Moderators John317 Posted April 10, 2008 Moderators Posted April 10, 2008 http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib_cons.htm?o1=lib_composite&o2=desc National Journal Group Senate Composite Scores RELATED STORIES: Searchable Vote Ratings • How The Vote Ratings Are Calculated • Key Votes: Senate · House • PREVIOUS 2007 COVERAGE: Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007 In the following list, senators^ are ranked according to their overall composite liberal or conservative scores based on National Journal's 2007 vote ratings. To see all the liberal scores used to determine the liberal composite score, click here. To see all the conservative scores used to determine the composite conservative score, click here. You can sort the ratings from most or least liberal to conservative, and vice versa. How To Read These Ratings A score of 78 on the liberal scale, for example, means that the senator was more liberal than 78 percent of his or her Senate colleagues on key votes during 2007. "*" means the member missed more than half of the rated votes. "†" denotes members who are no longer in the Senate. In the event of a tie, scores are ordered alphabetically first by state delegation, then by individual members' names. About these ratings You are viewing this table sorted by composite liberal scores. Senator... has a composite liberal score of ___. has a composite conservative score of ___. Name Sort (alpha by surname) Liberal Score Sort Conservative Score Sort Obama, Barack, D-Ill. 95.5 4.5 Whitehouse, Sheldon, D-R.I. 94.3 5.7 Biden, Joseph, D-Del. 94.2 5.8 Sanders, Bernie, I-Vt. 93.7 6.3 Menendez, Robert, D-N.J. 92.8 7.2 Lautenberg, Frank, D-N.J. 91.7 8.3 Leahy, Patrick, D-Vt. 90.2 9.8 Boxer, Barbara, D-Calif. 89.8 10.2 Reid, Harry, D-Nev. 89.2 10.8 Feingold, Russell, D-Wis. 85.5 14.5 Harkin, Tom, D-Iowa 85.2 14.8 Murray, Patty, D-Wash. 84.5 15.5 Durbin, Richard, D-Ill. 83.8 16.2 Reed, Jack, D-R.I. 83.5 16.5 Schumer, Charles, D-N.Y. 83 17 Stabenow, Debbie, D-Mich. 82.8 17.2 Clinton, Hillary Rodham, D-N.Y. 82.8 17.2 Cantwell, Maria, D-Wash. 80.5 19.5 Cardin, Ben, D-Md. 80.2 19.8 Kerry, John, D-Mass. 79.5 20.5 Klobuchar, Amy, D-Minn. 77.3 22.7 Kohl, Herb, D-Wis. 77.3 22.7 Dodd, Christopher, D-Conn..... John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators Bravus Posted April 10, 2008 Moderators Posted April 10, 2008 ...and this relates to Origins how? Truth is important
Moderators John317 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Moderators Posted April 10, 2008 Hey thanks very much. I'll be moving very directly. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators Bravus Posted April 10, 2008 Moderators Posted April 10, 2008 No worries, it's a service we provide. Kinda makes me laugh that 'liberal' is an insult in America. Truth is important
Neil D Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Quote: How To Read These RatingsA score of 78 on the liberal scale, for example, means that the senator was more liberal than 78 percent of his or her Senate colleagues on key votes during 2007. "*" means the member missed more than half of the rated votes. "†" denotes members who are no longer in the Senate. In the event of a tie, scores are ordered alphabetically first by state delegation, then by individual members' names. [scratches head] More liberal than what? Liberal in what way? What's the standard? I guess I just don't understand how they determine that a senator is liberal when an issue comes up for voting, you can either say "yea' or 'nay' or abstain.... Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Woody Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Thank you John for posting this. We need to carefully consider this before voting this liberal candidate into the highest office of the land. We now have an opportunity to get a moderate who will work with both sides. Why go for a liberal. We've had plenty of partisan politics with one side or the other. Let's bring the country together. We don't need either extreme ... but particularly not a 'liberal'. And an extreme one at that. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Bravus Posted April 10, 2008 Moderators Posted April 10, 2008 ...and McCain is not an extreme hawk? Gimme a break! Truth is important
Woody Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 I think that McCain's votes show that he is the most liberal of the Republicans. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Bravus Posted April 10, 2008 Moderators Posted April 10, 2008 http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/06/carroll-mccain-is-no-liberal/ Truth is important
Woody Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Pure Propaganda. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Bravus Posted April 10, 2008 Moderators Posted April 10, 2008 ...or, you know, exactly the same kind of voting record analysis that yielded the rating for Obama that started this thread... Truth is important
olger Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Ben Stein for president and.. Jesse Ventura as V.P. "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Moderators Bravus Posted April 10, 2008 Moderators Posted April 10, 2008 The brain and 'The Body'! Truth is important
olger Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Good one! olger "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Neil D Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Pure Propaganda. A Rocky Mountain News editorial, published the day the joint operating agreement was approved, spoke to readers much as William Byers did almost 142 years earlier: "Too many myths have been floating around since the Rocky Mountain News and The Denver Post announced last May their desire to form a joint operating agreement," the News wrote. "Now that Attorney General Janet Reno has approved the JOA, we're here to smother one of those myths in its nest. "There will be no loss of independence on the editorial side. Not one speck. "This newspaper was an independent and unfettered voice when founded 141 years ago. It remains such a voice today. And thanks to the JOA, it is not going to be muted for many, many years to come . . ." Neither newspaper nor owner enjoys a financial advantage as a result of the JOA. Scripps and MediaNews each receive 50 percent of the JOA's profits. Seems to me that there is at least one independent paper in the State of Colorado ...Propaganda? nah....just independent. Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators John317 Posted April 11, 2008 Author Moderators Posted April 11, 2008 Yes, I wonder why so many want to deny that Obama is a very, perhaps even the most, liberal Senator. Could it be that people realize that if Americans know this and understand it to be the case, he won't win? When it comes to Obama's liberalism, would anyone deny that his voting record and his positions are more liberal than most other Democrats in the Senate? If Obama is not the most liberal Senator, who is more liberal than he is? It's a well known fact that he represents a very liberal precinct in Illinois. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators Bravus Posted April 11, 2008 Moderators Posted April 11, 2008 Again, the idea that 'liberal' is an insult makes me laugh. Check out the dictionary definition: lib·er·al –adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs. 2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform. 3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism. 4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. 5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers. 6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies. 7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners. 8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc. 9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor. 10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation. 11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule. 12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts. 13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman. –noun 14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion. 15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain. Truth is important
Woody Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Bravus ... you of all people know that dictionaries are not accepted here on CA. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators John317 Posted April 11, 2008 Author Moderators Posted April 11, 2008 Again, the idea that 'liberal' is an insult makes me laugh. Check out the dictionary definition: lib·er·al –adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs. 2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform. 3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism. 4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. 5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers. 6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies. 7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners. 8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc. 9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor. 10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation. 11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule. 12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts. 13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman. –noun 14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion. 15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain. The meaning of liberalism and conservatism changes from nation to nation. It doesn't mean the same thing here as it does in Europe or in Australia. Some of the things in your list describe people's views on both sides of the conservative/liberal isle. And of course, there are various degrees of conservatism and liberalism. There is the far right and the very far left. The left here in the US want government regulation, even ownership, welfare and socialism. They favor progressive taxes and redistribution of wealth. They are basically hostile towards the capitalistic system and favor the worker over the business or the owners. Those on the right, on the other hand, want no income taxes and they want to see the government out of their lives completely and out of the business of regulating things, such as prices and wages. They want to see the borders secured and strict constructionist understanding of the U. S. Constitution in the courts. Ron Paul represents some of these. By the way, both the far right and the far left agree that we should get out of Iraq. The best way to get an understanding of American conservatives is to read books by, or listen to, people such as William F. Buckley, William Bennett, Newt Gingrich, Russell Kirk, David Horowitz, Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh, Berry Goldwater, Ann Coulter, Peggy Noonan, and Ronald Reagan. Check out the following. It will give you a better idea of what an American conservative believes and how they are different from liberals. You can't really grasp this by studying a dictionary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_conservatism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators Bravus Posted April 11, 2008 Moderators Posted April 11, 2008 "...but do you recall The most liberal senator of all..." Truth is important
olger Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 It logically follows that a nation which legislates minimum wage would come to legislate maximum wage (heavy taxes on upper & middle class). olger "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Woody Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Kerry used to be ... but Obama has replaced him. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
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