Religious Freedom: YES. Evangelism: NO! Freedom at last....

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Nowadays in USA the definition of 'FREEDOM'would probably much different than the definition of it in about 10 years ago or so, especially after 9/11/01. And it (the meaning of "Freedom") will be continuously changeable and adjustable according to the goverment in power.

Of course, this is not excluding freedom of our faith then. When the US government still protecting everybody's faith-believe and religion, but at the same time the government keep trying to limit the freedom of our missionary and evangelical works.

NOw listen folks...since the opportunity is still wide open upon us to spread the Gospel and to give the Final Warning to the land of freedom-USA freely, I think it is wise for us not to stay slumber and don't care; Yet we need to wake up, be alert, on fire and be active to win more souls to Christ just before the close of probation.

And please don't wait to the last minute before the Federal Government declaring the prohibition of evangelism/missionary or faith converting activities-so to speak then we just start to proclaiming the Three Angels' Messages to the Land of Freedom of USA...

...because the congress sooner or later will criminalize people or any religious group with their 'faith converting activities' and called them TERRORIST....believe it or not.

Though most of the US congresmen/women are "Christian", but their argument is that evangelism activities would always introducing their own faith by "attacking" or at least disdaining others beliefs, so that the target audiences could be easily converted to their own faith. This is only one of their basic arguments.

"JUST STAY and BE NICE WITH YOUR RELIGION AND WE AS YOUR GOVERNMENT WILL FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM. HOWEVER, DON'T EVEN THINK OF CONVERTING PEOPLE TO YOUR FAITH. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. THIS IS TERRORIST. THIS IS HURTING OUR UNIVERSAL WAY TO U.N.I.T.Y--AND THIS IS ATTACKING & DESTROYING THE BEAUTY OF [FAITH] DIVERSITY."

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http://www.newstarget.com/022465.html

What was the greatest failure of 2007? President Bush's "surge" in Iraq? The decline in the value of the US dollar? Subprime mortgages? No. The greatest failure of 2007 was the newly sworn in Democratic Congress.

The American people's attempt in November 2006 to rein in a rogue government, which has committed the US to costly military adventures while running roughshod over the US Constitution, failed. Replacing Republicans with Democrats in the House and Senate has made no difference.

The assault on the US Constitution by the Democratic Party is as determined as the assault by the Republicans. On October 23, 2007, the House passed a bill sponsored by California Democratic congresswoman Jane Harman, chairwoman of a Homeland Security subcommittee, that overturns the constitutionally guaranteed rights to free expression, association, and assembly....

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...The bill passed the House on a vote of 404-6.

In the Senate the bill is sponsored by Maine Republican Susan Collins and apparently faces no meaningful opposition.

Harman's bill is called the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. When HR 1955 becomes law, it will create a commission tasked with identifying extremist people, groups, and ideas. The commission will hold hearings around the country, taking testimony and compiling a list of dangerous people and beliefs. The bill will, in short, create massive terrorism in the United States. But the perpetrators of terrorism will not be Muslim terrorists; they will be government agents and fellow citizens.

We are beginning to see who will be the inmates of the detention centers being built in the US by Halliburton under government contract.

Who will be on the "extremist beliefs" list? The answer is: civil libertarians, critics of Israel, 9/11 skeptics, critics of the administration's wars and foreign policies, critics of the administration's use of kidnapping, rendition, torture and violation of the Geneva Conventions, and critics of the administration's spying on Americans. Anyone in the way of a powerful interest group--such as environmentalists opposing politically connected developers--is also a candidate for the list.

The "Extremist Beliefs Commission" is the mechanism for identifying Americans who pose "a threat to domestic security" and a threat of "homegrown terrorism" that "cannot be easily prevented through traditional federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts."

This bill is a boon for nasty people. That SOB who stole your girlfriend, that hussy who stole your boyfriend, the gun owner next door--just report them to Homeland Security as holders of extreme beliefs. Homeland Security needs suspects, so they are not going to check. Under the new regime, accusation is evidence. Moreover, "our" elected representatives will never admit that they voted for a bill and created an "Extremist Belief Commission" for which there is neither need nor constitutional basis.

That boss who harasses you for coming late to work--he's a good candidate to be reported; so is that minority employee that you can't fire for any normal reason. So is the husband of that good-looking woman you have been unable to seduce. Every kind of quarrel and jealousy can now be settled with a phone call to Homeland Security.

Soon Halliburton will be building more detention centers.

Americans are so far removed from the roots of their liberty that they just don't get it. Most Americans don't know what habeas corpus is or why it is important to them. But they know what they want, and Jane Harman has given them a new way to settle scores and to advance their own interests.

Even educated liberals believe that the US Constitution is a "living document" that can be changed to mean whatever it needs to mean in order to accommodate some new important cause, such as abortion and legal privileges for minorities and the handicapped. Today it is the "war on terror" that the Constitution must accommodate. Tomorrow it can be the war on whomever or whatever.

Think about it. More than six years ago the World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked. The US government blamed it on al Qaeda. The 9/11 Commission Report has been subjected to criticism by a large number of qualified people--including the commission's chairman and co-chairman.

Since 9/11 there have been no terrorist attacks in the US. The FBI has tried to orchestrate a few, but the "terrorist plots" never got beyond talk organized and led by FBI agents. There are no visible extremist groups other than the neoconservatives that control the government in Washington. But somehow the House of Representatives overwhelmingly sees a need to create a commission to take testimony and search out extremist views (outside of Washington, of course).

This search for extremist views comes after President Bush and the Justice (sic) Department declared that the President can ignore habeas corpus, ignore the Geneva Conventions, seize people without evidence, hold them indefinitely without presenting charges, torture them until they confess to some made up crime, and take over the government by declaring an emergency. Of course, none of these "patriotic" views are extremist.

The search for extremist views follows also the granting of contracts to Halliburton to build detention centers in the US. No member of Congress or the executive branch ever explained the need for the detention centers or who the detainees would be. Of course, there is nothing extremist about building detention centers in the US for undisclosed inmates.

Clearly the detention centers are not meant to just stand there empty. Thanks to 2007's greatest failure--the Democratic Congress--there is to be an "Extremist Beliefs Commission" to secure inmates for Bush's detention centers.

President Bush promises us that the wars he has launched will cause the "untamed fire of freedom" to "reach the darkest corners of our world." Meanwhile in America the fire of freedom has not only been tamed but also is being extinguished.

The light of liberty has gone out in the United States !!!

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Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/076152553X/counterpunchmaga

The Tyranny of Good Intentions. He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com

[Dr. Shane]

Americans will lose their Constitutional rights in the final days. This will be the time when Sunday laws are passed with the death decree. It is not something we should try to connect to 9/11, the War on Terror, the Patriot Act or other such thing. Alarmist Adventists have been trying to connect current events to the coming of the end for so long they sound like the boy crying wolf. I think it does our cause harm to do so.

[Neil D]

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[Dr. Shane]

I don't want to say current events have no connection to end time events. I think each current event is like a small piece to the end-time puzzle. The American Civil War and both world wars were also pieces to the same puzzle.

[fccool]

I agree with Shane on that, and unfortunately William Miller was one of those crying wolf... and as a result many take it that Adventism resulted from those who tried to cover up for Miller's mistake (if you take time to read criticism, which I think is fair... but again attacking straw man)

But at the same time there's a whole lot has happened in past century... and the changes are incredible. I find it ludicrous that people can't function without state issued ID, which was not the case 150 years ago for the most of the world. The family was the base and countries revolved around families. I think overall people are more and more depended on the global techno-cracy that is result of the past century. Some people don't even cook anymore. Turn off electricity and people are dying in cities. Bible is pretty specific that there is going to be a satan staged chaos through which he emerges as a "savior" and thus legalizes morality. But then again... it's just another conspiracy theory

[Woody]

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Alarmist Adventists have been trying to connect current events to the coming of the end for so long they sound like the boy crying wolf. I think it does our cause harm to do so.

Right on. Are any of you old enough to remeber the hype over the year 2000 doom prophecies.

I for one am not looking for when the Lord is coming. I really don't care when He decides to come. That is up to Him. For me and my house ... we will be ready NOW.

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Patriot acts + Suspicious only

So now, what happened if the police officers come knocking your door in the middle of a night to arrest you....without a letter from the court; can we sue the police?

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Quote:

For me and my house ... we will be ready NOW.

Getting to be the man of your house, eh? That's good. real good. I knew that Manly Man would be a positive influence for you.

oG