skyblue888 Posted April 16, 2007 Author Posted April 16, 2007 This is exactly what that statement says! Any religion that teaches that good works have merits to earn eternal life is a false religion. The true religion, the only religion of the Bible teaches that there is salvation for us but only through the merits of Jesus Christ. Salvation includes justification, sanctification, and glorification, of course. Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Robert Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Salvation includes justification, sanctification, and glorification, of course. Which I already have "in Christ"! Read 1 Cor 1:30,31 and stop the legalism. Thanks, Robert Quote
Dr. Shane Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Yet, are the merits of Christ limited to our salvation? Is not the reason we cannot take glory for our good works, done in faith, because they are not actually our good works? "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." (John 15:5) Do we want to talk about creature merits vs. divine merits or just sweep the topic of creature merits under the rug in light of the fact that they cannot earn salvation? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Robert Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." (John 15:5) Nothing wrong with fruit. What is wrong is these individuals who are fruit inspectors and insist on their measure of works. Once they go there I always give them law, but it still doesn't shut them up! Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped [shut], and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin [singular - as in "bent to self"] Quote
Dr. Shane Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal." (Matthew 6:19-20) "Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. As it is written: "He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor; His righteousness endures forever." (2 Corinthians 9:6-9) "Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us." (1 Pet 2:12) "And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds." (Heb 10:24) "And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased." (Heb 13:16) We have heard the old adage concerning wealth, that we can't take it with us when we die. However the Christian knows, we can send it on ahead. Store up your treasure in heaven. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
LifeHiscost Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Originally Posted By: skyblue888 Salvation includes justification, sanctification, and glorification, of course. Which I already have "in Christ"! Thanks, Robert I believe I know where you're coming from, Robert, in your belief. However observing some of your recent posts it would seem you might feel somewhat uncomfortable claiming present glorification. Perhaps it might be clearer to the people who are interested in the "gospel" you preach if you were to state that you are "accounted" as glorified. "...they...shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead... Luke 20:35 KJV "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Luke 21:36 KJV "Ye, then, beloved, knowing before, take heed, lest, together with the error of the impious being led away, ye may fall from your own stedfastness" 2 Peter 3:17 YLT Regards!! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
LifeHiscost Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Yet, are the merits of Christ limited to our salvation? Is not the reason we cannot take glory for our good works, done in faith, because they are not actually our good works? "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." (John 15:5) "But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day." Proverbs 4:18 KJV Regards!! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Robert Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Perhaps it might be clearer to the people who are interested in the "gospel" you preach if you were to state that you are "accounted" as glorified. Col 1:3 For He [God] delivered us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus Quote
skyblue888 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 Originally Posted By: skyblue888 Salvation includes justification, sanctification, and glorification, of course. Which I already have "in Christ"! Read 1 Cor 1:30,31 and stop the legalism. Thanks, Robert The apostle Paul prayed that Christ may dwell in our hearts by faith that we might be filled with all the fullness of God! Eph.3:14-19. In Christ dwells all the fullness of God! Col.2:9. "Are we seeking for His fullness, ever pressing toward the mark set before us--the perfection of his character? When the Lord's people reach this mark, they will be sealed in their foreheads. Filled with the Spirit, they will be complete in Christ, and the recording angel will declare, 'It is finished.'" Review and Herald, June 10, 1902; 6 B.C.1118. "When we see Jesus as He is, earnest desires should awaken in our hearts to be rid of self, that we may filled with all the fullness of Christ. When this is our experience, we shall do good to one another, and use all the means within our reach to attain to godliness. We must cleanse our souls from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, and perfect holiness in the fear of God." Selected Messages, Vol.1,p.313. "In the strength of the Redeemer, weak, erring man can become more than conqueror over the evil that besets him." Selected Messages, Vol.1, p.310. But let us not forget that "No man can empty himself of self. We can only consent for Christ to accomplish the work." C.O.L.159. Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Quote: "Are we seeking for His fullness, ever pressing toward the mark set before us--the perfection of his character? When the Lord's people reach this mark, they will be sealed in their foreheads. Filled with the Spirit, they will be complete in Christ, and the recording angel will declare, 'It is finished.'" Review and Herald, June 10, 1902; 6 B.C.1118. Sky ... Don't you think it is only fair that you do as you require of others and disclose if the above Bible Commentary quote is from Ellen White or not? Isn't it only fair ??? If it is not then according to you ... we are not to believe it. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
skyblue888 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 If it is not from Ellen White, I will let you know! I never quote from uninspired sources anyway! :) Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Quote: Through the merits of Christ we may find the approval of God." I am having a hard time finding this quote which you claim is from Ellen White. Can you help me find it? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Shane Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Quote: When we see Jesus as He is, earnest desires should awaken in our hearts to be rid of self, that we may filled with all the fullness of Christ. When this is our experience, we shall do good to one another, and use all the means within our reach to attain to godliness. We must cleanse our souls from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, and perfect holiness in the fear of God." Selected Messages, Vol.1,p.313. [spoken in the voice of Sid {Lenny & Sid}] Now that's what I'm talkin' about. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Administrators Gail Posted April 17, 2007 Administrators Posted April 17, 2007 Why don't you guys just go online and get them? Vol.7A to the Commentary came out later as an addition Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
skyblue888 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 Quote: Through the merits of Christ we may find the approval of God." I am having a hard time finding this quote which you claim is from Ellen White. Can you help me find it? This statement is my signature and the reference is there for all to see!!! How could u miss it? hmmmmm Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 I am not familiar with this book. I can't find it. Who is the author? Who is the publisher? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Gail Posted April 17, 2007 Administrators Posted April 17, 2007 That was a EGW devotional. We have it listed as out of print and don't carry it anymore Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
skyblue888 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 You don't carry it anymore? Hmmm It's really too bad because it is probably the best devotinonal there is from Ellen White on the subjects of the merits of Christ! Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Administrators Gail Posted April 17, 2007 Administrators Posted April 17, 2007 As they have been reprinting the EGW devotionals, this one will probably have its turn, too. They've been giving them nicer, larger print and new covers Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
skyblue888 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 I had borrowed a copy of this book from a friend of mine who lives in Alberta. If it ever gets to be printed again, please let me know and I will order it! Thanks in advance! :) Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Administrators Gail Posted April 17, 2007 Administrators Posted April 17, 2007 Will do! I do enjoy uniting books with their owners! :) Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
skyblue888 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 Great! Thanks. I wish I could say that about a couple of people I have loaned books to! By the way, I like your emoticon! hahaha Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Administrators Gail Posted April 17, 2007 Administrators Posted April 17, 2007 My avatar? I LOVE that thing! I've thought a few times about whether I should change it but have never had the heart to do so There is just something I like about someone giving a gentle headrub (or backrub?) to comfort another :) Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
skyblue888 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 hahaha That's just like you Gail to want to do something like that! Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
LifeHiscost Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost Perhaps it might be clearer to the people who are interested in the "gospel" you preach if you were to state that you are "accounted" as glorified. Col 1:3 For He [God] delivered us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus I heard an analogy I find not doing violence to those scriptures you've quoted. A glove representing a person of this earth; dead, lifeless, without redeeming value. A hand, representing the Redeemer, enters the glove and makes the glove useful for many. What happens to the glove when the hand is withdrawn? Perhaps the Scripture below adds some meaning to the analogy. "Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a lamp, and put it under the bushel, but on the stand; and it shineth unto all that are in the house. Even so let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. " Matt 5:13-16 NKJV Jesus sees what we accept as future in His promises as effectively finished today, although they can be lost. "...and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" John 11:26 NASB Regards!! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
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