Stan Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 I was invited to a private screening of the movie "The Shack" last night.. The shack reminded me a bit about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Hell, except there is no hot spot in the shack, the point of the whole story is trying to see pain awn suffering from God's view point.. It actually does that well, I was shocked and please to see Sam Worthington as the featured actor. His work was stellar. Those who would refuse to read the Story of the Rich and and Lazareth because of it's 'theological errors' about what happens when you die, will not like this story at all. Gail, JoeMo and Joel Melashenko 3 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted March 2, 2017 Moderators Posted March 2, 2017 I read the book several years ago. I found it to be spiritually benefiting and of value. As Stan indicated, the book does present some aspects of spiritual life and doctrine that are NOT consistent with SDA doctrine. So, if you want to criticize, you will find grounds to do so. But, I believe that on some levels, with some people, it can be helpful. phkrause and Joel Melashenko 2 Quote Gregory
Moderators Joel Melashenko Posted March 2, 2017 Moderators Posted March 2, 2017 I read the book a few years ago as well and came away with a powerful and beautiful picture of God's deep love for us and perhaps how He might see and be impacted by our suffering. I'm looking forward to the movie. Quote
JoeMo Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 Loved the book; can't wait to see the movie. I agree that it was not consistent with codified SDA doctrine; but it was very inspiring nonetheless. Joel Melashenko 1 Quote
Gary K Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Stan said: I was invited to a private screening of the movie "The Shack" last night.. The shack reminded me a bit about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Hell, except there is no hot spot in the shack, the point of the whole story is trying to see pain awn suffering from God's view point.. It actually does that well, I was shocked and please to see Sam Worthington as the featured actor. His work was stellar. Those who would refuse to read the Story of the Rich and and Lazareth because of it's 'theological errors' about what happens when you die, will not like this story at all. You are going to have to give me examples of this occuring for I have never, in more than 40 years of Bible study with people from/of quite a few different denominations, run across anyone who refused to read one of Christ's parables. Many have drawn different conclusions from it, but not a single person has ever refused to read it. Quote
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted March 2, 2017 Moderators Posted March 2, 2017 Gary K: You missed Stan's point. There is no reason for him to give you specific examples, as you asked, as that was off in another direction from which stan was going. Quote Gregory
Gary K Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Gregory Matthews said: Gary K: You missed Stan's point. No. I took him at his word. Quote
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted March 2, 2017 Moderators Posted March 2, 2017 Yes you did. Quote Gregory
bonnie Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 49 minutes ago, Gary K said: No. I took him at his word. I have not read the book,hadn't heard of it before and won't be seeing the movie. Did a very quick search. If the objections are accurate how can that in any way be compared to the parable of the Rich Man and Lazareth by Jesus? CPOPINION 'The Shack' Book Was Totally Whack. Will the Movie Be Like That? BY DAVID RUZICKA , CP OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR Mar 2, 2017 | 7:33 AM image: http://d.christianpost.com/full/101774/590-244/the-shack.png (PHOTO: SCREENCAPTURE/LIONSGATE/SUMMIT ENTERTAINMENT)A still shot from "The Shack," a movie based on William Paul Young's New York Times best-selling novel. I hate to be a frumpy, grumpy old man, but if the new movie, The Shack, is true to the book of the same name, it is really whacked. If you're not familiar with it – the runaway bestseller was released in 2007 and was simultaneously praised AND criticized across the theological spectrum.Interesting that the star of The Shack is the same guy from Avatar. I like him! And both movies have a religious aspect, neither of which is Christian. Obviously, Avatar has an otherworldly, science fiction religion that the author "made up" for the story.Unfortunately, that's not the case. In the book The Shack, the author also, "made up" the religion for the story. How can you say that David?!? It's a Christian book! It's been endorsed by some famous Christians! The author says it's Christian! The MARKETING CAMPAIGN SAYS IT'S CHRISTIAN. NOBODY WOULD LIE IN A MARKETING CAMPAIGN. Really? I get so weary of folks accepting that everything called Christian just must be. Jesus Himself said people would come in His name – not to save you but to deceive you! Jesus the Son of God said don't just accept something because someone stamps His name on it! You can read it yourself here: Matthew 24:5. Here's the bottom line on The Shack: If anyone truly believes God's Word to be, well ... God speaking, then "anyone" should realize that the author of The Shack doesn't believe what God Himself has already said and he (the author) has made up his own version of a god. I lost count after about six heresies (beliefs contrary to Christian doctrine) in the book, so I'll bullet point four major ones. Here's a little bit of what I mean: 1. In the book, God the Father presents Himself as Goddess the Mother. Apparently, the god of the Shack was suffering from the same gender confusion our culture is experiencing! Think I'm overstating? God the father/mother speaking, "For me to appear to you as a woman and suggest that you call me Papa is simply to mix metaphors, to help you keep from falling so easily back into your religious conditioning." Woman? Papa? Which is it??? The author made God transgendered way back in 2007! Way before Target let men in the women's bathroom! This in spite of the fact that God has chosen to verbally and specifically call Himself, "God the Father" from the time of Adam and Eve all the way through His Word to Revelation. For at least 5,000 years God has deliberately chosen to represent Himself as God the Father. That alone should be enough to trash the book. According to the Shack – Jesus blew it when He prayed "Our Father in heaven." Jesus should've prayed, "Our Mother in the Shack." When we start making God in whatever form WE choose, we might as well make Him into anything – a piece of wood, Chewbacca, Kanye "Yeezus" West, whatever. It doesn't matter – because we're making it up as we go along and that's ALL idol worship. And personally? I don't ever want to stand before God and explain why I decided His description of Himself was SOOOO inadequate that I, in my finite ignorance, chose to change it. That's the definition of arrogance and foolishness. Note: Later in the book the god the mother turns into a ponytailed old man hippy. I'm really not sure which is more annoying ... 2. The Jesus of the Shack is a counterfeit Jesus (kind of a karmic/universalist Jesus). Referring to Buddhists, Mormons, and Muslims, Jesus of the Shack declares "I have no desire to make them Christian," (wait, wut?) and paints Christians as religious fanatics and part of a sinful world system. That may be a lot of things, but that's not the Jesus of history OR the Bible. Jesus also tells Mack that he is "the best way any human can relate to Papa (god the father/mother) or Sarayu (The Shack holy spirit)." Best way? Best way of what? Many ways? Lots of ways? "Best" implies there are options for relating to God. No way. Jesus said He is the only way: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 One way. Not "best" way. Only way. 3. The goddess of The Shack doesn't punish sin. "She," says, "I don't need to punish people for sin. Sin is its own punishment, devouring you from the inside. It's not my purpose to punish it; it's my joy to cure it." The author is making it up as he goes along .... The real God does take joy in saving people. That's what John 3:16 is all about. But: God NEEDS to punish sin because He is a just and good God. Crooked evil judges let the guilty go free. Crooked judges must themselves be brought to justice. God is NOT a crooked judge. He's a good judge. He's love and justice. So He must punish sin. She (the goddess of the Shack) says, "In Jesus, I have forgiven all humans for their sins against me, but only some choose relationship." If all humans are forgiven, then all go to heaven, even Hitler. Lest you think I'm making too much of this, the author of The Shack has refused to affirm that only the sins of those who repent are forgiven (read more by clicking here-last paragraph). God has not forgiven all sins. In Acts 3:19 Peter says, "Repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away." God's punishment: "And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life." Matthew 25:46 (NLT) God really punishes sin. Every. Single. Bit. But Jesus willingly took my place, so that if I repent of my sin, and follow Him, His sacrifice will wipe all my sins away. 4. It's irreverent. I'm not quite sure how to communicate this in a way that sounds "right" when I write it, but the Jesus of the Shack is just a little bit of a ridiculous goof. He's dropping stuff on the floor and chasing fish that He can't catch and talks like a child at times (according to the author). 66 books in the Bible, lots and lots of words – so wordy! But God never presents Jesus like that. Ever. So those are my top four reasons The Shack is wrong, whacked, wretched and the worst. Now you might say: a. "But David, it's fiction!" So if it's fiction, anything goes? Like I could write a book about how Jesus didn't die, didn't rise from the grave but married and had little Jesuses, and the church covered it up for 2,000 years? That would be ok? Then how come Christians got all worked up about the DaVinci Code? It was just fiction. b. "But David come on! It has caused some people to hunger for God!" Ok! All aboard the money train! I'm publishing a picture book that presents Jesus as Ariana Grande! I'm sure lots of the 12 to 30 male crowd will have an increased hunger for my Jesus, and I'll get rich! Is that what we've come to? As long as the "Jesus" you present makes people hungry, it's good? I'm hungry for the bacon god! Here's the issue that's critical for our souls: Run from anyone that tries to sell you a different God than THE One revealed in His Word. Worship God the Father, creator of heaven and earth. God the Son, who died for our sins and rose to give us eternal life, and God the Holy Spirit, our counselor, and comforter. At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10-11 (NLT) Amen and amen. Originally posted at I Like My Coffee Black. David Ruzicka is senior pastor at Fort Bend Fellowship. Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/the-shack-book-was-totally-whack-will-the-movie-be-like-that-175857/print.html#cwu6Isa35uVusWp4.99 Gary K 1 Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
'The Shack' Book Was Totally Whack. Will the Movie Be Like That? BY DAVID RUZICKA , CP OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR Mar 2, 2017 | 7:33 AM image: http://d.christianpost.com/full/101774/590-244/the-shack.png (PHOTO: SCREENCAPTURE/LIONSGATE/SUMMIT ENTERTAINMENT)A still shot from "The Shack," a movie based on William Paul Young's New York Times best-selling novel. I hate to be a frumpy, grumpy old man, but if the new movie, The Shack, is true to the book of the same name, it is really whacked. If you're not familiar with it – the runaway bestseller was released in 2007 and was simultaneously praised AND criticized across the theological spectrum.Interesting that the star of The Shack is the same guy from Avatar. I like him! And both movies have a religious aspect, neither of which is Christian. Obviously, Avatar has an otherworldly, science fiction religion that the author "made up" for the story.Unfortunately, that's not the case. In the book The Shack, the author also, "made up" the religion for the story. How can you say that David?!? It's a Christian book! It's been endorsed by some famous Christians! The author says it's Christian! The MARKETING CAMPAIGN SAYS IT'S CHRISTIAN. NOBODY WOULD LIE IN A MARKETING CAMPAIGN. Really? I get so weary of folks accepting that everything called Christian just must be. Jesus Himself said people would come in His name – not to save you but to deceive you! Jesus the Son of God said don't just accept something because someone stamps His name on it! You can read it yourself here: Matthew 24:5. Here's the bottom line on The Shack: If anyone truly believes God's Word to be, well ... God speaking, then "anyone" should realize that the author of The Shack doesn't believe what God Himself has already said and he (the author) has made up his own version of a god. I lost count after about six heresies (beliefs contrary to Christian doctrine) in the book, so I'll bullet point four major ones. Here's a little bit of what I mean: 1. In the book, God the Father presents Himself as Goddess the Mother. Apparently, the god of the Shack was suffering from the same gender confusion our culture is experiencing! Think I'm overstating? God the father/mother speaking, "For me to appear to you as a woman and suggest that you call me Papa is simply to mix metaphors, to help you keep from falling so easily back into your religious conditioning." Woman? Papa? Which is it??? The author made God transgendered way back in 2007! Way before Target let men in the women's bathroom! This in spite of the fact that God has chosen to verbally and specifically call Himself, "God the Father" from the time of Adam and Eve all the way through His Word to Revelation. For at least 5,000 years God has deliberately chosen to represent Himself as God the Father. That alone should be enough to trash the book. According to the Shack – Jesus blew it when He prayed "Our Father in heaven." Jesus should've prayed, "Our Mother in the Shack." When we start making God in whatever form WE choose, we might as well make Him into anything – a piece of wood, Chewbacca, Kanye "Yeezus" West, whatever. It doesn't matter – because we're making it up as we go along and that's ALL idol worship. And personally? I don't ever want to stand before God and explain why I decided His description of Himself was SOOOO inadequate that I, in my finite ignorance, chose to change it. That's the definition of arrogance and foolishness. Note: Later in the book the god the mother turns into a ponytailed old man hippy. I'm really not sure which is more annoying ... 2. The Jesus of the Shack is a counterfeit Jesus (kind of a karmic/universalist Jesus). Referring to Buddhists, Mormons, and Muslims, Jesus of the Shack declares "I have no desire to make them Christian," (wait, wut?) and paints Christians as religious fanatics and part of a sinful world system. That may be a lot of things, but that's not the Jesus of history OR the Bible. Jesus also tells Mack that he is "the best way any human can relate to Papa (god the father/mother) or Sarayu (The Shack holy spirit)." Best way? Best way of what? Many ways? Lots of ways? "Best" implies there are options for relating to God. No way. Jesus said He is the only way: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 One way. Not "best" way. Only way. 3. The goddess of The Shack doesn't punish sin. "She," says, "I don't need to punish people for sin. Sin is its own punishment, devouring you from the inside. It's not my purpose to punish it; it's my joy to cure it." The author is making it up as he goes along .... The real God does take joy in saving people. That's what John 3:16 is all about. But: God NEEDS to punish sin because He is a just and good God. Crooked evil judges let the guilty go free. Crooked judges must themselves be brought to justice. God is NOT a crooked judge. He's a good judge. He's love and justice. So He must punish sin. She (the goddess of the Shack) says, "In Jesus, I have forgiven all humans for their sins against me, but only some choose relationship." If all humans are forgiven, then all go to heaven, even Hitler. Lest you think I'm making too much of this, the author of The Shack has refused to affirm that only the sins of those who repent are forgiven (read more by clicking here-last paragraph). God has not forgiven all sins. In Acts 3:19 Peter says, "Repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away." God's punishment: "And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life." Matthew 25:46 (NLT) God really punishes sin. Every. Single. Bit. But Jesus willingly took my place, so that if I repent of my sin, and follow Him, His sacrifice will wipe all my sins away. 4. It's irreverent. I'm not quite sure how to communicate this in a way that sounds "right" when I write it, but the Jesus of the Shack is just a little bit of a ridiculous goof. He's dropping stuff on the floor and chasing fish that He can't catch and talks like a child at times (according to the author). 66 books in the Bible, lots and lots of words – so wordy! But God never presents Jesus like that. Ever. So those are my top four reasons The Shack is wrong, whacked, wretched and the worst. Now you might say: a. "But David, it's fiction!" So if it's fiction, anything goes? Like I could write a book about how Jesus didn't die, didn't rise from the grave but married and had little Jesuses, and the church covered it up for 2,000 years? That would be ok? Then how come Christians got all worked up about the DaVinci Code? It was just fiction. b. "But David come on! It has caused some people to hunger for God!" Ok! All aboard the money train! I'm publishing a picture book that presents Jesus as Ariana Grande! I'm sure lots of the 12 to 30 male crowd will have an increased hunger for my Jesus, and I'll get rich! Is that what we've come to? As long as the "Jesus" you present makes people hungry, it's good? I'm hungry for the bacon god! Here's the issue that's critical for our souls: Run from anyone that tries to sell you a different God than THE One revealed in His Word. Worship God the Father, creator of heaven and earth. God the Son, who died for our sins and rose to give us eternal life, and God the Holy Spirit, our counselor, and comforter. At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10-11 (NLT) Amen and amen. Originally posted at I Like My Coffee Black. David Ruzicka is senior pastor at Fort Bend Fellowship.
Stan Posted March 2, 2017 Author Posted March 2, 2017 I was purposely overstating to prove a point. Sorry shoukd have have made that clearer. phkrause 1 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Stan Posted March 2, 2017 Author Posted March 2, 2017 Jesus spoke to the people in the words they would get the message in. This movie does that, the point that is dealt with is the big questions, why is there pain and suffering A key point one of the children was going to hell one to heaven the father could choose. He said take me instead. God said, that is what I did for my children... really powerful moment.. rudywoofs (Pam), JoeMo, CoAspen and 2 others 5 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Gary K Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 5 hours ago, Stan said: I was purposely overstating to prove a point. Sorry shoukd have have made that clearer. lOk. No problem. I was just trying to figure out if someone had actually done that in your presence or not. Quote
Gary K Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 5 hours ago, Stan said: Jesus spoke to the people in the words they would get the message in. This movie does that, the point that is dealt with is the big questions, why is there pain and suffering A key point one of the children was going to hell one to heaven the father could choose. He said take me instead. God said, that is what I did for my children... really powerful moment.. There are really powerful moments in a lot of things, but what is the general effect if the movie mixes error and truth? That happens to be one of the devil's favorite ways to lead people astray. The truth part makes it sound good, but the error part is poison spiritually. He is an expert at doing this and can make it extremely emotionally appealing. It is what he did with Eve. He included just enough truth to make his lie palatable to her. If he had come right out and just attacked God directly she would have realized who he was and just walked away. He is extremely sly. LifeHiscost and aka 2 Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted March 3, 2017 Members Posted March 3, 2017 I actually think Satan would rather *not* see The Shack story be made into a movie. Anything that grabs a person's attention, points them to the subject of God and His character, and creates a medium for conversation and exploration about Him goes against Satan's agenda. Really, he's *more* than happy when folks retreat into their comfort zones — it means that the message of God will be delayed that much longer. This is not to say that everyone should see the movie. If someone feels strongly that s/he should not view it, then by all means, do not view it. But most all religious movies have created an opening for discussion with people who are searching... Gregory Matthews, CoAspen, Tom Wetmore and 2 others 5 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
aka Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 The Shack..... a review http://tinyurl.com/z9nvr47 “The Shack” is: a close encounter with God that’s like an instruction manual for those who prefer their faith mixed with sentimental teardrops. There’s an image of conservative Christianity as living on the opposite shore from Freudian therapy, but “The Shack” demonstrates how the two have merged. Mack must take a journey into the past to heal his demons, and to forgive the original sinner: his father. And he does it with the support of his new trio of counselor peeps: Jesus, the Messiah-as-mensch who teaches him how to walk on water (the movie’s one token supernatural touch); Sarayu, the Holy Ghost, played by the Japanese actress and model Sumira, who seems to be on hand mostly to round out the ethnicity of the cast; and Spencer’s Papa/God, who’s so jolly and benign that she makes the embrace of faith seem like sunshine and lollipops. The movie’s message is, “Have no fear! God truly is right here with you.” All that’s missing is a weekend spa treatment." “The Shack” has a real chance to connect commercially, because even though its drama is mushy, at heart it’s a bit of a theme-park ride: the movie in which you get to know what it’s like to hang out with God and make friends with Jesus. In life, religion isn’t nearly so reassuring. It’s daunting, and our culture is starved for films that portray religious feeling in a way that’s both reverent and truthful. “The Shack” isn’t one of them; it reduces faith to a kind of spiritual comfort food. Owen GleibermanChief Film Critic Quote
Gary K Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 12 hours ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said: I actually think Satan would rather *not* see The Shack story be made into a movie. Anything that grabs a person's attention, points them to the subject of God and His character, and creates a medium for conversation and exploration about Him goes against Satan's agenda. Really, he's *more* than happy when folks retreat into their comfort zones — it means that the message of God will be delayed that much longer. This is not to say that everyone should see the movie. If someone feels strongly that s/he should not view it, then by all means, do not view it. But most all religious movies have created an opening for discussion with people who are searching... The Bible tells another story. The story of the first man born on earth is an example of how the devil does not care if we come to worship God in any way other than the way God has specified. He goaded Cain into thinking his own works were good enough to present before God, and when God did not accept his sacrifice he was enraged. There are many other examples of this too. The entire life of Christ is an example of this. The Jews were going to church and talking about the Bible and God all the time, yet when God actually showed up they killed Him. They were not worshipping God in truth. They were worshipping what they wanted God to be, rather than who He actually is. Did the devil care that they worshipped a false God? He loved it. He led them to think of themselves as God's children even while they were plotting to murder the Son of God. The devil is only concerned when we worship God in truth. When we worship God the way God says we are to worship Him it arouses his anger for then he is worried about losing his subjects. Anything less than that he delights in for he then has us under his control just as surely as he had the Jews of Christ's day under his control. Quote
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted March 3, 2017 Moderators Posted March 3, 2017 They devil is always concerned when we worship God in any manner. Why? Because the mere fact that we are worshiping God indicates the potential for us to grow in truth and that concerns the devil. Furthermore, as humans, none of us can believe that we worship God perfectly. It is only in the after-life that we will have a perfect worship. God considers our intent, accepts it for what is intended, and the Holy Spirit leads us in further truth. JoeMo, LifeHiscost and rudywoofs (Pam) 3 Quote Gregory
JoeMo Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 I saw the Shack this weekend and really enjoyed it. I was blessed by the book as well. I would recommend that anyone who is hung up on a legalistic and vengeful God go see it - to add some balance to their spiritual lives. One line that Jesus said in the movie that made me chuckle - "religion - just too much work!" Maybe not biblical, but it struck a chord with me.. Quote
CoAspen Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 Quote ...... "religion - just too much work!" Maybe not biblical, but it struck a chord with me.. Quote
Members phkrause Posted March 7, 2017 Members Posted March 7, 2017 I read the book a number of years ago. I really enjoyed it! Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
JoeMo Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 On 3/2/2017 at 7:32 PM, Gary K said: what is the general effect if the movie mixes error and truth? The movie is a story - fiction. It does not represent itself as a documentary or a theological expose'. As a story, it presents a beautiful picture of God's love. People who criticize "The Shack" based on theological accuracy are the same as those who criticized "The Da Vince Code" as being theologically inaccurate. again, it was a work of fiction - not a theological attempt to justify that Mary Magdalene's womb was the Holy Grail. There are almost NO Hollywood movies about the Bible that do not mix error with truth. At the best, they have all been stories based on a story based on a true story. If anyone has seen "A Case for Christ" yet, I would love to see a review. Quote
Liz Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 I read that book several years ago. One thing that popped out at me was the fact that God kept creating, in the form of the woman who was always cooking. I doubt if I watch the movie, not my cup of tea really and besides movies usually don't do the books justice in my opinion. Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes.
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted April 12, 2017 Moderators Posted April 12, 2017 In the post-Christian in which many live, they may begin their spiritual journey to God by way of an imperfect means. That is O.K. as the Holy Spirit can use a small element of truth as a starting point at which their journey begins. By the way, that can happen to SDAs and has likely been the story of some of us here in Club Adventist. As an example, a number of years ago there was a Play, "Jesus Christ Superstar." It was certainly defective in some of its theology. Yet, it became the starting point for some to begin a journey that took them into traditional Christianity to include the SDA Church. We should be careful that we do not limit the work of the Holy Spirit to methods and means that are 100% in accord with Biblical teachings. But, that does not mean that we teach error ourselves. For every thing there is always a time and a place. I remember a time when as a congregational pastor a couple asked me to visit them. They wanted to know more about SDA teachings and they informed me that they were open to "new truth." They presented me with a list of five (5) doctrines that they stated were not subject to challenge. If the I disagreed with any of the five I was "toast," so to speak. And they wanted me to go over SDA teachings on those five points prior to anything else. Well, four (4) of those doctrinal points were as SDAs commonly understand the Bible. I agreed to study those five with them and I placed the four on which we agreed as our first studies. After studying the four, I had built a relationship and they were ready for the 5th. When I presented that one, they agreed and with that out of the way, we could go on to other Biblical issues. Folks, we do not immediately have to correct every error that we see in a person. The Holy Spirit does not do that. The Holy Spirit has a time and a place and such may not have come for us. God has more to present you and I in the future than we understand now. Yes, The Shack is defective and imperfect. It clearly may not be for everyone. But, that does not mean that the HS can't use it as a beginning point in one's spiritual journey to a true understanding of God. JoeMo 1 Quote Gregory
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