Reports are in about a transgendered person is the Elder at Hollywood SDA Church

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

4 minutes ago, Rossw said:

I don't know of 1 single female auto mechanic. Not saying they don't exist. But for the most part they physically could not do the job. 

there's an auto shop in Philly that's due to open this September and will be totally run by women:  http://thephiladelphiacitizen.org/shecanics-patrice-banks-girls-auto-clinic/

[Rossw]

Lol. You found a shop in Philly.

[Gregory Matthews]

Rossw said, see below for the quote:

I have known of female professional auto mechanics.

I have known of  a female who was the head mechanic and supervised all other mechanics who worked for an automobile dealer. 

I have clearly known of women who could physically do the  job of an auto mechanic.  To be frank, none could lift a 3,000 lb. automobile with their bare hands, but they knew how to put it on a lift.  And if removing a transmission they knew how to use the assistive devices in the same manner that men used them.

In the military, vehicle mechanic jobs, to include tracked vehicles, are now open to women.  But, perhaps you would say that such are not professional jobs.

I don't know of 1 single professional female auto mechanic. Not saying they don't exist. But for the most part they physically can not do the job. 

[Tom Wetmore]

According to the US DOL 2010 statistics for women in nontraditional occupations (< 25% female employed) -

Automotive service technicians and mechanics: Employed Both Sexes = 799,000; Employed Female = 14,000; Percent Female = 1.8 

Automotive body and related repairers: Employed Both Sexes = 163,000; Employed Female = 2,000; Percent Female = 1.5

Heavy vehicle and mobile equipment service technicians and mechanics: Employed Both Sexes = 223,000; Employed Female = 4,000; Percent Female = 1.6

Bus and truck mechanics and diesel engine specialists: Employed Both Sexes = 330,000; Employed Female = 3,000; Percent Female = 0.8

Miscellaneous vehicle and mobile equipment mechanics, installers, and repairers: Employed Both Sexes = 91,000; Employed Female = 2,000; Percent Female = 2.4 

Industrial and refractory machinery mechanics: Employed Both Sexes = 418,000; Employed Female = 15,000; Percent Female = 3.5

Aircraft mechanics and service technicians: Employed Both Sexes = 142,000; Employed Female = 5,000; Percent Female = 3.8

Small engine mechanics: Employed Both Sexes = 58,000; Employed Female = <1,000; Percent Female = 0.5

First-line supervisors/managers of mechanics, installers, and repairers: Employed Both Sexes = 342,000; Employed Female = 30,000; Percent Female = 8.7 

https://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/nontra2009_txt.htm 

On the the apparently mistaken assumption of physical ability as a barrier to women, there are higher percentages of female mechanics in some large vehicle/equipment/machinery, and aircraft jobs than in automotive or even small engine mechanics.  (On that last one, there is a small engine repair business a few miles from my house owned and operated by a woman. She has been in business at least as long as I have lived here, about 25 years.)

[Gregory Matthews]

Tom, you may have made an error in your thinking.  Rossw did not tell us how he defines "professional auto mechanic."  He just might dismiss each of your statements as not applying to professionals, at least as he defines them.

Come to think of it.  I get it.  You were posting beyond Rossw to people reading here who would have a more reasonable definition of the word "professional."

 

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

3 hours ago, Rossw said:

Lol. You found a shop in Philly.

You said you didn't know of even one woman mechanic.  Now you know of more than one.  There are others.  It's often helpful to look beyond one's own subjective experience to gain knowledge — if one is truly interested in that knowledge.

[Rossw]

23 hours ago, Tom Wetmore said:

Are you and all you do 100% masculine?

You're basing an argument on a statistic of less than 2%? You guys are too funny.

Greg, are you struggling with what the definitions of the words "professional", "auto", and "mechanic" are?

Let's remember what Tom asked that brought us here which is quoted on top. I think Tom proved my point in that my profession is less than 2 percent occupied by women and that I participate in masculine employment. I think so. Apparently according to statistics auto mechanics is much more male driven then those who've passed the bar and practice law. Anyway, enough genital measuring, can we get back to the topic?

[Rossw]

5 minutes ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said:

You said you didn't know of even one woman mechanic.  Now you know of more than one.  There are others.  It's often helpful to look beyond one's own subjective experience to gain knowledge — if one is truly interested in that knowledge.

I still don't know those people. The shop according to you hasn't even opened yet. Now I know of them, great. 

That still doesn't change the statistic of less than 2%.

We are off topic.

[Kevin H]

4 hours ago, Rossw said:

I don't know of 1 single professional female auto mechanic. Not saying they don't exist. But for the most part they physically can not do the job. 

I've known some and my sister does all her auto work and carpentry work. She's professionally a lawyer.

[Rossw]

20 minutes ago, Kevin H said:

I've known some and my sister does all her auto work and carpentry work. She's professionally a lawyer.

I've known women to do some work on their car but that is different from the rigors of doing the job 5 days a week professionally. I can discuss law with my brother who is a lawyer but that doesn't make me a lawyer.

[Kevin H]

I don't claim to be a lawyer. I was just mentioning that my sister does all her (and for her neighbors and teaching my son) auto work and that I have in the past known garages that have had full time women auto mechanics. As well as female aircraft mechanics in the Air Force.

[Rossw]

To be honest and unpopular my wife and I agree we wished I made more money so she could stay at home with my son and eventually home school him. That'd be the ideal.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I fry mine in butter...

[Kevin H]

1 hour ago, Rossw said:

To be honest and unpopular my wife and I agree we wished I made more money so she could stay at home with my son and eventually home school him. That'd be the ideal.

Even though I am still hoping to meet who I will marry and have children with, I understand your feelings very well in your expressed thought. I'd love that too. Sadly we are getting to a place where everyone has to work just to make ends meet, as we are moving from the 6th to 7th head.

[Rossw]

This is off topic Kevin, but I think it is incredibly difficult to find a good Christian mate whom shares the same values in this day. I never dated until I found my wife. It was only through miracles we came together. She had just finished a 6 year relationship when we met. Good and bad timing.

It was only by God's design we got together. God knows your needs and when the time is right.

And like you said of moving from 6th to 7th heads, that creates difficulties in itself. 

Now way off topic but do you think many will die in preparation leading up to the time of trouble? From my limited observation it seems like families are smaller as if to stream line the family in prep for the end. --not baiting you, really interested in your thoughts.

[Outta Here]

Man Woman up and earn more money then.

[Rossw]

22 minutes ago, Aubrey said:

Man Woman up and earn more money then.

Hmm, what do you mean by that comment. It seems very rude. I can't become a woman to make more money. We know that won't work especially with that glass ceiling. A person in my profession used to make nearly 100k(you could say it's specialized) but that whole thing with the economy back in 07-08 cut incomes by about half. Now that I've been in the profession for sometime I don't have the qualifications or the finances to go further in debt and get a better job in another field. 

Because of the way our society works my wife is required to get a job(you know that whole women's lib thing?) To do that she had to take out tremendous student loans with no support from her terrible single parent mom. Her dad won't pay a dime and has essentially said she doesn't belong to him. 

Aubrey, unless you want to right a check mind your own business.

[Outta Here]

Write a check you mean? No thanks, my husband works too hard for me to hand our money over willy-nilly every time someone asks for it.

Anyway, it was a joke. I said "woman up" because that's exactly what my mother had to do raising 3 kids on her own. She worked 3 jobs while she went to school and earned a degree in computer science and pulled us up out of poverty.  Further, I said "woman up" because my husband does earn enough money for me to stay home and homeschool our kids. (I did so for 9 years.) We survived a year of unemployment in 2011. He finished his degree just a few years ago in a profession I'm sure you would find to be not as masculine as yours. Though we had to go without quite a lot of the luxuries of other people, we were able to pull up our boot straps and do whatever it took to ensure that our children had the care they deserved. In fact, it even meant that I sometimes had to do some of the heavy labor around the house: mowing lawns, fixing plumbing, laying drywall and concrete. 

Do whatever it takes to have the life you feel compelled to live. Sacrifice as necessary. Repeat until you've the desired results.

Sorry to have ruffled your feathers, Rossw. I'm sure you can figure out how to lead your own household.

[Rossw]

Audrey, it's not that I think other jobs are necessarily less manly. There was a question directed at myself questioning if I really thought I was that manly. I'm manly enough to know I'm not effeminate. People do what they need to do to survive and if that means doing a profession that is 'less than manly' to put food on the table that'd be a very manly thing to do. However, in all my manliness I've never once in my life thought about putting a dress on. It is not normal for a man to wear what is socially acceptable for women. Nor is it normal for men to feel the need to use a women's restroom. Those who do, have psychological issues that need be addressed instead of just catering to what society progressively decides as normal. Maybe next we'll have a separate bathroom for Catholic priests instead of acknowledging there is a problem with them and the cover-up in the hierarchy.

[Tom Wetmore]

[LifeHiscost]

22 hours ago, Rossw said:

 

Aubrey, unless you want to right a check mind your own business.

I understood this was a public forum and when one posted it became the business of whoever chose to contribute, without fear of igniting a battle.

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

[Rossw]

1 hour ago, LifeHiscost said:

I understood this was a public forum and when one posted it became the business of whoever chose to contribute, without fear of igniting a battle.

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

I thought this topic was on the "elder"in Hollywood and not whether I could "women up"? 

It takes an ignition source to start a battle and I thought that's what Aubrey intended. If she had intended on the battle then I also have the right to respond in the same way which may not be the best way.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I miss interpreted what Aubrey intended which is my fault. 

[Outta Here]

It's all good from my viewpoint. Hope we can move on?!

[Tom Wetmore]

Yes, move on. 

But with a gentle caveat.  You should not presume that you have the right to respond in kind to what might be an inappropriate comment. You do so at the risk of escalating a bad thing to the point that two or more people get sideways with the expected decorum.  

Administrative tip of the day - assume the best of fellow participants. Mistaken assumptions about motive, attitude, or intent about another reflects back on you.  Err on the side of kindness and grace.

[Live4Him]

Maybe the church should read 1 Corinthians 5 instead of the church manual.