put in the possession word to claim that THE HOLY SPIRIT comes from ELOHIM and HE does not. YAHSHUA clearly states if you grieve or push HIM away you have no link to HIM or HIS FATHER!!! Explain anyone to me how Adam and Eve became one flesh and you all know that meant they work together but take the same word one to place THE FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT as some on thing with three personality, what is this. It makes no sense and the Bible does not hold up to this at all.

Homosexual is a sin, get it everyone a sin. We are not to force anyone over their sexual preference! However, if they continue this practice as a liar, murder, adulterer, backbiter, thieve they will burn in the Lake of Fire and not in hell which simply means hell. Again, another Catholic word to deceive us that hell is a hole somewhere cooking people. Boy do we believe anything, I guess that is why we eat anything. I cannot fathom how THEY put up with us as long as they have. We will not read and check out things just believe it because someone said it but don't read it anywhere in the Bible!!!!!!!!!!

 

Blessings!

[GayatfootofCross]

I'm still listening to this debate in the OP in increments. 

[riveting]

It is 3 hours long.

Later I will put up a debate between to Two Gay Christian Guys I adore.

One who believes that gay sex is a sin and another ..uhh not so much.

Listening to straights arguing about gays and their adult  lives is like the Ladies listening to two men arguing whats it like to a woman

 

The Bible is God's Word

That is not up for debate

What is up for debate is  our understanding of scriptures and our picture of GOD

I shared a bit here........

 

 

 

Blessings!

 

 

Edited September 25, 2015 by GayatfootofCross

[GayatfootofCross]

oh yes BTW

The Church, as a whole, has taken it's own right to speak into the LGBTIQQAA hearts and lives.

Cause of the constant abuses, sad ignorance, ugly arrogance, and soul stealing hatred since Antiquity.

I don't even have to go that far back.

My short lifetime has been enough.

God bless you all!

God holds ONE OPINION ON US ALL

We are of unsurpassable worth.

We are to mirror that.

 

# i have said that before and will say it again

Edited September 25, 2015 by GayatfootofCross

[stinsonmarri]

I am sorry the word hell comes from hades which mean a whole in the ground or the grave.

Hell (n.): Old English hel, helle, "nether world, abode of the dead, infernal regions, place of torment for the wicked after death," from Proto-Germanic *haljo "the underworld" (cognates: Old Frisian helle, Old Saxon hellia, Dutch hel, Old Norse hel, German Hölle, Gothic halja "hell"). Literally "concealed place" (compare Old Norse hellir "cave, cavern"), from PIE *kel- (2) "to cover, conceal" (see cell). 

The English word may be in part from Old Norse mythological Hel (from Proto-Germanic *halija "one who covers up or hides something"), in Norse mythology the name of Loki's daughter who rules over the evil dead in Niflheim, the lowest of all worlds (nifl "mist"). A pagan concept and word fitted to a Christian idiom. In Middle English, also of the Limbus Patrum, place where the Patriarchs, Prophets, etc. awaited the Atonement. Used in the KJV for Old Testament Hebrew Sheol and New Testament Greek Hades Gehenna. Etymology Online Dictionary.

Blessings!

[GayatfootofCross]

 

David Gushee wrote a wonderful book on this Topic

 http://www.amazon.com/Changing-Mind-second-David-Gushee/dp/1939880939/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1444872934&sr=1-1&keywords=changing+our+mind+david+gushee

 

and I put here some  of his thoughts about debating this most delicate issue

.....................................................................................................................................................................................................

One year ago I published CHANGING OUR MIND, my effort to think through LGBT issues as a Christian minister and ethicist. I am proud of the book. I have articulated and defended my views in many venues. But some are unsatisfied. They want a debate between me and one or more of my hardline critics. Here is my response, in seven reasons:

1) The characters who have been challenging me to debate strike me as unworthy debate interlocutors for a variety of reasons, including many evidences of a harsh and graceless spirit that violates Christian orthopraxy.

2) I have rarely found debate formats of much value. If the goal is a scholarly discussion, I prefer more standard academic settings such as are found in professional society meetings.

3) I will indeed discuss my views in three venues at such meetings this November, including ETS, Word Made Fresh, and AAR.

4) I am so loyal to the LGBT Christians with whom I stand in solidarity, that I am actually far more concerned about vivisecting their lives in public than I am about any damage to my reputation for refusing to do so.

5) No conversation about the lives of LGBT people should fail to include LGBT voices. All of these debate challenges lack such voices.

6) The events at which I have accepted invitations over the last year have almost exclusively been a) events in which churches or other bodies are genuinely struggling with discernment issues as to what is the will of the Lord, or LGBT Christians seeking community, solace, and resources ask me to enter their world and be in conversation with them. These events strike me as worthy of my time.

7) I am convinced that debating whether LGBT people should be welcome in the Christian community on the exact same terms as heterosexual, cisgendered Christians (which is how I believe this conversation should be framed) is intrinsically offensive, as offensive as debating the morality of other forms of discrimination. I believe it would be degrading to participate in such a debate.

........................

I don't know if you  listened to the whole three hour debate but I found it lacking on both sides.

I don't debate this Issue

I share big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God bless you, Robert.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alan Chambers: “Same-sex relationships can be holy”

Eliel Cruz | Sep 29, 2015 | 1 Comment

 535 168reddit0

 

 

 

 1

In 2013, Alan Chambers apologized to the LGBT community for the damaged he caused at the helm of Exodus International – formerly the world’s largest ex-gay group. The apology shocked conservative Christians who for two decades used Chambers as a poster boy for so-called reparative therapy.

At that time, Chambers said his core beliefs hadn’t changed. He still believed that that marriage was meant to be between a man and woman. Now Chambers and his wife, Leslie, have written a book, My Exodus: From Fear To Grace — their views on marriage have evolved.

Show caption

My Exodus: From Fear to Grace is out September 29

(This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity and length.)

What made you decide to write the book?

Coming out of Exodus, we felt like there is a story to be told. We started thinking about how we could tell the story because we knew people were going to have questions about what we did. I started thinking about writing some sort of book before Exodus closed but could not hone in on what exactly I wanted to say. My first thought was, “don’t edit me.” I have been edited for so long I did not want my story to be edited any longer.

In My Exdous: From Fear To Grace, you described your role in promoting reparative therapy at Exodus as complicit. Were you?

I definitely take ownership. For me, there was a part of it that I just stepped into. When I got involved with Exodus [reparative therapy] was just the norm. I got involved as a 19-year-old kid it was kind of like growing up in the church – you sit there for so long and it was just what you believed.

[Reparative therapy] was just something that was the overarching belief. This is what causes homosexuality and this is what you do to get over it. The things [about reparative therapy] I learned when I was young, and the ways they were taught, made sense to me. It seemed like it was the majority story for LGBT people. [Reparative therapy] was the end all be all to being gay.

The longer I was there I would question certain things. I changed the narratives as I was examining my own life and the people that I was meeting. We began to make adjustments, like not calling ourselves ex-gay and being critical of different parts of the therapeutic process that we found objectionable. For example, things like “holding therapy.” As we began to chip away at it, I found there was so much more I disagreed with.

I absolutely own it. I perpetuated a lot of shame and unhealthy religion that ensnared me and so many other people.

---

READ: Let the churches say amen to ban on LGBT ‘conversion therapy’

---

 

Should reparative therapy be outlawed?

I support, and I’ve written about this, a ban on reparative therapy for minors. It perpetuates shame and I think it is dangerous. When it comes to the therapeutic niche of reparative therapy where psychotherapists and certified professionals are providing therapy with goals to change sexual orientation – that should absolutely be banned.

For adults, I appreciate what the state of California did that requires adults to sign a duty to warn. [They should have] participants sign a disclaimer noting sexual orientation doesn’t change and that it can be harmful. There need to be greater safe guards for adults. For children, I don’t think they should be subjected to that at all.

That does not mean we should tell pastors they couldn’t help their parishioners. We could run the risk of infringing on their religious freedoms. I do not think pastors should tell their kids that their orientation can change—that’s dangerous. But I think we should be educating pastors on how to respond to their gay youth.

How do you respond to people who say if you truly believed in God’s power your sexual orientation would change?

As a man who has same-sex attractions who has an orientation that is gay — but who is happily married to a woman and contentedly and successful in every aspect of that — there is no point for my sexual orientation to be changed. To want to change…that is unimportant to me. I do not think changing your orientation is something anyone experiences.

If your biblical understanding of sexuality is such that gay is not something that you can reconcile, I don’t think that straight is better. I think there are all sorts of downfalls to heterosexuality as well. When it comes to the conservative view of salvation – it’s not straight or gay that gets us to heaven. It’s Jesus. Sexuality in that part is irrelevant. We’ve made far too big of an issue of it so much so that we’ve damaged people and I think we have to stop doing that.

---

READ: Ex-gay stories flourish when bisexuality is ignored

---

Your ambiguity and outright refusal to label your sexuality seems as if you’re still playing into religious communities’  change narrative. Why won’t you label your sexuality?

I believe sexual orientation is a part of everyone’s life. Whether they have a gay or straight orientation… and there are some people who have no orientation as in they’re not sexually driven at all. My primary orientation is same-gender.

If you’re going to nail me down on what has been the predominant orientation in my life — it’s that. As a married man, whether I had a straight or gay orientation, my orientation is fixed to my chosen partner. As a married man, I give the most energy to that as I think every married couple should.

When Leslie and I are having sex she’s not screaming “I’m so glad you’re straight” or “I’m so glad you’re gay.” It’s irrelevant. I love and am able to have sex with my wife.

As I am telling the story through my book, I am recounting my truth in the moment. I was trying to be straight but really I was gay. Now at this point, I do not choose a label because there is not one that is best for me. Now, if someone were to call me straight I would challenge them. If someone where to call me gay or bisexual, I would not necessarily challenge them. Those labels seem insufficient.

Where do you stand on same-sex relationships? Are you affirming of them?

I do believe that same-sex relationship can be holy. As a Christian, I think marriage is best. That is why I’m supportive of the Supreme Court decision for the legal recognition of same-sex marriage. I think same-sex marriages can reflect, and often do, God’s image. Many people in the church either do not know of Christ-centered same-sex relationships or refuse to see them. Leslie and I have met so many individuals who have awesome stories and are doing amazing work. Their marriages absolutely reflect the image of God.

- See more at: http://elielcruz.religionnews.com/2015/09/29/alan-chambers-same-sex-relationships-can-be-holy/#sthash.6UHDM0of.tZcjTg1D.dpuf

Alan Chambers: “Same-sex relationships can be holy”

Eliel Cruz | Sep 29, 2015 | 1 Comment

 535 168reddit0

 

 

 

 1

In 2013, Alan Chambers apologized to the LGBT community for the damaged he caused at the helm of Exodus International – formerly the world’s largest ex-gay group. The apology shocked conservative Christians who for two decades used Chambers as a poster boy for so-called reparative therapy.

At that time, Chambers said his core beliefs hadn’t changed. He still believed that that marriage was meant to be between a man and woman. Now Chambers and his wife, Leslie, have written a book, My Exodus: From Fear To Grace — their views on marriage have evolved.

Show caption

My Exodus: From Fear to Grace is out September 29

(This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity and length.)

What made you decide to write the book?

Coming out of Exodus, we felt like there is a story to be told. We started thinking about how we could tell the story because we knew people were going to have questions about what we did. I started thinking about writing some sort of book before Exodus closed but could not hone in on what exactly I wanted to say. My first thought was, “don’t edit me.” I have been edited for so long I did not want my story to be edited any longer.

In My Exdous: From Fear To Grace, you described your role in promoting reparative therapy at Exodus as complicit. Were you?

I definitely take ownership. For me, there was a part of it that I just stepped into. When I got involved with Exodus [reparative therapy] was just the norm. I got involved as a 19-year-old kid it was kind of like growing up in the church – you sit there for so long and it was just what you believed.

[Reparative therapy] was just something that was the overarching belief. This is what causes homosexuality and this is what you do to get over it. The things [about reparative therapy] I learned when I was young, and the ways they were taught, made sense to me. It seemed like it was the majority story for LGBT people. [Reparative therapy] was the end all be all to being gay.

The longer I was there I would question certain things. I changed the narratives as I was examining my own life and the people that I was meeting. We began to make adjustments, like not calling ourselves ex-gay and being critical of different parts of the therapeutic process that we found objectionable. For example, things like “holding therapy.” As we began to chip away at it, I found there was so much more I disagreed with.

I absolutely own it. I perpetuated a lot of shame and unhealthy religion that ensnared me and so many other people.

---

READ: Let the churches say amen to ban on LGBT ‘conversion therapy’

---

 

Should reparative therapy be outlawed?

I support, and I’ve written about this, a ban on reparative therapy for minors. It perpetuates shame and I think it is dangerous. When it comes to the therapeutic niche of reparative therapy where psychotherapists and certified professionals are providing therapy with goals to change sexual orientation – that should absolutely be banned.

For adults, I appreciate what the state of California did that requires adults to sign a duty to warn. [They should have] participants sign a disclaimer noting sexual orientation doesn’t change and that it can be harmful. There need to be greater safe guards for adults. For children, I don’t think they should be subjected to that at all.

That does not mean we should tell pastors they couldn’t help their parishioners. We could run the risk of infringing on their religious freedoms. I do not think pastors should tell their kids that their orientation can change—that’s dangerous. But I think we should be educating pastors on how to respond to their gay youth.

How do you respond to people who say if you truly believed in God’s power your sexual orientation would change?

As a man who has same-sex attractions who has an orientation that is gay — but who is happily married to a woman and contentedly and successful in every aspect of that — there is no point for my sexual orientation to be changed. To want to change…that is unimportant to me. I do not think changing your orientation is something anyone experiences.

If your biblical understanding of sexuality is such that gay is not something that you can reconcile, I don’t think that straight is better. I think there are all sorts of downfalls to heterosexuality as well. When it comes to the conservative view of salvation – it’s not straight or gay that gets us to heaven. It’s Jesus. Sexuality in that part is irrelevant. We’ve made far too big of an issue of it so much so that we’ve damaged people and I think we have to stop doing that.

---

READ: Ex-gay stories flourish when bisexuality is ignored

---

Your ambiguity and outright refusal to label your sexuality seems as if you’re still playing into religious communities’  change narrative. Why won’t you label your sexuality?

I believe sexual orientation is a part of everyone’s life. Whether they have a gay or straight orientation… and there are some people who have no orientation as in they’re not sexually driven at all. My primary orientation is same-gender.

If you’re going to nail me down on what has been the predominant orientation in my life — it’s that. As a married man, whether I had a straight or gay orientation, my orientation is fixed to my chosen partner. As a married man, I give the most energy to that as I think every married couple should.

When Leslie and I are having sex she’s not screaming “I’m so glad you’re straight” or “I’m so glad you’re gay.” It’s irrelevant. I love and am able to have sex with my wife.

As I am telling the story through my book, I am recounting my truth in the moment. I was trying to be straight but really I was gay. Now at this point, I do not choose a label because there is not one that is best for me. Now, if someone were to call me straight I would challenge them. If someone where to call me gay or bisexual, I would not necessarily challenge them. Those labels seem insufficient.

Where do you stand on same-sex relationships? Are you affirming of them?

I do believe that same-sex relationship can be holy. As a Christian, I think marriage is best. That is why I’m supportive of the Supreme Court decision for the legal recognition of same-sex marriage. I think same-sex marriages can reflect, and often do, God’s image. Many people in the church either do not know of Christ-centered same-sex relationships or refuse to see them. Leslie and I have met so many individuals who have awesome stories and are doing amazing work. Their marriages absolutely reflect the image of God.

- See more at: http://elielcruz.religionnews.com/2015/09/29/alan-chambers-same-sex-relationships-can-be-holy/#sthash.6UHDM0of.tZcjTg1D.dpuf

Alan Chambers: “Same-sex relationships can be holy”

Eliel Cruz | Sep 29, 2015 | 1 Comment

 535 168reddit0

 

 

 

 1

In 2013, Alan Chambers apologized to the LGBT community for the damaged he caused at the helm of Exodus International – formerly the world’s largest ex-gay group. The apology shocked conservative Christians who for two decades used Chambers as a poster boy for so-called reparative therapy.

At that time, Chambers said his core beliefs hadn’t changed. He still believed that that marriage was meant to be between a man and woman. Now Chambers and his wife, Leslie, have written a book, My Exodus: From Fear To Grace — their views on marriage have evolved.

Show caption

My Exodus: From Fear to Grace is out September 29

(This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity and length.)

What made you decide to write the book?

Coming out of Exodus, we felt like there is a story to be told. We started thinking about how we could tell the story because we knew people were going to have questions about what we did. I started thinking about writing some sort of book before Exodus closed but could not hone in on what exactly I wanted to say. My first thought was, “don’t edit me.” I have been edited for so long I did not want my story to be edited any longer.

In My Exdous: From Fear To Grace, you described your role in promoting reparative therapy at Exodus as complicit. Were you?

I definitely take ownership. For me, there was a part of it that I just stepped into. When I got involved with Exodus [reparative therapy] was just the norm. I got involved as a 19-year-old kid it was kind of like growing up in the church – you sit there for so long and it was just what you believed.

[Reparative therapy] was just something that was the overarching belief. This is what causes homosexuality and this is what you do to get over it. The things [about reparative therapy] I learned when I was young, and the ways they were taught, made sense to me. It seemed like it was the majority story for LGBT people. [Reparative therapy] was the end all be all to being gay.

The longer I was there I would question certain things. I changed the narratives as I was examining my own life and the people that I was meeting. We began to make adjustments, like not calling ourselves ex-gay and being critical of different parts of the therapeutic process that we found objectionable. For example, things like “holding therapy.” As we began to chip away at it, I found there was so much more I disagreed with.

I absolutely own it. I perpetuated a lot of shame and unhealthy religion that ensnared me and so many other people.

---

READ: Let the churches say amen to ban on LGBT ‘conversion therapy’

---

 

Should reparative therapy be outlawed?

I support, and I’ve written about this, a ban on reparative therapy for minors. It perpetuates shame and I think it is dangerous. When it comes to the therapeutic niche of reparative therapy where psychotherapists and certified professionals are providing therapy with goals to change sexual orientation – that should absolutely be banned.

For adults, I appreciate what the state of California did that requires adults to sign a duty to warn. [They should have] participants sign a disclaimer noting sexual orientation doesn’t change and that it can be harmful. There need to be greater safe guards for adults. For children, I don’t think they should be subjected to that at all.

That does not mean we should tell pastors they couldn’t help their parishioners. We could run the risk of infringing on their religious freedoms. I do not think pastors should tell their kids that their orientation can change—that’s dangerous. But I think we should be educating pastors on how to respond to their gay youth.

How do you respond to people who say if you truly believed in God’s power your sexual orientation would change?

As a man who has same-sex attractions who has an orientation that is gay — but who is happily married to a woman and contentedly and successful in every aspect of that — there is no point for my sexual orientation to be changed. To want to change…that is unimportant to me. I do not think changing your orientation is something anyone experiences.

If your biblical understanding of sexuality is such that gay is not something that you can reconcile, I don’t think that straight is better. I think there are all sorts of downfalls to heterosexuality as well. When it comes to the conservative view of salvation – it’s not straight or gay that gets us to heaven. It’s Jesus. Sexuality in that part is irrelevant. We’ve made far too big of an issue of it so much so that we’ve damaged people and I think we have to stop doing that.

---

READ: Ex-gay stories flourish when bisexuality is ignored

---

Your ambiguity and outright refusal to label your sexuality seems as if you’re still playing into religious communities’  change narrative. Why won’t you label your sexuality?

I believe sexual orientation is a part of everyone’s life. Whether they have a gay or straight orientation… and there are some people who have no orientation as in they’re not sexually driven at all. My primary orientation is same-gender.

If you’re going to nail me down on what has been the predominant orientation in my life — it’s that. As a married man, whether I had a straight or gay orientation, my orientation is fixed to my chosen partner. As a married man, I give the most energy to that as I think every married couple should.

When Leslie and I are having sex she’s not screaming “I’m so glad you’re straight” or “I’m so glad you’re gay.” It’s irrelevant. I love and am able to have sex with my wife.

As I am telling the story through my book, I am recounting my truth in the moment. I was trying to be straight but really I was gay. Now at this point, I do not choose a label because there is not one that is best for me. Now, if someone were to call me straight I would challenge them. If someone where to call me gay or bisexual, I would not necessarily challenge them. Those labels seem insufficient.

Where do you stand on same-sex relationships? Are you affirming of them?

I do believe that same-sex relationship can be holy. As a Christian, I think marriage is best. That is why I’m supportive of the Supreme Court decision for the legal recognition of same-sex marriage. I think same-sex marriages can reflect, and often do, God’s image. Many people in the church either do not know of Christ-centered same-sex relationships or refuse to see them. Leslie and I have met so many individuals who have awesome stories and are doing amazing work. Their marriages absolutely reflect the image of God.

- See more at: http://elielcruz.religionnews.com/2015/09/29/alan-chambers-same-sex-relationships-can-be-holy/#sthash.6UHDM0of.tZcjTg1D.dpuf

Edited October 15, 2015 by GayatfootofCross

[Naomi]

QUESTION  on or around 9/25 there were several post which were totally unreadable due to being type over previous post.  How does hat happen?

[debbym]

i never saw this before, wow.  can it be fixed?  oh Staaaan....

[pnattmbtc]

FYI, if you use your mouse to select the typed-over text, and copy it to something else, like Notepad, you can read it easily.

[Chief of Sinners]

It is the same question as:

 "Is prostitution compatible with Christianity?"

The SDA church position on homosexuality: 

http://www.andrews.edu/sem/statements/seminary-statement-on-homosexuality-edited-10-8-15-jm-final.pdf

 

 

[GayatfootofCross]

It is the same question as:

 "Is prostitution compatible with Christianity?"

The SDA church position on homosexuality: 

http://www.andrews.edu/sem/statements/seminary-statement-on-homosexuality-edited-10-8-15-jm-final.pdf

 

 

yes Thanku for bringing that up

Chief Of Sinners! and GBU and love your name!

The document released by Andrews..uhh

“An Understanding of the Biblical View on Homosexual Practice and Pastoral Care.”

It is the right direction..(baby steps) but not there yet!

 And They are not giving any specifics of

Transgender

Intersex

Queer

Asexual

 They are totally left out of the Document.

The opening “homosexuality, bisexuality, and the variety of transgender identities.” Problem is sexuality and gender identity and intersex are three separate things... that require individual case by case examination and "pastoral care".

 they act like they are addressing their issues as well.

That would be a NO!

.

The Term "pastoral care" is a very broad term and can be downright biased with fear and loathing toward the individual that can come out in all kinds of upside ways.

No real guilde lines of what "pastoral care" looks like.

Many in ministry have no real experience to handle with care the LGBTIQQAA Community.

"Pastoral Care" is even in the Title  of document!

The document says “we must also be sensitive to the reality of high rates of homelessness and suicide among gay youth.” It also discusses the bullying, hate crimes, and murders of LGBT people and encourages pastors to extend pastoral care. But, how exactly? ..I mean .. Students were not allowed to raise funds to help the LGBTI youth  only a few months ago. Helping to Block JESUS from their view.           
 

A big document without any real substance.Just the same old same old playing into self satisfaction that they are at least addressing this. I know I know it is trying. It needs a Gods Heart (towards my tribe) to drive this thing...  not humans.

When many humans think of the term LGBTIQQAA ..they think of sex.. When God thinks of LGTIQQAA ...HE thinks of people..like when HE thinks of you all here! HE loves and does not Condemn.

and YES they all should be welcomed into Church! Period! as  Stated in the Document!

and I might add for the LGBTIQQAA that already in the pews and positions to COME OUT!

and it says CELIBATE  can hold positions. Well that is a start.

.

 All in All ...This Document is another example how our church has given up the right and Right Spirit to speak into the LGBTIQQAA hearts.

..it may get there!

AMEN!

..................

Lesbian

Gay

Bi

Trans

Intersex or Innersex

Queer

Questioning

Asexual

Ally

................................................................................................................................................

God bless you all here!

 

Edited October 15, 2015 by GayatfootofCross

[whbae]

No matter how many times debate go on, the answer is "No" and should  no.  Waste of time to listen to such a debate.

[GayatfootofCross]

No matter how many times debate go on, the answer is "No" and should  no.  Waste of time to listen to such a debate.

It was a 3 hour long debate to not to listen to. Ho hum.

[8thdaypriest]

Is stealing "compatible with Christianity"?  Is murder "compatible with Christianity"?   Is idol worship "compatible with Christianity"?  Is sexual immorality "compatible with Christianity"?  Stupid questions.  Right?   Well then, is male with male sodomy "compatible with Christianity"?   

[GayatfootofCross]

Is stealing "compatible with Christianity"?  Is murder "compatible with Christianity"?   Is idol worship "compatible with Christianity"?  Is sexual immorality "compatible with Christianity"?  Stupid questions.  Right?   Well then, is male with male sodomy "compatible with Christianity"?   

I was doing ok till you said "male with male sodomy" .

Mercy!

[turns fan on]