Stan Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 My experience is this... most of my friends who were followers of Ford in the early 80's have little or know spiritual life anymore.. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Moderators Gerr Posted April 7, 2008 Moderators Posted April 7, 2008 Ford was defrocked for insisting upon multiple fulfillments of one-time prophecies, according to Hans LaRondelle. Hans told me this in 1994. Venden said he ate lunch with Desmond Ford for two years and became convinced that there was something wrong with the man's theology, but couldn't put his finger on it right away. He said after two years it came to him - Ford was afraid of the judgement, and it colored his theology accordingly. Venden said this in June of 1992. At the same meeting, Venden also opposed Richard Fredericks who was an early fruit of Ford's theology. Fredericks continued his path out of the church into Sunday Worship. I like Richard & Sally (the wife & I had lunch with Sally once), but could not agree with his theology. oG I went to listen to Ford a couple of times that I remember. The last one was at the LLU church. During the question and answer period, I asked him this: Since not all who profess faith in Christ are saved, how will He separate them? My recollection of his answer was that Christ will have what amounts to a minijudgment on His way during His second coming. Venden may very well be right. But according to Daniel 7:22,26,27, it's only AFTER the judgment that the saints inherit a kingdom. IOW, no jugment, no kingdom! Gerry Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted April 7, 2008 Moderators Posted April 7, 2008 Interesting observation. Gerry Quote
fccool Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Are you saying that faith is believing what ain't so? Gerry No, faith is believing what you can't prove to be so. Quite different. Quote
Moderators John317 Posted April 7, 2008 Moderators Posted April 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo Are you saying that faith is believing what ain't so? Gerry No, faith is believing what you can't prove to be so. Quite different. It seems to me that "prove" (as in a lab demonstration) is the key here. It doesn't mean that faith is not supported by evidence and good reasons for belief and trust. It is like a child when it finds it's necessary to trust his father in a tough situation where his faith is being tested. He doesn't have scientific proof that his father will take care of him or do what he has promised, but the child has the past evidences that his father is trustworthy. I think it's somewhat the same in terms of our faith in God or in the Bible. They both have been proven to us to be worthy of our trust. So our Christian faith in God is not usually a "blind" or "irrational faith." In fact there are aspects of our faith that are quite logical. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators Gerr Posted April 7, 2008 Moderators Posted April 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo Are you saying that faith is believing what ain't so? Gerry No, faith is believing what you can't prove to be so. Quite different. IMO, you are partly correct. Faith has to have its feet firmly planted on evidence. IOW, you start with some basic facts, otherwise faith might as well be believing what ain't so. Then with these basic facts, you then step into the unknown which as you say can't be proven. So I agree with what John said about evidence. Gerry Quote
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