Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted August 29, 2016 Members Posted August 29, 2016 LifeHiscost 1 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
GayatfootofCross Posted August 30, 2016 Posted August 30, 2016 Copied from another thread.. Lie #1: God doesn’t give you more than you can handle. This statement echoes across the Christian landscape. Intended to comfort the afflicted, it actually lays an ugly guilt trip on the person suffering. To say that mental illness is something that “God gave you” implies that God wants you to suffer. “Mental illness is part of God’s will, and you are supposed to be strong enough to handle it.” FALSE! Lie #2: Daily prayer and bible reading alone cures mental illness. According to a recent LifeWay poll, nearly half of Evangelical Christians between the ages of 18-30 believe that prayer and bible study alone can cure mental illness. This belief is in direct opposition to medical research that confirms that many types of mental illness are best treated by a combination of cognitive, behavioral and pharmaceutical treatment plans supervised by mental health professionals. To say that mental illness can be cured by spiritual practices alone discourages Christians from getting the mental healthcare they need to treat and recover from mental illness.“God cannot use scientific advances to heal the human body.” FALSE! Lie #3: Depression is a sin, a curse, or demon possession. It’s true that we do not yet fully understand all of the environmental and biological causes of mental illness. Yet to state that mental illness is only caused by things in the “spiritual realm” denies what we know to be true: mental illness is a brain disease. While there are certainly spiritual aspects to both the cause and the treatment of mental illness, mental illness is not simply a spiritual disease, curse or demon possession. To talk of a person’s mental illness as a result of a sin, curse, or demon possession is to further stigmatize, shame, and isolate the person. “Mental illness is the result of a sin, curse or demon possession.” FALSE! Lie #4: If you loved Jesus more you would be happier. This is a Christian twist on the “just try harder” lecture. If only you just loved Jesus more. If only you just believed more. If only you just let Jesus all the way into your heart, then you would be happier. This belief denies the reality of clinical depression that is not a matter of simply trying harder. Jesus loves all people, including people who have mental illness. Loving Jesus more is something we strive for as Christians, but not because it will make us happier. “Mental illness is a result of not loving Jesus enough.” FALSE! Lie #5: You can’t be a Christian if you have a mental illness. This is an old one, something that saints in the church have struggled with for centuries. We think that perhaps we are not deserving of God’s love because we have a mental illness. We do not know how God could accept us or love us because we are not perfect. So we think that a person with mental illness cannot be a Christian, cannot be a leader in the church, cannot be an ordained minister. Ministers, especially, are not supposed to have mental illness. But the truth is that Christians are humans, just as sick, broken, and in need of healing and wholeness as everyone else. As a person with mental illness, being a Christian can be a way to find compassion, support and love from a community of faith.“True Christians are immune from mental illness.” FALSE! Gregory Matthews and rudywoofs (Pam) 2 Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted August 30, 2016 Moderators Posted August 30, 2016 Gay said below: A more accurate way of stating it would be to say: "Mental illness may be effectively treated by cognitive, behavioral or pharmaceutical treatment plans, depending upon the specific illness." In actual fact, some mental illnesses consist of a family. One form may be best treated in one manner, while another form may be best treated in another manner. As an example, There are several forms of a depressive illness, all of which may be called "depression" by a layperson. One form may be best treated by cognitive therapy alone and not require medication. Another form may be best treated by medication. Regardless, a decision may be made to use more than one form of treatment. As another example, there is a family of eleven (11) sleep disorders that are all classified as a mental illness. However, these classifications are often broken down into sub-classifications that increase the number. DSM 780.59 is "Breathing-Related Sleep Disorder. " Included in its sub-classification are Obstructive Sleep Apnea (OSA) and Central Sleep Apnea (CSA). The most effective treatment for OSA may be surgery, but not always. The DSM lists some fifteen (15) different forms of mental illness related to the use of alcohol. But, all of these are sub-catagories of a larger classification of eleven (11) forms of mental illness. For some, medication may be required. In other cases, the most effective treatment may be for the individual to quit taking an over-the-counter antihistamine or to identify the source of carbon monoxide/carbon dioxide that the individual is exposed to. Yes, it is true that a specific mental illness in a person may require more than one form of treatment. Therefore, I cannot say that the statement that Gay made is wrong. I simply prefer saying in in another way. Quote . . . . many types of mental illness are best treated by a combination of cognitive, behavioral and pharmaceutical treatment plans . . . GayatfootofCross and rudywoofs (Pam) 2 Quote Gregory
Administrators Gail Posted September 2, 2016 Administrators Posted September 2, 2016 If we never had more than we could handle there would never be a reason to pray. If I remember correctly, the Bible promises a way of escape (1 Cor 10:13). What form that takes is up to Him. We could prepare for surprises GayatfootofCross, Liz, rudywoofs (Pam) and 1 other 4 Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Outta Here Posted September 2, 2016 Posted September 2, 2016 19 minutes ago, Gail said: If we never had more than we could handle there would never be a reason to pray. If I remember correctly, the Bible promises a way of escape (1 Cor 10:13). What form that takes is up to Him. We could prepare for surprises I was always taught that it was He'd give us no more than we could handle. It wasn't until 5 or 10 years ago that I'd realized I'd been taught incorrectly. There's always a way He will give us to get through any difficulty (and that's pretty cool). But I'm gonna beg to differ, Gail. There's a whole lot of other stuff we can pray for--even if there's nothing that we can't handle at the moment. Gail and GayatfootofCross 2 Quote
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