The case for endorsing Hillary to be the next president...

[CoAspen]

I wonder if now that MT has come out and said those women accusing her husband are 'liers', will she get the same word treatment on these forums as HC did.

[bonnie]

2 hours ago, CoAspen said:

I wonder if now that MT has come out and said those women accusing her husband are 'liers', will she get the same word treatment on these forums as HC did.

Must present a dilemma for you. You should believe her,there was no fly on the wall,no proof as has been claimed for Hillary concerning her husband's behavior. Or she is doing the christian thing and keeping her marriage together.

There are differences between the two women.  Bill Clinton's accusers did not wait until a couple of weeks before the election to remember and accuse and then kind of disappear.

Bill Clinton's accusers were outed by others before they came forward.Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones could not be denied when Hillary lied so convincingly. Gennifer Flowers was also publically known and denied.

If it develops that the accusers are a lot more credible in the future and that Melanie Trump knew about these incidences and lied publically to protect the known abusive behavior of her husband I would say same about her. Just insert her name.

Odd tho,I don't see you defending her,saying that there is no proof,no fly on the wall,and she is only doing the christian act of trying to save her marriage

[bonnie]

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RICHARD JOHNSON

 

Obama’s half-brother will be at Vegas debate cheering for Trump

By Richard Johnson

October 18, 2016 | 5:32pm

 

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President Obama’s Kenyan-born, half-brother Malik will be in the audience in Las Vegas Wednesday night when Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton square off in their third and final debate.

Malik — an American citizen who lives in Washington, DC, when he’s not in Kenya — says he will be a guest of Trump, the Republican nominee he supports for president.

“I’m excited to be at the debate. Trump can make America great again,” Malik told The Post.

“I look very much forward to meeting and being with Malik,” Trump said. “He gets it far better than his brother.”

Malik agrees with Trump that the mainstream media is biased, and he dismisses the women who claim Trump kissed or groped them without their permission.

“I don’t believe them,” Malik said. “Why didn’t they come forward before?”

Malik also blasted Clinton’s performance as secretary of the State Department for exacerbating the chaos and violence in the Mideast. Malik said ousted Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy had been a good friend. “Check out the situation in Libya now,” he said.

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The Barack H. Obama Foundation — Malik named it after his and the president’s father — would be better able to help the family’s village of Kogelo, Kenya, “if I had gotten the support I should have gotten from my brother,” Malik said.

Malik, who is three years older than Barack, said he last saw his sibling in August 2015 after the president had visited Kenya.

“I went to the White House to say hello. I paid a courtesy call,” he said. But it wasn’t a very warm and loving reception.

“As usual, it was a hands-off kind of thing, very businesslike, very formal,” Malik said.

Though Trump held a press conference with three Bill Clinton accusers before the second debate in St. Louis, Malik said he is not participating in any such conference in Las Vegas.

[CoAspen]

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There are differences between the two women.  Bill Clinton's accusers did not wait until a couple of weeks before the election to remember and accuse and then kind of disappear.

Yes , there are differences, but it does not discredit anyone. You might want to look/search for what women go through when abuse takes place in their lives. It's a mans world and abuse of women has quite often not been taken seriously. So the time factor has little to do with 'reporting', except for those maybe wishing to hide it. So MT should get the same 'treatment' as HC has, what ever it may be, by all the doubters. Actually, I wish it was not being sensationalized for politicol purposes as it is a very serious matter.

[bonnie]

1 hour ago, CoAspen said:

Yes , there are differences, but it does not discredit anyone. You might want to look/search for what women go through when abuse takes place in their lives. It's a mans world and abuse of women has quite often not been taken seriously. So the time factor has little to do with 'reporting', except for those maybe wishing to hide it. So MT should get the same 'treatment' as HC has, what ever it may be, by all the doubters. Actually, I wish it was not being sensationalized for politicol purposes as it is a very serious matter.

I am well aware of what women go thru when abuse takes place in their lives. I do not need you to educate me in that  matter.

There is certainly a possibility the accusations are true.  Did Melanie Trump know about the incidences and is she protecting a sexually abusive man? So far there isn't anything to indicate she did or that she is lying in her husband's defense.  For those that support the Clintons back in the Whitehouse,So What? There were more than verbal accusations against Bill Clinton. Hillary knew about her husband's womanizing and protected a sexually abusive man.  Neither of us know anything about the personal lives of Trump and his wife. I just find it a little hard to believe that  Trump held these kinds of conversations with his wife. "Let me tell you about the time Billy Bush and I had this conversation or you know there was a woman on the plane and ".... 

You forgot this

if Melanie Trump knew about these incidences and lied publically to protect the known abusive behavior of her husband I would say same about her. Just insert her name.

The same rules apply,do they for you?  If she knew and lied so publically she is cut from the same bolt of cloth as Hillary Clinton.

You don't have a problem with Hillary Clinton's lies and cover up,why would you with Melanie Trump?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[joeb]

On 10/18/2016 at 4:41 AM, Tom Wetmore said:

@joeb  Simply put... Depends on which end of the media you get your information and "facts" from.  Your spin on all this does not match the facts of the actual process.

Share with us the sources of what you just posted.

You have a real knack for making yourself appear laughable, Tom....

I know you're really isolated there in the hinterlands of Silver Springs, Maryland, but the rest of the country has had access to the resource I used for the basis of what I said for quite a long time.  It's that hotbed of virulent, completely and totally one-sided, highly conservative network that runs a lot of programming on our federal legislature called CSPAN.  You know, that hotbed of completely biased information that they put out that covers entire events in Congress--like when James Comey testified under oath before the House subcommittee investigating Clinton.  They broadcast his entire testimony from beginning to end.  

I know that's pretty much unacceptable to you because it's unbiased and a very accurate reporting of what went on and so very difficult to spin one way or the other.  No political commentary, just the facts, as brought out by the testimony of Comey. 

It's pretty interesting too, that Comey in fact indicted Clinton on violating national security laws too.  Oh, he didn't "legally" indict her, but what he said about her was damning to anyone with a brain.  The specific statute Clinton broke uses the phrase "gross negligence" to describe the illegal behavior.  Comey used, and I quote, the words, "extreme carelessness".  Now, negligence and carelessness are one and the same thing.  They are synonyms in the dictionary.  Gross and extreme are also very much alike.  Extreme, in the way Comey said it, means as far as can possibly go in carelessness and gross is similar in meaning.  It is a pejorative intensifier meaning without qualification, meaning there is no real way to describe a limit to what it means.  Both can be described by the phrase "to the nth degree".  To be grossly negligent and extremely careless are one and the same thing.  No difference between them.  He admitted under oath that Clinton broke the law, but yet he still refused to indict her.  The political fix was in--straight from his boss.   

I know that she wasn't indicted means you can crow about it, but that doesn't change the fact that she is a lying, scheming, perjuring, evidence destroying felon who just hasn't had to pay the price for her crimes as yet.  If you would get down from that position of socialist activist that you place before all other things you could recognize that.  It's funny how often you use projection to deflect attention away from your own behavior by accusing others of doing what you yourself do on a regular basis.

[joeb]

On 10/20/2016 at 10:40 AM, bonnie said:

I am well aware of what women go thru when abuse takes place in their lives. I do not need you to educate me in that  matter.

There is certainly a possibility the accusations are true.  Did Melanie Trump know about the incidences and is she protecting a sexually abusive man? So far there isn't anything to indicate she did or that she is lying in her husband's defense.  For those that support the Clintons back in the Whitehouse,So What? There were more than verbal accusations against Bill Clinton. Hillary knew about her husband's womanizing and protected a sexually abusive man.  Neither of us know anything about the personal lives of Trump and his wife. I just find it a little hard to believe that  Trump held these kinds of conversations with his wife. "Let me tell you about the time Billy Bush and I had this conversation or you know there was a woman on the plane and ".... 

You forgot this

if Melanie Trump knew about these incidences and lied publically to protect the known abusive behavior of her husband I would say same about her. Just insert her name.

The same rules apply,do they for you?  If she knew and lied so publically she is cut from the same bolt of cloth as Hillary Clinton.

You don't have a problem with Hillary Clinton's lies and cover up,why would you with Melanie Trump?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bonnie,

You know that there is no fairness involved in the accusation.  It's just another way of trying to make Hillary look "not so bad" by trying to make others look as bad as she is.  It's all about who can sling the most unsubstantiated mud.  Truth doesn't matter, only appearances.

[bonnie]

I don't believe anyone that claims to be appalled by this tape when I know they are among those that were in favor of keeping Bill Clinton in the White House for worse. Same mentality that kept Ted Kennedy after the drowning of a young woman and the waitress sandwich he and Dodd bragged about. Kennedy obviously is irrelevant now but Bill Clinton is not. Just as he said when he was elected that we were getting two for one,Hillary has said same. But the mentality of the tolerant, accepting anything liberals as long as it fit their agenda was the same then as it is now.

Trump doesn't fit into their agenda so now is the time to be appalled. The Obama's and their ridiculous outrage over this tape after what and who they have invited to the White House and claimed as role model for young girls would have been comical if not so insulting to those that can think