Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?

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Huh?

[aka]

sure... only the like-minded ones do.

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"Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?" Yes they do!!! Allow me to quote what I have heard hundreds of times at Wendesday night prayer meetings.

" I am so glad to know this message."

But the sad part on close encounter, that which they "know" has only been the memory work of the study material of another man's mind. And all the while Gods Word in it's native purity is lying on the table side by side, with the Adventist TV GUIDE! Tell me which one laying side by side is thread bare from flipping the pages? "Huh?"

[Naomi]

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Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?

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Nope ... won't Heaven be interesting <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

[Joe_in_RP]

If we all agree then this place would be boring.

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I am afraid that it is not until persecutions really breaks upon the professed people of God that ones true colors will be seen. The one's not resisting any truth, will draw together and present to Satan a united front, and yes they will “all teach the same thing” at that point. “Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice

together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye,

when the LORD shall bring again Zion.” Chap. 52, Verse 8,

[iSA].

[Nicodema]

Can't we even say we all agree that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life? That He died for our sins, and that we may have a new life in Him?

Surely we can agree on that ... we might not agree on all the details if we tried to closely and exactingly define what all that means ... but we do agree on that much ... right?

[cricket]

I'm thankful that Adventists don't agree on everything. I'm also thankful that some Adventists agree on some things.

I'm thankful that I'm not alone in my beliefs, but I am also thankful that there are those that challenge my beliefs.

It keeps me questioning, searching and reproving my Lord in all things.

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I'm thankful that Adventists don't agree on everything. I'm also thankful that some Adventists agree on some things.

I'm thankful that I'm not alone in my beliefs, but I am also thankful that there are those that challenge my beliefs.

It keeps me questioning, searching and reproving my Lord in all things.

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But Cris it is contrary to the Christian faith to have divisions among believers, heavens desire for us to “all speak the same thing”. There is no virtue in being at odds with brethren where truth is uttered.

“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus

Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there

be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly

joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Chap. 1, Verse 10, [1CO].

“Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice

together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye,

when the LORD shall bring again Zion. Chap. 52, Verse 8,

[iSA].

“It is Satan's work to

mingle evil with good, and to remove the distinction between

good and evil. Christ would have a church that labors

to separate the evil from the good, whose members will not

willingly tolerate wrongdoing, but will expel it from the

heart and life. [Cf: RH 12-04-00 para. 6] p. 435, Para. 1,

[1900MS].

[aka]

[:"brown"]"....joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Chap 1:10[1CO]"[/]

... ... see, like I said ...like minded walk together in agreement...

... when they major together on the majors and don't over stress the minors.

Except when our God majors in the minors.

Then we better follow suit!

Turmeric

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Can't we even say we all agree that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life? That He died for our sins, and that we may have a new life in Him?

Surely we can agree on that ... we might not agree on all the details if we tried to closely and exactingly define what all that means ... but we do agree on that much ... right?

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Thankfully, Nico, I believe that we can all agree on that much. And, While we may disagree on how to celebrate the Sabbath I believe we can agree on the day of the week and time of the Sabbath's beginning and ending.

When you think about it, that's a lot to agree on!

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Namoni this agreeing on which day to observe will be short lived ammong SDA leadership, even laced with confusion when leading men---"The Lord has a controversy with his professed people in

these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions

will take a course directly opposite to that pursued

by Nehemiah. They will not only ignore and despise the

Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others

by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition.

In churches and in large gatherings in the open air,

ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping

the first day of the week. There are calamities on sea

and land: and these calamities will increase, one disaster

following close upon another; and the little band of conscientious

Sabbathkeepers will be pointed out as the ones

who are bringing the wrath of God upon the world by their

disregard of Sunday. [Cf: RH 03-18-84

[Naomi]

Well I stand corrected, perhaps we can not agree on anything. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

[cricket]

Ed, I think it will be a wonderful day when all Adventists (all Christians) can agree on everything. A wonderful day, indeed, because that day will be the day the Lord returns and those abiding in Christ shall rise.

Until then, we are all seekers of the truth. ALL is not known--some truth to be revealed as time progresses. We are to keep searching, individually and corporately, for the truth as God gives it to us.

On this we should be of one accord: continually seeking the truth.

Furthermore, I do believe that corporately, Adventists do agree on this particular issue.

[Fran]

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“It is Satan's work to

mingle evil with good, and to remove the distinction between

good and evil. Christ would have a church that labors

to separate the evil from the good, whose members will not

willingly tolerate wrongdoing, but will expel it from the

heart and life. [Cf: RH 12-04-00 para. 6] p. 435, Para. 1,

[1900MS].

“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus

Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there

be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly

joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Chap. 1, Verse 10, [1CO].

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Thank you again for reminding us of the counsel we have been given. As I read your quotes my soul is moved. The counsel is hard at times. I used to say, "Surely E.G. White was speaking to someone else". I remember becoming an Adventist and purchased the Conflict Series. I read the Desire of ages and determined I would have all of her writings because anyone who could write those words must be blessed with more than that book.

I read the whole series and the Adventist Home, Christ Object Lessons, and many, many more! It wasn’t until I started reading the Testimonies that a heavy cloud of discouragement came over me. How on earth would I be able to live that kind of life? But when I added more of the Bible to balance my reading, I was able to be pulled out of the depression.

It was the same with Chronicles! I had a terrible time with that too until I became very interested in Genealogy. Now the book is so important to me.

So it has been with the SOP. Many don’t want to hear what is says. “That was all for yesteryear! That doesn’t apply to us today”. But it does. The words can be harsh and hurtful because God’s counsel can also be hard.

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Christ would have a church that labors

to separate the evil from the good, whose members will not

willingly tolerate wrongdoing, but will expel it from the

heart and life. [Cf: RH 12-04-00 para. 6] p. 435, Para. 1,

[1900MS].

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really hit home with me. Everywhere we go evil abounds and surrounds. If I go out to eat there is alcohol and Rock music. Malls have the game rooms where all the kids hang out sharing what they have; Alcohol, Drugs, Needles, and competition. My kids want to go there the whole time! So we stay away from malls.

We, as a church and I, as an individual, have left behind so much of the counsel we have been given. This is hard to hear, but it is my prayer that I will be able to see the difference even though our churches look and act a lot like the world. This makes it hard to see sin as sin when it is so commonplace for the members. At this point change is very difficult.

Even our schools go on questionable field trips!

One day my brother-in-law and sister-in-law came to visit with their grandchildren.

I went to take a nap, got up and my grandson was in the middle of a card game. Money was on the table! They were gambling in my house!

My husband didn't see any harm. Ever since then our 7 yr old grandson has been begging for playing card to play War, Spit, and penny anti poker.

We said no; so later he started gambling with Monopoly Money and the cards we did not know he had. He was given several decks of card by our dear family who knew I did not want him having them. He was playing with my youngest son (25) and his friends! "There is nothing wrong with it"! they said. They don't care what counsel has to say about it.

We adopted 4 Eskimo’s and they all have severe Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS) It is not a pretty sight to behold.

They get addicted to everything; movies, sugar, gambling, nicotine, alcohol, sleep, computers, Play Stations, and the Cube. Let us not forget smokeless tobacco and cruising! Their habits take control of their lives. So we now know our 25 yr old is gambling and our 7 yr old has great desires to do the same. All of it started by someone who was doing us a favor by showing what real boys do!

I pray we are able to stand all counsel that is given to us, no matter the cost. Yes, it is hard and it can cut like a knife! I know. I have lots of scars.

May we all agree to agree to the Bible 1st and the SOP as lesser light that leads to the greater light. May we all build our relationship with Christ through His counsel in His Word and His Prophets. He will lead us to unity and agreement as each of us read, pray and tell. Why? Because the show is about over! The end is on the way.

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Naomi fragmentation within the ranks of Gods professed people is not by accident, IT IS a studied effort by select few within our rank & file. Satan doesn’t need to control everyone, just a few bad apples can spoil the whole barrel. Many signposts along the way pointing weerie pilgrims home have been smeared with the muddy hands of the hireling shepherds, but God will soon take the reins into His own hands and they will hear His voice and unite and present to Satan a united front. Remember at one time

“The members of the church were united in sentiment and action.

Love for Christ was the golden chain that bound them

together. They followed on to know the Lord more and still

more perfectly, and in their lives were revealed the joy

and peace of Christ. They visited the fatherless and widows

in their affliction, and kept themselves unspotted from the

world, realizing that a failure to do this would be a contradiction

of their profession and a denial of their Redeemer.

p. 579, Para. 1, [AA].

We can have that again, don’t you think?

[Gail]

Way to go, Doug

[Joe_in_RP]

He's back !!

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Hey Joe knapp

wow are you talking about me being back????

or are you talking about you being back?????

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Yes Doug welcome back, now consider saying something.

Did you miss the inspired quote I posted above where SDA leadership will introduce Sunday from the pulpits of their churches and not even be ashamed of it? Will you Doug, just lay over and agree and say, whatever?

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Fran that was a great post!

Can't you put those Eskimos on an Alaska Airlines flight to... the North Slope?

[wicklunds]

It's already happening, and its why whole churches have left the faith. Damascus Road Community Church is one, in Maryland. Here is the link to a discussion about it:

http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=522

[Nicodema]

I attend 3 churches near where I live and one of them is in Damascus. It is NOT DRCC though. I believe it might be the one the sabbath keepers formed (or kept) when DRCC split off and went elsewhere, but I'm not sure about all the history.

One thing I am sure about: I don't like contemporary music in worship service. I don't mind it on the car radio or in the home, but when I go to worship I want traditional music. There's another church I go to that does the traditional music (hymns & choir) but they are very "high church" and their services are very long which is hard on my back to sit through. I tried yet another church nearby, a smaller one, and the pastor is too political; it made me very uncomfortable. Ironically, the church I get "fed" at the most is this one very casual church (people come in jeans, etc.) that meets later and I can usually catch the sermon & potluck if I go after regular church. They also do contemporary music but the preaching there is so deep and Biblical and strong it makes up for it.

Since there are things I like and don't like about the 3 I usually go to, I can't settle on just one church!

[wicklunds]

I can say I like to hear only flutes in church and still not understand the real issues in the end-time struggle for souls.

[Nicodema]

Dennis if that was directed at me you are barking up the wrong tree. I refrain from making definitive statements about understanding "the real issues" because I am not God and I don't pretend to be God. I understand as much as He has given me to understand and beyond that I pray for more understanding if He sees fit. Sharing my musical preferences was not a bid of any sort. It was simply sharing my musical preferences. I do not believe that liking one type of music rather than another is indicative of anything but a personal preference.

[wicklunds]

Yeah and its such a shame that it had nothing to do with my initial point about Adventist Churches preaching Sunday from the pulpit. But I see your point. It just seems you are always hedging up my way when I post, either skirting the issue as you did in your last post, or coming back in violent backlash against me, then claiming it is me attacking you. Do yourself a favor, STOP!!