Al Gore"s "An Inconvenient Truth"

[David Koot]

Nothing to do with my hot wife then?

Bravus!!!!!!!!! I am shocked!!!!!! On a Christian forum, no less???!!! Where are the censors when we need them? Edit, edit, edit!

[Woody]

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Nothing to do with my hot wife then?

This brings up another question ... Does having a Hot Wife reduce global warming?

[Bravus]

Proverbs 5:18 ...rejoice with the wife of thy youth.

[David Koot]

Here I was looking forward with great anticipation to an interesting discussion on the 'other thread,' the one about the pursuit of truth, and instead I find THIS kind of stuff! A commentary on priorities, indeed!

[David Koot]

Proverbs 5:18 ...rejoice with the wife of thy youth.

But the days of your youth, Bravus, are they not a bit in the past now? How about the sagacious middle-aged counselor?

[Bravus]

But she'll always be the wife of my youth, 'cos that's when we met and married. And if being the sagacious middle-aged counselor means I have to stop rejoicing with her, I'm afraid it's out of the question.

/me wanders off to blow on the coals of the truth thread

[David Koot]

But she'll always be the wife of my youth, 'cos that's when we met and married. And if being the sagacious middle-aged counselor means I have to stop rejoicing with her, I'm afraid it's out of the question.

[Amelia]

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Awwwwww, how sweet!

Bravus ALWAYS has wonderful things to say about his wifey and family. That he still has this view of their relationship is fantastic and one that everyone can learn from.

[David Koot]

Bravus ALWAYS has wonderful things to say about his wifey and family. That he still has this view of their relationship is fantastic and one that everyone can learn from.

Yes! He should be a poster boy for the Marriage Enrichment Seminars!

[Dr. Shane]

Strong families make for strong churches. I am so glad to see 3ABN run their "Heart to Heart" marriage programs. My wife and I get something out of them each time we watch them. We record them in Spanish and send them to her family in Central America.

I am a big supporter of Focus on the Family and I mean with $$$ not just lip service. They too do a wonderful work. We buy their books, videos and send them offerings.

More spouses need to brag about their spouses. We need to close our eyes to our spouse's defects and only focus on their assets.

I think it noteworthy in this thread, that Al Gore Jr. also has a fine relationship with his wife. Rumor has it that when Tipper got fat and Clinton made a comment about it to Gore, that it didn't go over well with him.

[Woody]

I wouldn't want to hear Clinton making ANY comment about my wife ... good or bad.

[olger]

:)

[Amelia]

Climbers becoming reluctant witnesses to global warming

04/07/2007

By JOHN HEILPRIN / Associated Press

Mountaineers are bringing back firsthand accounts of vanishing glaciers, melting ice routes, crumbling rock formations and flood-prone lakes where glaciers once rose.

The observations are transforming a growing number of alpine and ice climbers, some of whom have scientific training, into eyewitnesses of global warming. Increasingly, they are deciding not to leave it to scientists to tell the entire story.

"I personally have done a bunch of ice climbs around the world that no longer exist," said Yvon Chouinard, a renowned climber and surfer and founder of Patagonia, Inc., an outdoor clothing and gear company that champions the environment. "I mean, I was aghast at the change."

Chouinard pointed to recent trips where the ice had all but disappeared on the famous Diamond Couloir of 16,897-foot Mount Kenya, and snow was absent at low elevations on 4,409-foot Ben Nevis, Britain's highest peak, in the Highlands of northwest Scotland. He sees a role for climbers in debating climate change, even if their chronicles are unscientific.

"Most people don't care whether the ice goes or not, the kind of ice that we climb on and stuff," he said. But climbers' stories, he added, can "make it personal, instead of just scientists talking about it. Telling personal stories might hit home to some people."

Alpine climbers are worrying about the loss of classic routes and potential new lines up mountains that are melting, from the Cascades in the Pacific Northwest and the Alps in Europe to the Andes in South America and the Himalaya in Asia.

Their anecdotes often reflect what science is finding, but with stories and pictures from places where most scientists aren't able to reach.

"As climbers we see these places, we go all over the world," Mark Bowen, a climber and physicist who wrote a book on climate and mountains, told the American Alpine Club at its annual meeting last week in Bend.

"We're in touch with the natural world like few people are. We can see the changes better than most people can," he said.

Scientists and diplomats at an international conference in Belgium predicted on Friday that global warming would turn many glaciers to lakes and cause rock avalanches because of frozen ground melting up high. People living in mountain areas can expect more risk of floods by glacial lakes.

Already, Switzerland's Matterhorn had to be closed to some climbing at times because of recent summer rockfall attributed to global warming and its Great Aletsch Glacier — Europe's largest — has retreated a couple miles from its peak of 14 miles in length in 1860. The Swiss Alps' icy soil that glues its rock faces together is thawing, causing instability.

At Montana's Glacier National Park, glaciers are vanishing like the storied snows of Africa's Mount Kilimanjaro. In South America, the great ice fields of Patagonia in Argentina and Chile are shrinking; Bolivia hopes to keep its only ski area open by using artificial snow as the Chacaltaya Glacier fades.

The glacier from which Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay made their first ascent of 29,035-foot Mount Everest in 1953 has retreated so much that mountaineers now walk hours longer to reach it. A mile-long lake replaced the glacier at 20,305-foot Island Peak in Nepal's Everest region.

Japanese mountaineer and explorer Tomatsu Nakamura, editor of the Japanese Alpine News, said climbers are seeing more melting and less snow and ice in the mountains of the eastern Himalaya, Tibet and Bhutan, home to many of the highest unclimbed peaks in the world.

Since the 1940s, when geologist Maynard Miller began conducting research on Alaska's vast Juneau Icefield, he has seen how global warming has affected glaciers studied in the longest continuous research program of any icefield system.

"We're going to be in one heck of a mess, I can guarantee that. We have mucked up the world's climate," said Miller, who was part of the 1963 expedition that got the first Americans to the summit of Mount Everest.

"Everything is changing, minute after minute, nothing is the same," he said. "Glaciers are extraordinarily sensitive indicators of climate change."

[Gerr]

I don't know who said it, but there are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.

Gerry

[jasd]

>>...this one is a beauty.<<

It borrows from electrorheadynamics (in short, using the states of mercury as example: our common encounter with mercury is generally limited to that mostly found in thermal or light switches, thermometers, and sphygmometers. It is in a fluid state.

Depending upon the amount of charge that is introduced to fluid mercury... it will, correspondingly, become less fluid -- until (for practical purposes) it solidifies. Mercury can be made to change from one state to the other 22-thousand times per second)

>>What it does basically say, though, is that when all the science points the 'wrong' way, we can always go outside the science to 'mysterious undetected waves' to explain what's going on. <<

>>>...why is the earth losing its magnetic field density, and why is the process increasing (without seemingly being impacted by solar cycles or activity)?

...

Perhaps,

there are waves we cannot (for lack of the necessarily precise instruments) measure that are

stimulating sympathetic resonances, or…?<<<

I simply questioned... and if I possessed authority, that query might even be iconoclastic That aside,

the "mysterious undetected waves" 'argument' cannot be easily dismissed per the following...

Note: 'science', as advanced in the current global-warming debate, is simple consensus. That would imply 'science' to be on both sides of the mean -- even somewhat willy-nilly, as it were...

>>So it would be very sad if it ended up just being another party-political slanging match as an issue.<<

Sad, indeed -- however, the problem may transcend politics, economics, agendas, etc... and be a thing beyond the 'quick fix' or beyond any 'fix' at all..

>>It's not all a tale of doom and gloom, by any means.<<

That, then, requires one to reappraise Biblical prophecies -- as they regard our times.

[olger]

Algore eats quiche. That should settle his credibility with us!

as always,

olger

:)

[Dr. Shane]

I don't know about that. I ear vege-links.

[olger]

ear?

:)

[Dr. Shane]

Please see Stan's "Typo" thread.