Eyptian pyramids for grains

[whbae]

Ben Carson said that Egyptian pyramids are not for the graves but to store grains by Joseph during 7 years of abundant.

[phkrause]

Have not really heard that before. I wonder if he's actually read the Bible or studied this!! From what I've always heard and learned, it was the Hebrew slaves that built the Pyramids, and they were used for the graves of the kings of Egypt. My personal opinion, is he's wrong.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

just to be clear, Dr Carson did not state unequivocally that the pyramids were made for grain storage.  He said that it was his *personal* theory... and he said it 17 years ago in 1998.

And in comparison, a year later, in 1999, the Chicago Tribune accused Obama of being a "gutless sheep" on his crime legislation record. 

Was it worse nearly 20 years ago for a political figure to have a "personal opinion" of an archeological structure's use, or to have a bum record on crime legislation?

My point is that scavengers will dig up dirt on anyone, for no other reason than to make someone appear stupid or incompetent.  And appearances can be deceiving.  

I detest mud-slinging, overt or covert, from any side of the political field.

[Bravus]

Mind you, when asked about it this week, Dr Carson doubled down.

Two relevant facts:

1. The pyramids are 98% solid rock with a few small and awkward chambers. They're *terrible* grain stores.

2. There are actual hieroglyphic inscriptions on the pyramids themselves telling us what they were for... and it's not grain.

[Bravus]

I'm saying that because he's a public figure, not because he's a Republican. A Democrat saying the same thing would receive the same response.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

he wasn't a "public figure" when he made the comment...

[LifeHiscost]

9 hours ago, rudywoofs said:

just to be clear, Dr Carson did not state unequivocally that the pyramids were made for grain storage.  He said that it was his *personal* theory... and he said it 17 years ago in 1998.

And in comparison, a year later, in 1999, the Chicago Tribune accused Obama of being a "gutless sheep" on his crime legislation record. 

Was it worse nearly 20 years ago for a political figure to have a "personal opinion" of an archeological structure's use, or to have a bum record on crime legislation?

My point is that scavengers will dig up dirt on anyone, for no other reason than to make someone appear stupid or incompetent.  And appearances can be deceiving.  

I detest mud-slinging, overt or covert, from any side of the political field.

God is Love!  Jesus saves!

[Bravus]

1 hour ago, rudywoofs said:

he wasn't a "public figure" when he made the comment...

He was this week when he confirmed it.

[Aliensanctuary]

I think I would be extremely reluctant to become a public figure, in part, considering some of my posts in CA. The media loves to make certain people look like "crackpots" by digging deep into their history.

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There are actual hieroglyphic inscriptions on the pyramids themselves telling us what they were for... and it's not grain.

Haven't heard that yet, but will look into it. I have heard of inscriptions alleged to be graffiti in one of the pyramids. Building those pyramids for grain storage does seem a bit inefficient considering the massive amount of rock work verses the limited spaces within.

[Aliensanctuary]

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The foolishness of the common assumption, that the Giza plateau pyramids were built and utilized by fourth Dynasty kings as funerary structures, cannot be overstated. It is a matter of archaeological fact that none of the fourth Dynasty kings put their names on the pyramids supposedly constructed in their times, yet from the fifth Dynasty onwards, the other pyramids had hundreds of official inscriptions, leaving us no doubt about which kings built them. The mathematical complexity, engineering requirements, and sheer size of the Giza plateau pyramids represent an enormous, seemingly impossible leap in abilities over the third dynasty buildings. 

https://sacredsites.com/africa/egypt/the_great_pyramid_of_giza.html

Some have found certain mathematical properties related to the Great pyramid's dimensions, but that's probably not why it was built. 

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There are actual hieroglyphic inscriptions on the pyramids themselves telling us what they were for... and it's not grain.

Would be interested in this information, if this is a reference to the Giza pyramids.

[Aliensanctuary]

The Giza pyramids may be pre-flood origin, but if so, the limestone may have had to come from rock formed during a previous age before the Creation week. Unless, the limestone was in a plastic state at the time of construction and was poured into molds. There may have been several previous attempts at colonization of our planet long before Genesis.

[BobRyan]

19 hours ago, whbae said:

Ben Carson said that Egyptian pyramids are not for the graves but to store grains by Joseph during 7 years of abundant.

In ... 1998???

 

If Carson were "running for nation archaeologist" in 1998 .. then we could have asked about the following

"The earliest known Egyptian pyramids are found at Saqqara, northwest of Memphis. The earliest among these is the Pyramid of Djoser (constructed 2630 BC–2611 BC) which was built during the third dynasty."

So then 2600 B.C. would be about 250 years before Noah's flood. hmmm ... Yes I am quite sure that all American voters and the SNL-trained-media  know that - and they all think the Pyramids were deluged during the flood ... and then "came back" up as desert pyramids. Then about 800 years later - Joseph shows up. ( a mere 550 years after the flood).

Since we all know that "Noah did not get off the boat and start building pyramids in Egypt" well then there had to be a few 100 years before that could even start

 

 

[BobRyan]

"The pyramids were built by Pharaohs Khufu (tallest), Khafre (background), and Menkaure (front). The Giza Pyramids, built to endure an eternity, have done just that. The monumental tombs are relics of Egypt's Old Kingdom era and were constructed some 4,500 years ago."

And of  course 4500 years ago would be a few hundred years before the flood.

 

And here is another "detail" that the SNL-trained media and all American voters are no doubt up to speed on --

 

"During which of these two periods of time did Joseph come to Egypt as a slave? It has become fashionable among scholars to date him to the Hyksos period, since it is generally assumed that the Israelites were fellow Asiatics related to the Hyksos. It is also assumed that, since Joseph eventually rose to a high position in the Egyptian court, the king must have been a fellow countryman of Joseph’s. If we allow for a sojourn of some 400 years in Egypt by the Israelites, and if we accept the so-called Late Date of the Exodus (in the middle 1200’s BC), a date for Joseph around 1650 BC would be perfect.

The Bible, on the other hand, provides us with some very specific chronological data regarding these events. 1 Kings 6:1, a pivotal reference for all Old Testament chronology, dates the Exodus 480 years before the fourth year of Solomon, accepted by virtually all scholars as 966 BC. This places the Exodus in ca. 1446 BC; a date which agrees with the so-called Early Date for the Exodus.

Next, Exodus 12:40 states that Jacob came to dwell in Egypt 430 years before the Exodus. Thus he came to Egypt in ca. 1876 BC. These Biblical references clearly show that Joseph ought to be dated in the Middle Kingdom rather than in the Hyksos Period."

from : http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2010/02/18/Joseph-in-Egypt-Part-I.aspx

 

What then is said today about Pharaohs in the middle kingdom - and their pyramid building?

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/monuments.html

", pyramids were erected by a number of the Pharaohs during the Middle Kingdom. During the New Kingdom, Pharaohs were buried in the Valley of the Kings, but the workmen who built their tombs were interred in miniature pyramids. Numerous small pyramids were built in Nubia between the Eighteenth and Twentieth dynasties, and the Saite Period (the twenty-sixth dynasty) saw the return to Egypt (at least in Thebes and Abydos) of small pyramid-like tombs."

 

Ok but what about the builders of the "great pyramids" -- the ones imagined "before the flood"??

 

Yes - here is the hill on which all democrat voters and SNL-trained media types will gladly die on because they are "so informed" about the "details".

 

 

 

 

[BobRyan]

10 hours ago, Bravus said:

I'm saying that because he's a public figure, not because he's a Republican. A Democrat saying the same thing would receive the same response.

Depends on how the snl-trained media "staged it" for them. As has just been shown - it is highly doubtful that any majority of them are actually 'informed' on these details between kingdoms, and how it all fits together. They merely swallow whatever the media feeds them.

[Bravus]

{tries to think of a rational response to the preceding few posts, fails, shuts mouth and wanders off, shaking head}

[JimTN]

Here is the TRUTH about the pyramids/grain storage topic:

The pyramid complex at Sakarra was the first pyramid built in Egypt, and writings in the area say that this 1st pyramid was built by "Imhotep" -- which was Joseph's Egyptian name!  Even the National Geographic did an article on Imhotep and credited him with "saving Egypt from a 7-year famine"!  Imhotep = Joseph!

Joseph built the 1st pyramid at Sakarra, and the complex around it also contains something like 10 large square deep pits where Joseph stored the grain!  And there is an entry way into a corridor leading to those pits where the accountants would sit at tables in the alcoves between columns to manage the sales of the grain, and those very interesting large round columns in that hallway that are in the shape of giant ears of corn!

All this material was shown at the Ron Wyatt Museum that I managed in 1994-1995, and you can see pics of those grain bins here:

http://www.ronwyatt.com/how_the_pyramids_where_built.html

 

It seems that Dr. Ben Carson must have heard about Ron's material, and somehow he got off on a tangent where he seemed to think that ALL the pyramids were used for grain storage, which is not possible -- ONLY THE SAKARRA COMPLEX WAS USED FOR GRAIN STORAGE, and we have been teaching about this for over 30 years!

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[JimTN]

Here is another webpage that has more info on the Grain Bins at Sakarra, and some NEWLY POSTED PICS!

http://arkdiscovery.com/joseph.htm

[Jeannieb43]

That Ron Wyatt piece is fascinating!   Makes me want to visit there in person.   But at my age, I'll never venture over to Egypt.   Have to wait now till Jesus comes, and then hopefully I'll be able to see some of the scenes of Joseph's leadership skills in Egypt.

 

 

[stinsonmarri]

1 hour ago, JimTN said:

Here is the TRUTH about the pyramids/grain storage topic:

The pyramid complex at Sakarra was the first pyramid built in Egypt, and writings in the area say that this 1st pyramid was built by "Imhotep" -- which was Joseph's Egyptian name!  Even the National Geographic did an article on Imhotep and credited him with "saving Egypt from a 7-year famine"!  Imhotep = Joseph!

Joseph built the 1st pyramid at Sakarra, and the complex around it also contains something like 10 large square deep pits where Joseph stored the grain!  And there is an entry way into a corridor leading to those pits where the accountants would sit at tables in the alcoves between columns to manage the sales of the grain, and those very interesting large round columns in that hallway that are in the shape of giant ears of corn!

All this material was shown at the Ron Wyatt Museum that I managed in 1994-1995, and you can see pics of those grain bins here:

http://www.ronwyatt.com/how_the_pyramids_where_built.html

 

It seems that Dr. Ben Carson must have heard about Ron's material, and somehow he got off on a tangent where he seemed to think that ALL the pyramids were used for grain storage, which is not possible -- ONLY THE SAKARRA COMPLEX WAS USED FOR GRAIN STORAGE, and we have been teaching about this for over 30 years!

I am so upset with Ben and his high and mindedness that I must take a stand. The first illogical thing he stated was about the pyramids and Joseph. This crazy idea that the pyramids was to store grain, this is unbelievable! If he would take the time to learn that the Hyksos were descendants of Shem from what we called today Asia minor. That truly were mixture of Arphaxad and Aram's children. Abraham came from Arphaxad through Eber but he lived with his uncle Aram's children known as the Chaldeans!

And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there. Gen 11:31  

This was  Syria that we know of today folk, that the Bible called Padanaram.

And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian. Gen 25:20

Abraham did not come from Ur of the Sumerian, these people were Hamitic or black and it is time that we start reading the Bible and not lies! Some of these same two group of people during the intermediate period moved into Egypt!  The Hyksos ruled their known capital called Avaris in the Eastern Delta. They also controlled the Nile Valley as far south as Hermopolis, but they never over took the entire land of Egypt. (1674-1567 BC). It during this time that Joseph came up and reign with these foreigners who were related, they were Semitic people! The Egyptians were looked up to by many different people who always copy their way of life. The famine was real but Joseph made these granaries for only the land occupied by the Hyksos! The Bible made it clear that the Egyptians took back all of their land.

 Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph. Ex 1:8

Moving on to Noah who was suppose to be an amateurs  over the professional builders of the Titanic. Once again we just do not get it. Noah was not an amateur, these people had 100% use of their brains. There were also giants and mighty men. 

And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. Gen 4:21, 22  

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of ELOHIM came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Gen 6:4  

The son of ELOHIM were Seth children and not angels, who mixed with the corrupts daughters of Cain and violence that have never can be describe took over the earth and this violence has return today! Noah was chosen but Noah did not build the boat how dumb is Ben Carson when it comes to the Bible?

This boat was massive according to our measurements today, due to their size also the size of the animals. These were the genius that first dealt with DNA and procreated the dinosaurs that we could not do in a million years. ELOHIM wiped these creatures out. Even EGW stated that they made subhuman creatures. We think that mermaids and centaurs are a myth, think again!!! They tread where no men today could ever think to do, because we do have the brain usage that they had!

Ben Carson have disgrace ELOHIM, our faith and message by trampling it to the ground. He has made us look stupid! He has taken the gift that ELOHIM has given him to his head thinking he knows more than ELOHIM. He thinks he is called by ELOHIM but he is not, that is not how ELOHIM works  He thinks that his work is complex but to be the President of the USA is not! How ridiculous can he be, he has truly left ELOHIM as did Ahab of old! We have been warned not go the way of the heathens and Ben did not listen! 

Ron Wyatt was a fake as well. He claim he found the Ark of the Covenant supposedly in a whole over the cross that the Catholic church claim. Here our the fact according to the Bible, only certain Levites could carry the Ark of the Covenant. Ex 25:10-4-; Num 4:1-15; 2 Sam 6:6-9; 1Ch 15:25-28

The Catholic place the chose was inside the city and YAHSHUA was hung outside the city. John 19:20

Golgotha: Of Chaldean origin the skull; Golgotha, a knoll near Jerusalem. Strong Hebrew and Greek Dictionary

Happy Sabbath and be bless!

[JimTN]

Stinsonmarri, yes, Ben Carson is making an error by saying that "all" the pyramids were for storing grain -- that is probably happening because some Adventists just want to be contrary to everything the worldly people are saying about pyramids -- but the Bible tells us that Joseph DID take care of storing corn & grain during the 7-year famine in Egypt, and all Egyptologists seem to agree that the pyramid at Sakarra was the 1st pyramid ever constructed by "Imhotep" -- who was Joseph -- and we have pics of 11 huge pits in the ground at that complex that perfectly fit the purpose of being huge grain/corn storage bins!  So grain & corn WAS stored at this pyramid complex!

You need to be careful calling Ron Wyatt a fake -- I worked with him from 1989 until he passed away in 1999, and I managed his 1st museum -- I shared all of Ron's documentation for all 7 of his discoveries with literally thousands of visitors to the museum -- and still, here in 2015, I continue to work with his material -- Mahoney Media has made a $2 million film about Ron's Mt. Sinai and Red Sea Crossing discoveries, Dr. Lennart Moller is a scientist in Sweden has also written a book called THE EXODUS CASE about those discoveries -- so unless you have something "solid" to prove that Ron Wyatt is a "fake," it would be best not to say such things against the man.

Did you ever meet him?  Talk with him face-to-face?  Have you read his materials and watched his films?  Or did you just read a few critical things about Ron on the Internet?

People trash people all the time on the Internet, and Satan inspired all sorts of demonic attacks on Ron over the years -- and unfortunately people can still read those LIES and think that Ron was a "fake" -- BUT HE WASN'T A FAKE!  He was just a simple man trying to do a difficult job, and I think he accomplished things that are a real blessing.  All of Ron Wyatt's discoveries have TONS of evidence -- I know, because I've shared it all with thousands of people over the past 25 years!

Again, I urge people to look at the websites I listed that have pics of Sakarra's Grain Storage Bins!

[Gregory Matthews]

Let us be clear.  My personal opinion of Ron Wyatt is based upon reading what he actually said himself.   Included in this is some personal knowledge that I have.  [NOTE: I do not have enough knowledge to evaluate everything that he said.]

Based upon my reading his actual statements I consider:

1) Him to clearly be wrong on some points.

2) To not be an informed witness as to many of the subjects that he discusses.

 

Please note:  I have never accused him of being a liar.  A person who is simply wrong is not a liar.

 

[Gregory Matthews]

A classic example of a major error in Ron Wyatt's thinking is his failure to properly recognize and understand "Brownian Movement."

 

For more on Brownian Motion aka Movement, see:     http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Brownian+movement

 

 

 

 

 

[JimTN]

What does "Brownian Movement" have to do with Joseph's GRAINERY STORAGE BINS??

Your Brownian Movement comments must relate to Ron's talks about Noah's Ark and how it moved through the Flood waters?  I'm guessing here, because you didn't mention Noah's Ark -- and Sister White told us that Noah's Ark was protected by GOD's angels, so how would that affect the "Brownian Movement"?

But again, all that is a distraction from the topic at hand, JOSEPH'S GRAINERY BINS AT SAKARRA -- so please just look at the website pics of the huge grain bins, and could you please comment upon those on this thread?

BTW, Ron Wyatt was not a professional archaeologist or a water-fluidity scientist, so you need to be a little more "reasonable" about what Ron said about various side-topics!

Back to the GRAIN BINS, please.....

[Gregory Matthews]

Brownian Motion has nothing to do with either grainery storage or with  Noah's Ark.

Brownian Movement has everything to do with reading a slide under a high resolution microscope.  As it relates to Ron Wyatt, you are surely aware of what Ron once posted as to his discovery of a blood sample which was examined under such a microscope, along with an image on the Internet of what Ron saw in that image. 

Yes, I am well aware that Ron's posting has been removed from the Internet.  But, long after it was removed, his comments on that image remained deep in the Internet postings of his writings.

His failure to recognize Brownian Motion was an error that a freshman college student would be expected not to make.

JimTN:  My perception of Ron Wyatt is based upon what I have read of his writings and my personal knowledge of the subject.

 

[Gregory Matthews]

I assume that JimTN knows exactly what I am talking about.

For others who do not know, I will explain:

Ron Wyatt claimed to have discovered the living blood of the crucified Lord Jesus Christ.  Among the claims that he made related to this were:

1) The blood contained only 23 chromosomes instead of the normal human 46.  This was claimed to be due to the fact that Mary provided the 23 human chromosomes.  NOTE:  Ron Wyatt also added a 24th chromosome which he said came from God.

2) A microscopic examination of the blood sample contained living objects that were swimming in the fluid of the slide.  This was claimed to be due to the idea that the diety of Christ could not be killed.  The motion that was present in the image of the slide that Ron Wyatt posted on the Internet was clearly that of Brownian Motion.   Brownian Motion occurs from the movement of very small non-living particles present in the media on the slide.  Those particles are not alive.  A freshman lab student in college quickly learns to recognize them.

The above is not a minor error.  It is a major error that strikes at the thesis that the slide contained the living blood of Christ.  This error is symptomatic of the problems that are present in much of what Ron Wyatt wrote. 

Yes, there are also other types of problems present in his material.

NOTE:  With the passage of time, the alleged microscopic slide was removed from the Internet posting.  But, much later I was able to discover in his writings that remained on the Internet what Ron Wyatt had said about his discovery of the living blood of Christ.

Here is one of the posting about this alleged discovery.  While the URL below is not from Ron Wyatt himself, on can go to his website today and read about this:

 

http://thejosephplan.org/actual-blood-of-jesus-discovered-in-israel/