Covid -- Less we forget.

[Asia Joe]

I think it might be important to remember the lessons of the lock-downs. Many people believe it was a trail run for final events. 

Let recall the events, as best we can remember them. 

In early 2020, February, there was a plane load of Chinese tourists from Wuhan vacationing on Boracay island in the Philippines. When the news came out, about Wuhan, the Philippine authorities went and rounded them up, and took them to the airport. They had the China airplane pick them up and take them home.  No apology, no refunds, just get on the plane. 

[Asia Joe]

Now we have the hearings about what happened at that time. I never thought that would happen.  Bill Gates has been humiliated. He lost control of the nonprofit he started and piled so much money into. He lost many friends, including Warren Buffet. The tables have turned on those who promoted the vaccines. I never thought that would happen. 

 

[Hanseng]

People should be free to avoid vaccines. The gov't should construct camps. Put all the antivaxxers in them, regardless of the reasons for their belief. Charge them a fee for every day they are kept there. Some countries in Asia did something similar during Covid. Even vaccinated people in "red" zones were corralled into quarantine camps Probably not widely publicized, some Asian countries were more or less a slaughterhouse during Covid. Basic medical supplies were unavailable. Neighboring countries sealed their borders. There were online videos available, possibly fake, of people dying in the streets.

I've seen enough miraculous happenings through modern medicine to consider antivaxxers stupid, no matter how smart they are. People die from throat spray, peanut dust, bee stings. Dead people are brought back to life through code blue measures, recover from AIDS through antivirals. People in the midst of a heart attack can be relieved through interventional cardiology. Individual rights should end when freedom exposes other people to danger. There are already laws which empower public health officials to forcibly quarantine [lock 'em up] individuals with communicable disease. Years ago in Sacramento, there was a guy, possibly an illegal immigrant, who had multiple drug resistant TB. He was quarantined in his own home. One day a public health official happened by to discover numerous children playing with him. The guy was arrested and forced into a secure location where he could not start an epidemic of a devastating disease. You think people with Ebola are allowed to roam around freely? Time to remove the tin foil pyramid spinner cap, toss the crystals and either self isolate OR get vaccinated.

[Asia Joe]

On 8/10/2026 at 2:05 PM, Hanseng said:

Time to remove the tin foil pyramid spinner cap, toss the crystals and either self isolate OR get vaccinated.

I know many antivaxers that has a close spiritual relationship to God. What is missing in therse discussions is God's position.  God speaks to us through the Bible and the Holy Spirit. If we devote time to Him, he is sure to bless us and leed us in the right direction. 

[Hanseng]

AJ, This has nothing to do with spirituality. Anti-vaxxers who cite spiritual reasons for refusing a shot are like those who conflate Christianity and democracy. One has nothing to do with the other.

[Asia Joe]

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Another Perspective on the Pandemic

[Hanseng]

On 8/22/2026 at 1:25 PM, Asia Joe said:

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It's a mistake to use the issues described in Romans 14 to excuse anti-vaxxers. If I refuse to eat food offered to idols because of my conscience, no one is impacted but me alone. If an anti-vaxxer falls ill, others are endangered by that illness. That's a huge difference.  This is typical "religious" nonsense. My religion exalts me personally beyond my fellows. If you get Covid because of my conscience, that's your problem. My conscience is clear. Not sure what religion that is beyond "me myself and I."Reminds me of the "What is yours is mine, what is mine is mine" philosophy of life.  Contributes to the hatred certain governments manifest towards Christianity.

[Asia Joe]

38 minutes ago, Hanseng said:

If an anti-vaxxer falls ill, others are endangered by that illness. That's a huge difference.

You know I heard that statement before.  Let me ask you something. 

If person A is Vaxed and person B is not.   Lets say B gets the illness. How can A get it if they are vaxed? 

[Hanseng]

Vaccines are not foolproof, especially in the roll out stage. People have different responses.  Effective HIV meds took ~ 15  years to be developed. Covid vaccine about 1 year. No HIV vaccine exists as yet, decades after HIV became a problem in the States. 

My wife and I were both Covid vaxed. She got a mild case, rested a couple of days and was fine. Even though we lived together, I didn't get Covid. Not sure how she got it. Some people, even though exposed to Hepatitis B fight it off and remain essentially immune to it. Others get it, have their liver destroyed and require a transplant.

As I said before, anti vaxxers, if they keep to themselves, in effective isolation, are not a problem. If they want to be part of society, get vaccinated, for the sake of others. This is not a moral issue. It's really not even a matter of conscience. A person who owned an animal that was known to be dangerous would be put to death if the animal killed someone. How much moreso anti-vaxxers who infect others. 

[Asia Joe]

8 hours ago, Hanseng said:

As I said before, anti vaxxers, if they keep to themselves, in effective isolation, are not a problem.

Well, not everyone agrees with that. The Amish are asking the Supreme Court, for that very right. 

https://nypost.com/2026/08/26/us-news/amish-threaten-mass-exodus-from-new-york-over-vaccine-fight-which-is-heading-to-the-supreme-court/

Time will tell. 

[Hanseng]

9 hours ago, Hanseng said:

This is not a moral issue.

Actually it is. If people who refuse vaccination infect others, that would be immoral. One solution would be deporting anti-vaxxers.

[Asia Joe]

That's what Jesus would do. 

[Hanseng]

7 hours ago, Asia Joe said:

That's what Jesus would do.

Exactly the problem, AJ. Dragging Jesus into places where government holds sway. Vaxxing is an issue of public safety/health. It's not a religious matter. Lot of the religious issues today really have little or nothing to do with Jesus. Atheist countries have sense enough to execute bad actors, while so called Christian nations don't. "Christians" ring their hands over abortion, even though the Bible mandates it in certain situations. Luther said he would rather ~be a hog than be subjugated to bad religion.