Australian Gitmo Detainee Sentenced To 8 Months Jail

[lazarus]

Just saw this!

The first three months of the new Democratic Congress have been neither terrible nor transcendent. A Pew poll had it about right: a substantial majority of the public remains happy the Democrats won in 2006, but neither Nancy Pelosi nor Harry Reid has dominated the public consciousness as Newt Gingrich did when the Republicans came to power in 1995. There is a reason for that. A much bigger story is unfolding: the epic collapse of the Bush Administration.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607243,00.html

[lazarus]

Not only is God not against Bush, the evidence is that he gained office both times through an act of God! To begin with, he won the electoral vote, not the popular vote and even that he won by about 500 votes in Florida. "Act of God" is written all over that. Then, with the war being unpopular and his approval ratings under 50% he became the first President ever to have won the electoral and lost the popular vote to be re-elected. "Act of God" in bold letters and big fonts is written all over that. Either he is one lucky guy or God was involved and most Christians don't believe in luck.

As of lately, the Iranian hostages have been released without incident and there word from the battle field that the surge is working. Sounds like things are headed in the right direction.

i think you just grabbed a whole warhouse full of straws there brother!

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The vast majority of critics of President Bush's faith make themselves into grand hypocrites as they expect Bush to conform, in every detail, to what their belief of a Christian is while if they looked in the mirror they would find they themselves are failing to live up to the same standard.

Where do you find evidence for such a wildly judgemental statement? Details would be Bible versions, shirt/tie wearing, vegetarianism/meat eating, types of Christian music, devotional time.

I'm intersted in stuff like justice, truth, love, peace, kindness, the lives of children, women etc.

I don't care whether Bush studies "7 times"!

There crisicism here is not about his faith but his ability as a President. He may be a devoted bible reader and wonderful prayer service leader but he has profound challenges in the area of leadership.

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The fact that Nebuchadnezzar needed to be chopped down is not evidence that he wasn't saved prior to that, rather it is evidence that he was loved by God. "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten" (Rev. 3:19)

If Bush says he is a believer in God and a deeply spiritual man I have no reason to doubt Him. I'm glad he's saved! These qualities do not translate into the abilty to lead the country, evidently.

[Gerr]

Not only is God not against Bush, the evidence is that he gained office both times through an act of God! To begin with, he won the electoral vote, not the popular vote and even that he won by about 500 votes in Florida. "Act of God" is written all over that. Then, with the war being unpopular and his approval ratings under 50% he became the first President ever to have won the electoral and lost the popular vote to be re-elected. "Act of God" in bold letters and big fonts is written all over that. Either he is one lucky guy or God was involved and most Christians don't believe in luck.

Now, you might be onto something here, Shane. I have been thinking about how the Gospel could ever lighten the world of Islam with the way things are. I am looking for something that will bring down the Islamic Curtain, just like the collapse of the Iron Curtain. I have been speculating if Gulf War I & II might just lead to that. We'll see.

Gerry

[Dr. Shane]

Time Magazine has become an idealogical journal with dwindling credibility. We discussed that here last year on this thread >>> Any Bias

The latest story in this left-wing periodical is based three events that they conclude constitute an "epic collapse". When in actually, all three combined are not more serious than the impeachment hearings that Clinton had to go through or the Iran-Contra scandal of Reagan's administration.

The folks at Time want to see some kind of "epic collapse" that simply isn't there. The article actually reads much more like some kind of fanatical opinion piece. Here is a sample: "it has been obvious that personal motives have skewed the President's judgment about the war. Saddam tried to kill his dad; his dad didn't try hard enough to kill Saddam." That is hardly objective reporting. How can anyone criticize FOXNews for bias and than uphold TIME Magazine as objective?

Let's take a look at their so-called epic collapse.

The Surge: The latest news is that commanders in the field are happy with the progress (as hard as that is for me to believe) Is surge working? US commanders hail fall in Baghdad killings

Walter Reed: This is a VA scandal which is pretty far removed from the Bush Administration. I would be interested in seeing a poll of how many Americans blame the President for this.

Firing of Eight U.S. Attorneys: Attorney General Gonzalez has been taking all the heat for this. The accusation isn't even that a law was broken but that the firings were politically motivated. Hardly anything to characterize as an epic collapse.

Again, another reason not to trust TIME. If someone wants to subscribe to a weekly news magazine, I prefer US News & World Report and then Newsweek. Time should be classified with other ideological magazines like National Review, World and American Spectator. Newsweek and US News & World Report are close to that but still bare some resemblance to an objective magazine. I like World's Christian perspective but it is ideologically conservative.

[Dr. Shane]

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There criticism here is not about his faith but his ability as a President.

If one reads through the threads here they will find mixed criticism. Some only criticize Bush's political policies. That is fair game. Others do in fact criticize his faith, based on their own beliefs which I don't know too many of us that live up to 100%. That is over the line. We can disagree with his politics without questioning his devotion to the Lord.

[lazarus]

How can anyone criticize FOXNews for bias and than uphold TIME Magazine as objective?

I'm not sure who said Time was objective. I certainly did not say so. Foxnews on the other hand.... Shane, from your previous post you believe them to be so. It is not just progressives who highlight the collapse of this Administrations fortunes.

I personally believe that the surge will have some short term benefits. Notice Patraeus' comments however "There is no military solution to a problem like that in Iraq, to the insurgency of Iraq," What part of the Bush stratergy addresses that issue.

He has no real solution. If you disagree tell me what it is. He's letting the clock run out. He doesn't want to be the one to pull out troops.

Attourneys: The Dems are doing the work of the opposition.

Walter Ried: Perception is everything in politics

[Dr. Shane]

I do not believe FOXNews to be objective. I believe they are fair and balanced. That is, they present both sides. They do not claim to be objective.

The solution in Iraq is to bring the new government to the point where it can stand by itself without American troops but with continued support of the US government.

[bevin]

Vietnamisation

/Bevin

[Dr. Shane]

South Vietnaum fell after the US withdrew its financial support. I think that was about two years after the soldiers were withdrawn. Iraq shouldn't need our financial support since they have their own oil revenue. However they are likely to need, or want, to purchase weapons from us and have industry consultants for things like energy, sanitation and agriculture.