What Does the Bible Say about Plagues and Pandemics?

[phkrause]

Interesting article, thought I'd share it and see what others think:

https://www.crosswalk.com/special-coverage/coronavirus/what-does-the-bible-say-about-plagues-and-pandemics.html?

[stinsonmarri]

On 9/26/2021 at 11:39 AM, phkrause said:

Interesting article, thought I'd share it and see what others think:

I truly like the article and it say this: "This is not to say that God (YAHWEH ELOHE) doesn’t also send plagues on His people when they wander to also call them back to repentance." Not, only HIS people but the sinful condition of the world. We have not taken care of the earth and the animals also our lustful nature has worsen. Most want to talk about the homosexual constantly, but never want to talk about what heterosexuals do which is the same thing but it is Oral Sex. You want talk about the homosexual than you need to talk bout the heterosexuals' as well. Both commit Anus sex as well, we just don't want to discuss it. All of these sexual acts are against what YAHWEH created, the male and the female to do when they married. They were suppose to replenish the earth. Then, there is fornication, having babies out of wedlock and so many other things. However, the ones that Paul states that defaces THE IMAGE of ELOHIM is the ones we do just like animals and is called unnatural affections:

For the wrath of YAHWEH is revealed from Heaven against all wickedness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;   Because that which may be known of ELOHIYM is manifest in them; for ELOHIYM hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of HIM (THEM) from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even HIS  (THEIR)ETERNAL POWER and MAJESTY; so that they are without excuse:  Because that, when they knew ELOHIYM (ELOHE), they esteemed HIM not as YAHWEH, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the MAGNIFICENCE of THE UNINCORRUPTIBLE ELOHIYM (THE THREE INDIVIDUAL BEINGS) into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore (THE) ELOHIYM also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of themselves:  into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the CREATOR(S), who is BLESSED for ever. Amen. For this cause (THE) ELOHIYM  gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was fit.  And even as they did not like to retain ELOHIYM in their knowledge, ELOHIYM gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fit; Rom 1:18-28 

 And as HE sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto HIM privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? All these are the beginning of sorrows. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.  Mat 24: 3, 8, 12

Many do not realize that the disciples asked two questions. So, YAHSHUA was talking about three things, When shall these things be, the signs of HIS coming and of the world! So, when you read this you must take inconsideration the three things they ask. When YAHSHUA spoke of the beginning of sorrows, it because of so many wars that would increase all of the way down to the beginning of sorrow. Biden has proven that wars must stop. Yes, their are some minor wars in Arabia and Afrika but they will soon stop as well. Why the sorrow will bring in the Time of Trouble and then the Gospel will be preached to the great multitude. By two groups, the wise teachers; the 144,000 remnant the new call IsraEL and those call from the grave. These are the ones who will assist the Wise teachers. They will bring in a multitude to be call IsraEL. All overcoming like Jacob!  

That is there is the warning giving in the Old and New Testament about pestilence that also means plagues. COVID is a universal pandemic that none before it, is like it! Satan cannot bring on plagues, these viruses have both a DNA and an RNA like us. They come and break down your immune system and what most do not understand when your immune system breaks down bacteria attacks the body. Bacteria is more deadly than any virus they just work to destroy you together if the virus breaks down the immune system. That's what leukemia does. People die of bacteria that the white cells keep out. Bacteria cannot get into the system like viruses can. This is sorrow! The fires spreading to many states that man cannot put out are sorrow, higher winds earthquakes, higher speed tornadoes, rain that cause  enormous floods that has never been done before all at one time and each year it is getting worse because of climate change. We talk about the gas companies polluting, the overcrowded slaughterhouses that kills animals are just as bad! What they put out is so much waste, contamination is unbelievable. By the time the animals reach human consumption, the rigor mortis sets immediately after death. There is more than this you need to read about it.

 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Gen 9:3-5

We were never suppose to continue eating animals! So, all of the sins have become a stench in THE NOSTRIL of THE FATHER. This is time for serious prayer. But, the devil most of all is trying to stop the Gospel to be preach around the world! He brought on Trump, who brought out hate that was hidden, in many hearts to the surface, just like the Bible said! There are no discussions about Sunday or the Sabbath! That is not on Satan's agenda! He wants a civil war again here in America to stop the prophecies and many Adventist have fallen for the delusion to believe a lie! Get this! Satan does not want to die, and he does not want the world to end. He wants to control it and YAHSHUA Said that if HE does not hurry up and come back:

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Mat 24:22

Wake up Adventist please, wake up the time is at hand!

Thanks for the article!

Blessings and Prayers!

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri:  You may wonder why people react to you as they do.  One reason is that we cannot trust you to accurately quote someone.  If you do not like what a person says, you rearrange the words to make the person say what you want them to say.

 

In the above you said: I truly like the article and it say this: "This is not to say that God (YAHWEH ELOHE) doesn’t also send plagues on His people when they wander to also call them back to repentance."

NOTE the quotation marks that you used.

Heree is what the article actually said:  "This is not to say that God doesn’t also send plagues on His people when they wander to also call them back to repentance."

You did not like what the article said, so you inserted additional words into your quotation.  This was not a one-time ocurance.  You have done so before.  You will probably do so again. I think that this was intentional and it causes people to not trust what you write.  After all, if you can not be trusted to accurately quote another person, how can you be trusted at all? 

 

[stinsonmarri]

11 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

Stinsonmarri:  You may wonder why people react to you as they do.  One reason is that we cannot trust you to accurately quote someone.  If you do not like what a person says, you rearrange the words to make the person say what you want them to say.

 

In the above you said: I truly like the article and it say this: "This is not to say that God (YAHWEH ELOHE) doesn’t also send plagues on His people when they wander to also call them back to repentance."

NOTE the quotation marks that you used.

Heree is what the article actually said:  "This is not to say that God doesn’t also send plagues on His people when they wander to also call them back to repentance."

You did not like what the article said, so you inserted additional words into your quotation.  This was not a one-time ocurance.  You have done so before.  You will probably do so again. I think that this was intentional and it causes people to not trust what you write.  After all, if you can not be trusted to accurately quote another person, how can you be trusted at all? 

 

Pastor Matthews I put in parenthesis YAHWEH ELOE. Excuse me sir, I did like the articles. Yes in parenthesis I put THE SACRED NAMES. I forgot this time not to make it bold.

 What's the purpose of parentheses?

Reasons to Use Parentheses. The first function of parentheses is to offer extra information. Parentheses communicate to readers that the material inside the parentheses is not necessary to understand the main sentence, nor is it part of the grammar of the main sentence, but is pertinent enough to be included. Writing Commons: The encyclopedia for writers, researchers, and knowledge workers

That is not correct so, what you said Pastor Matthew. I have used  parentheses only a few times  I usually, make it not bold I forgot this time. I put the parentheses in for all those like me who do believe in THE SACRED NAMES. What on earth is wrong with that? Why would people not trust me? So, you are saying for putting in parentheses THE SACRED NAMES, I am not trust worthy? I have never changed anything! These people who do not trust me need to come to me and not to you! If they feel that I have done something wrong, that's what the email we have is for.

You know what's so sad to me Pastor Matthews I have seen people say the most outragious things on this forum and you don't say a word. But, it always me. First, you accuse me of being rued, judgmental and now  not trust worthy because I put in parentheses THE SACRED HOLY NAME! What's next?  Because you ask me, I quoted EGW like you said. I have being very respectful to you. You have not to me lately after I disagree with you about the sacraments. All really started with Trump's character and what others said about the Black Lives Moment I defended. You also did not like about the information about the Phoenicians I provided.

One person if you recall was upset with the racial website you provided that I totally rejected.

Not one thing that I have said is untrue,  I always provided the sources I used, where it came from. You are the Moderator and I have seen you take sides lately and that is sad to me. We come here to comment, I thought to give comments base on the Bible and facts! Some have used abbreviation of wearing and I never see you say anything to them. Its always about me and I wonder why?

Finally, I cannot make you or the ones you claim don't trust me. However, the Bible states let these accuser stand up and tell  me why they don't trust me. You, the Bible say that when you stand and provide the truth, you will be disliked, accuse of false things and not trusty worthy. You today have showed me where you stand and where I stand. I am going to provide what the Bible says and if you or others have a problem with the parentheses the instead I will use an asterisk and place it below. Is that trustworthy enough for you? I am going to be humble but stand firm for justice and truth. I cannot make people like or as you said trust me but I can show love!

May YAHWEH Bless you and keep you and give you peace Pastor Matthews!

[stinsonmarri]

I made some correction and adjustment to the above comment, I sent back to Pastor Matthews:

That is not correct so, what you said Pastor Matthew. I have used  parentheses only a few times  I usually, make it not bold, I forgot this time. I put the parentheses in for all those like me who do believe in THE SACRED NAMES. What on earth is wrong with that? Why would people not trust me? So, you are saying for putting in parentheses THE SACRED NAMES, I am not trust worthy? I have never changed anything! These people who do not trust me need to come to me and not to you! If they feel that I have done something wrong, that's what the email we have is for.

You know what's so sad to me Pastor Matthews I have seen people say the most outragious things on this forum and you don't say a word. But, it always me. First, you accuse me of being rude, judgmental and now  not trust worthy because I put in parentheses THE SACRED HOLY NAME! What's next?  Because you ask me, I quoted EGW like you said. I have being very respectful to you. You have not to me lately after I disagree with you about the sacraments. All really started with Trump's character and what I said and they did like it at all. Others would make false claims about the Black Lives Moment and I defended them.  January 6 proved my point it is the hatred and it is all over this website. Not one word from you on the hatred!
You also did not like about the information I provided about the Phoenicians. The true writers of ancient times that included the Bible. You still put up a site about that the Hebrews or the Black People spoke Semitic because certain Europeans says so when other intellectual people from Yale, one of the most well accredited and respected college, presented artifacts that shows the Black Phoenicians are the writers which is the true facts! However, you have a right to believe what you want. You also allow to write against what I have provided. Yet, I cannot use parentheses! Have you read Eze Chapter 28? Now, it appear YAHWEH told Ezekiel to go to the King of Tyre. This was a Phoenician King. Moses live in an Egyptian Palace that was Afrikan and so were the people. Matter of fact the Moses is not Hebrew, it is Egyptian and if you notice it is similar to Thutmose or Thutmosis name. I believed Neferure,  Hatshepsut daughter found Moses in the Nile and was his second mother. My point is Moses study the languages known to the dominant Black people of that time. The Phoenicians language was the lingua franca of that time and when he wrote the Bible. More and more will come out to show that YAHWEH is not respect of any ethnic group. All people did great things and knew YAHWEH! The Europeans did not do everything!

When the person commented against the racial website you provided that I totally rejected. Was she trustworthy because she did not like what you provided?

Not one thing that I have said is untrue,  I always provided the sources I used, also where it came from. You are the Moderator and I have seen you take sides lately and that is sad to me. We come here to comment, I thought to give comments base on the Bible and facts! Some have used abbreviation of swearing and I never see you say anything to them. Its always about me and I wonder why?

Finally, I cannot make you or the ones you claim don't trust me. However, the Bible states let these accuser stand up and tell  me why they don't trust me. The Bible says that when you stand and provide the truth, you will be disliked, accuse of false things and not trusty worthy. You today have showed me where you stand and where I stand. I am going to provide what the Bible says and if you or others have a problem with the parentheses then instead I will use an asterisk and place it below. Is that trustworthy enough for you? I am going to be humble but stand firm for justice and truth. I cannot make people like me or as you said trust me but I can show them and you love!

May YAHWEH Bless you and keep you and give you peace Pastor Matthews!

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri:  Parentheses do exactly what you said they do, for the original writer.  They do not allow you to place additional material in something that someone else wrote.

The manner in which you wrote would reasonably (normally) lead people to think that the passage that you claim to have copied also the material that you added.

Your post was deceptive by any normal scholarly standard.

[stinsonmarri]

On 9/28/2021 at 5:08 PM, Gregory Matthews said:

Stinsonmarri:  Parentheses do exactly what you said they do, for the original writer.  They do not allow you to place additional material in something that someone else wrote.

The manner in which you wrote would reasonably (normally) lead people to think that the passage that you claim to have copied also the material that you added.

Your post was deceptive by any normal scholarly standard.

Pastor,  now its about normal standard scholarly writing, really sir? I did not that this forum required that. If so I would have done it in a more professional manner. However, am I the only one that suppose to be more of a professional scholar or is everyone supposed to be? I made spelling mistakes and my grammar is not the best so, I would had someone to proof it. That's when I do thing professionally! I also see you make mistakes in your spelling is that professionally or do I just have to fit this category? I have seen many misquote a lot of things but I have never seen you tell them that they need to be more professional! 

Remember the website you put out claiming that's what I accept! It was racial and when did I ever state anything what that website claim? Now, as the Moderator do you think that was professional? 

So, everyone can speak even abbreviate cursing words, but I alone must be professional right? I thought this was a forum of ordinary common people that we voice our comments on the Bible. I think I use the parentheses a few times and I always did not make it bold. But since you want me to be professional I will you use brackets or an asterisk and explain below. What else would you like me to do Pastor Matthews so I can be trustworthy for you? Is that it? Would you like me to do citations professionally too? I just would like to know sir.

Blessings!

[bonnie]

7 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

 

So, everyone can speak even abbreviate cursing words, but I alone must be professional right?

Blessings!

Again trying for hours and oini

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri:

*  Yes my posts do have typos in words are spelled wrong.   I have ARMD and the physicians are working hard to keep me from going blind.

*  I do not point out your spelling errors, typos and misuse of words because I do not know about your possible issues with vision.   

*  No one here expects you to write as an academic scholar.  However, if you choose to write in the English language, we expect you to use standard grammar.   You have informed us that you are a college graduate.  So, we expect to see your posts to have a level of grammar that a college graduate would have.    If you fail to do so, you will communicate in a manner that makes you hard to understand.  In addition, People are often not going to expend the effort to understand what you have written.

 *  You have written in a manner presents yourself as being ignorant of the difference between parentheses and brackets.  Now in a recent post you let us know that you are aware of the difference between them.   O.K.  Fine.  If you do not care enough about how people see you, if you are fine with writing in a manner that presents you as being ignorant, continue to do so.  You are ultimately responsible for how people perceive you.

*  The bottom line is that you continue to write in a manner that when you quote, you insert your own words into your quotation.   You do it with your quotations from the Bible.  I have discussed this with you privately and you agreed to change.  For a while you did change in the manner that you stated you would.  But, in more recent times you have gone back to your old ways.  I have left you alone on this as I have given up on you.

*  No one is telling you that you cannot post.  You can continue to post as you do.  But, if you want people to pay attention to you and to consider what you say, you are going to have to make changes.  That is up to you. 

[bonnie]

14 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

 

So, everyone can speak even abbreviate cursing words, but I alone must be professional right? I

You really cannot let your petty, nit picking grievances go can you? I was not cursing or using abbreviated curse words. But even if you are correct that was several weeks ago.You pronounced your judgement on that at the time and of course several times after. I know it is beyond your ability to understand but you are simply wrong. That is an expression our family has used for a very long time without meaning  an abbreviation of curse words. Really no need for you to obsess over it.

 

 

[stinsonmarri]

On 9/30/2021 at 8:21 AM, Gregory Matthews said:

*  Yes my posts do have typos in words are spelled wrong.   I have ARMD and the physicians are working hard to keep me from going blind.

*  I do not point out your spelling errors, typos and misuse of words because I do not know about your possible issues with vision.   

Pastor Matthews: If you recall I also said I became Sepsis and I was hospitalized and almost died. Blessed Man told me about a program that has helped me a lot. My left eye became badly damage. You have complain about my grammar and my spelling you just do not remember. I realize that I have a problem with it and I am not ashamed nor do I get up set with you or anyone concerning this problem. However, you also wants me to be professional and not to call out facts that I have a right to do.

Many as I stated have said rude and racial things that should be address. You do not address them! We may not agree on all things but no one should be put down because they do not agree with you or the norm, whatever that is! If you don't agree that's fine with me. But I have a right not to agree as well.

On 9/30/2021 at 8:21 AM, Gregory Matthews said:

You have written in a manner presents yourself as being ignorant of the difference between parentheses and brackets.  Now in a recent post you let us know that you are aware of the difference between them.   O.K.  Fine.  If you do not care enough about how people see you, if you are fine with writing in a manner that presents you as being ignorant, continue to do so.  You are ultimately responsible for how people perceive you.

You have made this clear of how I am being perceived. Did you stop and think how you were perceived by that racial website? Not only that Pastor Matthew, you tried to make it appear that my comments was coming from that site and it was not! This was insulting and misleading and you have yet to address it!

Fantastic Pastor Matthew, so, now I am ignorant to whom? Because you as a White man and the moderator feel you have a right to call me that because I am a Black person? This shows who you are and not me. I stand out because I will tell you and others the truth and I am neither afraid or ashamed for truth and justice. It all comes out now! So, now what do you want to do bomb my home if I don't jump to your command? So, now what you see is to belittle someone as to call them ignorant? 

On 9/30/2021 at 8:21 AM, Gregory Matthews said:

  No one is telling you that you cannot post.  You can continue to post as you do.  But, if you want people to pay attention to you and to consider what you say, you are going to have to make changes.  That is up to you. 

Yes, you have told me what I should not post over and over again. Shall I go and provide the evidence? You have thrown out many accusations since I stood up for those who put down the Black Lives Movement. No one has even care to address the same people who haven threaten doctors, nurses, school Boards and many others. It has become so bad that on Jan 6 of this year they marched on the Capitol and devastated the police who they claim to love!

I seen you make references because I forget to put down the Bible Translation I use among other things. You question my degree because I didn't put it where you felt it should be! You sent me a book which, I felt you were sincere then. Now, I wonder! You felt I need to conform to Exegesis way of thinking. I don't! I do not believe in the Hellenist acceptance that the church has chosen to accept.

You know Pastor, you have ever opportunity to show me I was wrong in the Bible but you haven't. It always how I done something to others and not what they have said as well. I have never seen you bring out one thing about the Bible I have said wrong. It all about how I having to please people, no matter what they say or how they say it. I have to step in line, I wonder why sir?  I would love to see you address your mistakes as a man of the cloth. To whom do you own your allegiance to, THE MOST HIGH, or to people who traditions are not related to HIS Commandments!

Happy Sabbath Pastor!

[stinsonmarri]

On 9/30/2021 at 9:18 AM, bonnie said:

You really cannot let your petty, nit picking grievances go can you? I was not cursing or using abbreviated curse words. But even if you are correct that was several weeks ago.You pronounced your judgement on that at the time and of course several times after. I know it is beyond your ability to understand but you are simply wrong. That is an expression our family has used for a very long time without meaning  an abbreviation of curse words. Really no need for you to obsess over it.

 

 

Hey, Bonnie YAHSHUA'S on the main line just tell HIM what you want! Blessed assurance YAHSHUA is mine! Oh, what a foretaste of GLORY DIVINE! Heir of salvation, purchase of YAH, Born of THE HOLY SPIRIT, washed in YAHSHUA'S BLOOD!

This is my story, this is my song! Praising my SAVIOR all the day long! This is my story, this is my song! Praising my SAVIOR all the day long!

Praying for You!

[stinsonmarri]

phkrause: I would like to humbly apologize to you. I thought that the article was very good, as I stated. I sorry to have put the parenthesis up with THE NAME YAHWEH ELOE up with the quotation please for give me! I did not realize sincerely that it would bring in the problem I cause for it to be there. My purpose was to provide YAHWEH SACRED NAME which I will always do not matter the negativity toward me. I did not want it to bring down the topic of your thread. I will be more mindful of that in the future. 

The message of truth must come out so please continue to provide it please. We are living in a chilling time and evil is constantly trying to stop the prophecies for being fulfilled. My mistake was how I wrote, to allow it to be about my writing and not about the message. That's what he does. Do not let this be a set back on your part! You have the correct message and may YAHWEH continue to provide you with the message that needs to be heard. When I comment, I will pray not to draw any attention to me or my mistakes is my prayer!

Happy Sabbath and Blessings to you!

[bonnie]

3 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

Hey, Bonnie YAHSHUA'S on the main line just tell HIM what you want! Blessed assurance YAHSHUA is mine! Oh, what a foretaste of GLORY DIVINE! Heir of salvation, purchase of YAH, Born of THE HOLY SPIRIT, washed in YAHSHUA'S BLOOD!

This is my story, this is my song! Praising my SAVIOR all the day long! This is my story, this is my song! Praising my SAVIOR all the day long!

Praying for You!

Stinsonmarri,

You are getting sillier all the time. Most of the time you respond it simply is not relevant to the subject you are responding to. I read your response to Gregory and that is your typical way to respond. Gregory can and I believe will speak for himself. No way and under no circumstances did be refer to you as ignorant. Then you twist remarks to make yourself a victim of racism. You have done this to most you have disagreement with. 

You cannot let go of a term I used, insisting again and again it is your way. Making it something it was not.Always pontificating and waving your self serving piety.  Now you come back with the silliest response. I asked you before what your problem is. Say you were right, how many people see your repeated judgements of me on this issue important enough to keep hammering at it.  Your opinion on that is completely unimportant and immaterial. It will be interesting how long you can keep something so immaterial going. I think the way you twist what others say and how you bring out the race card is a far more serious issue.

[stinsonmarri]

3 minutes ago, bonnie said:

Stinsonmarri,

You are getting sillier all the time. Most of the time you respond it simply is not relevant to the subject you are responding to. I read your response to Gregory and that is your typical way to respond. Gregory can and I believe will speak for himself. No way and under no circumstances did be refer to you as ignorant. Then you twist remarks to make yourself a victim of racism. You have done this to most you have disagreement with. 

You cannot let go of a term I used, insisting again and again it is your way. Making it something it was not.Always pontificating and waving your self serving piety.  Now you come back with the silliest response. I asked you before what your problem is. Say you were right, how many people see your repeated judgements of me on this issue important enough to keep hammering at it.  Your opinion on that is completely unimportant and immaterial. It will be interesting how long you can keep something so immaterial going. I think the way you twist what others say and how you bring out the race card is a far more serious issue.

Love lifted me, yes love lifted me! When nothing else could last love lifted me!

Prayer is needed!

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri:  You suggest that I am racist.  There is a sense in which you speak truth.  In some ways I have treated you in a racist manner.  I have given you more leeway to post than I have given some White people.  I have done that in part because you are a Black female.  That is racist.  

Stinsonmarri:  In this forum, you have benefited from a racist manner in which I have responded to you.

Let me make a suggestion:  I believe that you need a cooling off period of time.  Let us say, one week.  Perhaps if you had a week to cool off and think about it, you would come back to this forum in a more civil manner.

I am not going to ban you for a week, and primarily because you are a Black female.  Perhaps you would like to ban yourself from posting here between now and next Sabbath.

Think about it and let us know.

[phkrause]

4 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

phkrause: I would like to humbly apologize to you. I thought that the article was very good, as I stated. I sorry to have put the parenthesis up with THE NAME YAHWEH ELOE up with the quotation please for give me! I did not realize sincerely that it would bring in the problem I cause for it to be there. My purpose was to provide YAHWEH SACRED NAME which I will always do not matter the negativity toward me. I did not want it to bring down the topic of your thread. I will be more mindful of that in the future. 

The message of truth must come out so please continue to provide it please. We are living in a chilling time and evil is constantly trying to stop the prophecies for being fulfilled. My mistake was how I wrote, to allow it to be about my writing and not about the message. That's what he does. Do not let this be a set back on your part! You have the correct message and may YAHWEH continue to provide you with the message that needs to be heard. When I comment, I will pray not to draw any attention to me or my mistakes is my prayer!

Happy Sabbath and Blessings to you!

No problem and nothing to apologize for!!

[stinsonmarri]

Pastor Matthews: Respectfully, I said what I said sincerely so you do what you have to do. Please, you should treat me as a person and not as a black female. If you do not understand, that's the problem. Calling a person ignorant should be address as well. I will be silent!

Blessing!

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri:  I do not intend to ban you.

Ignorant:  I have just said that you present yourself as ignorant.  That is not saying that you actually are ignorant.

I clearly understand that treating you as a Black female is racist.  I have done that, in that I have given you more freedom to post that I have given other White people.  So, you are correct, I have treated you in a racist manner.  I will probably continue to do so.

I happen to believe that in some areas you have had something to contribute in this forum.  I have hoped that you could make that contribution.  But, your inability to engage in civil discussion has caused the message that you could have given not to be heard.  That is on you.  Only you are responsible.

 

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri:  Let me give you some of my background.

I have an extensive background in formally training military members and also civilian employees in issues related to race and gender.  I do not have an exact number of people who I have been involved in training.  Perhaps, it was 2,500, or perhaps it was3,000.  I do not know.

In one program, I wrote to the person in charge and informed her that her program was racist. The result was that I was immediately placed on the training team and I participated in training 1,000 + employees.

In training that I have conducted, I have often challenged people to think.  In doing so, I would sometimes be challenged as racist or sexist.  When this happened I would immediately invite the person to come to the front and explain to the group why my comment was racist, or sexist.  We would then discuss it.  This was part of my teaching style as I considered it to be good for learning.  But, note, the discussion would be conducted in a civil manner,  Often people who make sexist, racist, remarks are simply not informed as to how their statements are perceived.  They need to be

Early on, when you came to this forum, you challenged one of the members for making a racist remark.  You were correct.  That is exactly what it was.  You were right to respond to that remark.  But, the person who made that remark did it without understanding how it would be perceived.  There was no intent of that person to make a racist remark.

With the passage of time, your approach to other members of this forum became to personally attack them.  You seem to be unable to engage in a civil discussion of the issues.  As such you lose your ability to make positive changes in our society.

In many areas of life, to include, religion, science, social norms and much more, there is no one idea on which all can agree.    IOW, honest people can disagree.  You take people on who disagree with you on just about every issue.  I happen to think that you are correct, on some of the issues that you argue with people.  On others, I do not agree with you.  But, it is not my task in life to change your mind to agree with me on everything.  You and I can differ, and live in the same United states.  We do not have to agree on everything.    You seem to be unable to live in a good social relationshp with people whom you cannot convince to convert to your point of view.

Every person has areas of knowledge where they can be considered to be well informed and other areas in which they are not well informed.  This is true for me as well as true for you.  There are times when you clearly argue positons on subjects that you are not well informed.  You come across as not understanding when you are in over your head and not well informed on the subject matter.  A part of a civil discussion you need to consider this.  Keep you opinion, if you want to do so.  But, recognize that the person who disagrees with you may be better informed on the subject than you are.

If you cn make some changes in how your relate to people here and how you engagae in discussion, you will be welcommed and influential.  That is up to you.  You are responsible, to some degree, for how people relate to you.

 

 

[stinsonmarri]

Pastor Matthews: You state I come across on things that are over my head. You know Pastor, I never claimed that I know everything. That's your perceptions of me. You use to come and tell me once upon a time, things in a respectful way. Now, you tell me things are over my head. What things? I have commented to people that you feel that the person made a racial remark. You know Pastor Matthew, honestly I do not recall you nor that person admitting that they were wrong. Let me say this, there were more than one person who have made racial, unkind, rude, obnoxious remarks and I have never seen you address the issue. You also do not understand as I stated earlier you should have treated me like any person, not as a Black female. This is also have been stated many times in many occasion by us that this too is a form of racial biasness. It should never come to the point that I have seen, when people make racial remarks not against me but against the Jewish Rabbi, the Haitians, Black Lives Matter Movement etc. 

If I have done wrong to anyone, I have no problem in apologizing. But lately you question my intellect just like you state something is "over my head." You still have not address the website you presented that was racial sir!  

Pastor, tell me something, when have I ever ask anyone to convert to my point of view? You have done that to me and you just don't see it. Why did you sent me the book? You don't think that was trying to convert me to your point of view? I have said numerous of time that everyone has to make up in their own mind and it is their choice! Many do not like what I have presented and become nasty others don't! It never ceases to amazes me how a person changes when you point out something in the Bible that they don't like. When that happens they want to become confrontation and argue. When I stand my grounds and even say its your choice, they feel that's not good enough! If I talk to some with kindness, or say prayer can change things, then I am self righteousness. I come to a no win situation with them! When they don't speak the truth and socially put other people down then they are irate because they know they are wrong!

Socially, some people come here to vent! We use to come here to learn from each other. I have learned from you and others here and would hope they have learned from me. We should agree to disagree but I feel in my heart you have changed as have others. If you think that I am "over my head," as you states kindly show me where. I am a person that can take criticism when it is merited. Not when other things cannot be accepted equally. Let me be clear saying "over my head," to me is saying I am ignorant! 

Since we are talking about backgrounds allow me to provide you mine also:

I started as a Director for New Haven School system, dealing and directing the CETA Summer School Project for problem children of all colors. I came out of college afterward, and and assist a brilliant person, in writing my first grant for Atlanta Public School for the new CETA program. It was a lot of money funded to us by CETA. The young lady was the Director and I was the Education Only Counselor. The program was to work with young adults who finish and graduated from High School; but still had problems in reading, writing, and math to pass the TABE test. The Atlanta Tech was own at that time by Atlanta Public School. We had teachers to work with them to improve these basic skills. The program was a major success, many of the students successfully pass up to college level. Later in life I saw a need where I move to in the country and wrote a large grant to work with the poor youth and the elderly that also was very successful.

I have also did paralegal work, consult businesses and nonprofit businesses  on how to operate their businesses. I also work with the Conference here in Georgia providing workshops for Community Services. I have done historical research on Biblical and Afrikan history along with genealogy as well. I am very good in research it is my best strength. I am still working for the unemployment Department at the age of 70.

So, I would like for you to let me know where you feel that I was "over my head," in my comments. I can take constructive criticism that is part of learning and growing Pastor. I have come a long ways caring for my parents and almost dying myself.

My goal is to show people truth historically from the Bible, how the Afrikan people have been overlooked! I am not a shame to express that.  This is something that should be discuss openly without anger, and racial biasness. People who translated the Bible did racial things and have put down people of color, when it was not true. This was done right at the time of Afrikan Chattel slavery. We must all of us together accept that YAHWEH came to all three sons of Noah individually for them to spread the Gospel and they all fail! Now, we all must come together because we ALL ARE RELATED and together we will finish the work!

Blessings!

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmari, said in the quote below:

The book that I sent you was a book that I value highly, and keep in my library, for my personal use.   It is a book that has been well accepted by non-SDA Christians and it is considered to be written on the advanced level of the lay person. 

I was gifted with two of those books. I wanted to give them away to the two people that I felt could best use them.  You and another woman each received one of those books.   I approached you both, described the book and asked if I could send a copy.  Both you and the other woman said yes, and gave me their mailing address.  I have never regretted sending them to both of you.  I have felt that I made the right decision.  

Let me apologize to you.  I did not understand that your life experiences was such that my gift to you of a valued item would be considered to be an attempt to convert you to my view.  That book does not represent my view.  Rather it was a book about the Bible that has been very well accepted by people not SDA.   It was book that I value highly.  It provides me with information that I value and do not have easily available otherwise.

That book is now out of print.  I certainly know of others who would be delighted to have a copy.  Feel free to return it to me as I know of others who would be glad to have a copy, and once you do that I will give it to someone else.  By returning it to me, you will not have to be reminded of something that was offensive to you.  I apologize for offending you by a gift that I personally valued highly.  I thought that you would also value it.

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Why did you sent me the book? You don't think that was trying to convert me to your point of view?

[Gregory Matthews]

The book that I gave to Stinsonmarri is:

Lee J. Gugliotto.  Handbook for Bible Study: A Guide to Understanding, Teaching and Preaching the word of God. Review & Herald, 1995, 462 pages.

It was written for the advanced lay person.  But, in actual fact, it has been used by Seminary students from many Christian denominations.  My present copy first sold for $40.

I gave it to Stinsonmarri because I thought that it was a book that she would value and cherish.  Instead, she has been offended by it.  I am asking her to return it to me so that she will no longer be offended.  If she does that, I will offer it free of charge to someone who will value it.  If you would like to have it, send me a personal message. 

The following is one review of this book:

This handbook helps you handle Scripture responsibly, establishing the proper context for each precious Bible truth. Step-by-step guidelines and numerous practical examples enable you to consistently prepare better sermons, devotionals, and teaching outlines. Includes reproducible exegesis work sheets for contextual, cultural, structural, verbal, theological, and homiletical analyses.

If you long to get deeper into God’s Word, then the comprehensive approach presented in Handbook for Bible Study is for you.

1. Includes information on how to do contextual, cultural, structural, verbal, theological, and homiletical analyses of biblical passages.
    
2. Provides blank study work sheets for each type and shows you by example from the book of Jude how to fill them out.
    
3. Teaches you how to reconstruct the scriptural author's meaning, identify the different literary types found in God's Word, figure out grammatical nuances, and reason logically.
    
4. Explains various sermonic methods, such as motivational approaches, inductive story telling, and logical presentations.
    
5. Describes several sermon types, such as doctrinal, life-situation, and evangelistic.
    
6. Describes various sermon styles, such as topical, textual, and expository.

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2 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

If she does that, I will offer it free of charge to someone who will value it.  If you would like to have it, send me a personal message.

Sounds like it would be an interesting book to read, so I was able to snag one off Amazon for $1.35 (plus shipping)! That way someone else can get a copy of this book.

[Gregory Matthews]

Thank you.