Nuts & Beans

[Dr. Shane]

Adventists are known for eating more nuts and beans than the general population. Well.. how about you?

[carolaa]

Are you counting peanuts as nuts? For beans, do you include all legumes, such as lentils and peanuts? I eat peanut butter every day, so wasn't sure where to include it.

[Dr. Shane]

Peanuts are generally considered nuts even though they are technically legumes. The healthful benefits they offer are more comparable to nuts than beans.

Lentils definitely fall into the "bean" category. As do soy beans, garbanzo beans, and other various types of legumes

[Dr. Shane]

We eat pancakes for breakfast about three times each week. Sometimes more often. I mix up a batch of batter and keep it in a sealed Tupperware® bowl and we eat pancakes for breakfast until the batter runs out. I often toss a handful of crushed walnuts into the batter and sometimes even a little milled flaxseed.

[Brutha Bouregard]

Ah recently was invited to a friends house and we had waffles with peaches and whipped cream...They were wonderful...Waffles were made from pinto beans and flour...Wonderful slight nutty taste and reasuringly healthy....

And ah agree we must follow the health message of Sista White and improve on our choices....

[carolaa]

I always add wheat germ to our pancakes. My family can't tolerate whole wheat yet, but they never notice the wheat germ.

[Beryl]

Hi, Brother,

I thought that even people from the south actually SPELLED their words right, even though they pronounced them differently. Am I correct? Or are you making out to be someone that you are not?

Just thought there were a few things that did not ring true.

Beryl

[Tallmark]

I don't think soy is good for you. It's a genetically modified food, and it seems that there are a lot of problems associated with long term intake. I stay away from it. I use "Rice Milk" on my oatmeal in the morning.

[Nan]

I don't think soy is good for you. It's a genetically modified food, and it seems that there are a lot of problems associated with long term intake. I stay away from it. I use "Rice Milk" on my oatmeal in the morning.

How can you be sure all soy is genetically modified?

Some things suit some people, other things suit others - there are some things where we need to work out what is best for ourselves.

For the record, I do not use much of soy products.

[Nightingale]

Sixty+ years ago my parents adopted a baby boy . At the age of 3 he began to have what the Dr diagnosed as asthma. It was very severe. The pediatrition at Paradise Valley Hospital in San Diego told my parents to take him off of milk and milk products. They began to use a "new" product called Soylac. It was terrible for me at the time.! I was around 8 years old. Later we did get used to it and my parents have not used dairy products since. My brother now in his 60s has not had a problem with asthma. My father is now 93 and in good health for his age.

The soy used in "Silk Soy" is organic and not genetically engineered per the box.

Soy may not be good for everyone, but has been widely used in the orient for many years and I havent heard that they have

problems with long term intake.

[phkrause]

It takes time to get used to anything. I have been drinking Silk or 8th Continent soymilk for a quite a few years now. Now whenever I look at milk or see it I can't believe that I ever drank the stuff. But like anything else not everybody can eat everything. There are people that can't eat certain vegetable's or fruits, that doesn't make those things no good. And I have to agree that soy is not genetically engineered, its a natural food and in the legume family. And also one of the things that God has given us to eat.

pkrause

[Dr. Shane]

Soy is really a magic bean. We can make plastic, oil, ink, candles, crayons, cleaning products, bio-diesel, paint, milk and many kinds of food from it. Compared to animal-based foods soy comes out on top as it has fiber, protein, vitamin E, Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats, helps reduce high blood pressure and may reduce the risk of some cancers.

[phkrause]

And also the body handles the calcium better from soy than milk.

pkrause

[nuff sed]

If you drink Soymilk and there is a COSTCO in your area you can buy their Kirkland (House Brand) for just over $1.00 a quart if you purchase it in the carton of ten quarts. It is Organic. It comes in either Unflavored or Vanilla. Unopened cartons not need to be refrigerated. They also carry the 1/2 gallon cartons at a higher price per ounce. The half gallon size must be refrigerated.

[John317]

Have you ever read a book called, "Back To Eden," by Jethro Klaus? He explains in it how you could grow your own soy beans and make everything with them from ice cream to milk. He has dozens of recipes of ways to use soy beans. It's a very remarkable food source.

[Tallmark]

Soy is used in the orient, but more like a garnish than a meal.

Cow's milk is the real evil. Whatever problems there may be with soy, cow's milk is 100 fold. Nightingale's post says what many health professionals (not doctors, they're disease professionals) have been saying for decades.

It's strange to me that SDA's call themselves vegetarians, yet consume milk, cheese, and ice cream. Then they wonder why they get breast and prostrate cancers, and asthma.

It's even more strange to me that we've had this wonderful health message for about 150 years, yet I've never heard a doctor tell his/her patient to stop consuming meat or dairy.

[Dr. Shane]

There are three kinds of vegetarians:

Lacto-ovo: vegetarian who does not eat beef, pork, poultry, fish, shellfish or animal flesh of any kind, but is willing to consume cheese, butter, yogurt and eggs. Lacto- means "milk" and ovo- means "egg".

Vegan: vegetarian who does not eat any animal product of any kind which the exception of honey for some. Properly planned vegan diets are healthful and have been found to completely satisfy nutritional needs in every stage of life, including during pregnancy and lactation. However, poorly planned vegan diets can be low in levels of calcium, iodine, vitamin B12 and vitamin D.

Semi-vegetarian: One who excludes some meat (particularly red meat) from the diet while still consuming limited amounts of poultry, fish, and/or seafood.

[nuff sed]

IMO there is not such thing as a Semi-Vegetarian just because he/she does not eat red meat. You either are or you aren't.

If you are you are either Lacto-Ovo or Vegan.

[Dr. Shane]

Semi-vegetarians are just as real as lacto-ovo vegetarians. One only needs to google the words to find the truth behind that statement. The health message is progressive and there is no one "right" path. People are different. What is most healthy for one person is not most healthy for every person. I think a narrow definition of vegetarianism creates an exclusiveness that turns more people away than it draws in.

[Nightingale]

Its actually very easy to get enough calcium and protein using no dairy or flesh-food of any kind.

One cup of nonfat milk contains 300 mg. of calcium and 8 grams of protein.

One cup of brocoli contains 178 mg of calcium and 6 grams of protein.

One half cup of tofu contains 253 mg of calcium and 10 grams of protein.

All kinds of greens are high in calcium. white beans contain 161 mg of calcium/cup and 17 grams of protein.

Many kinds of soymilk are fortified with B12. Nutritional yeast which many vegans use in cooking contains B12.

There are many cookbooks available that give good ideas for making sure you get all the necessary nutrients. One of my favorites is "The Optimal Diet" The official CHIP

cookbook.

[Tallmark]

I know a guy who is a semi-smoker. He only smokes half a pack a day. He's married to a semi-vegetarian. They have 2.5 kids. One is a semi-SDA, and one is almost pregnant!

[Dr. Shane]

I guess it is worth saying again.

Quote:

I think a narrow definition of vegetarianism creates an exclusiveness that turns more people away than it draws in.

Our goal is to draw in others. That means, encourage others to join our ranks. When we look down our noses at others in the spirit of self-righteousness more people will be turned off by our shallow self-image.

When I first became a vegetarian I went vegan. I went all the way. Of course I wanted everyone around me to be vegan too. The words "Live And Let Live" had little meaning to me. I thought it was a terrible thing that our church's potlucks were not all vegan. I was convinced the church had sold its soul for pizza. Well this came to an end when I got married. My wife grew up eating cheese, milk and eggs and soon had me eating them too. This lasted nearly ten years.

As I studied health reform more and more I learned of the benefits of fish in the diet. I also learned of the value of whole grains, fiber and reducing sugar and fat. Our family made a change to virtually eliminate all animal fat. We only use fat-free cheese and other dairy products. We use mostly soy milk, giving preference to Silk's high fiber. We bake our own sweets using sugar substitute and whole grains such as oatmeal, whole wheat flour, soy flour and flax seed. Our largest source of fat comes from nuts, nut butters, avocados and similar foods. Our staple foods are beans and brown rice. My wife and I both lost 35lbs and following this diet, have been able to keep it off.

Now I know there is a large class of vegetarians in the Adventist church that look down their noses at the likes of my wife and I. (Some are larger than others) They sit back eating their high-fat, sugar-saturated vegetarian diet and talk about how sinful the church has become. They point their fat digits at folks like me and call us "semi-SDA" and proclaim we are "almost pregnant." But lucky for us, God is our judge and not the self-righteous Adventists with a superficial appearance of sainthood.

God has given me a zeal for health reform. I often go out to business lunches and when those I am going with ask where I would like to go I never hesitate to tell them I am a semi-vegetarian that eats fish. (Living in a largely Catholic area, most people here do not consider fish to be meat anyway.) This almost always opens up a dialog about diet and health in which I am able to share things about the importance of fiber, dangers of fat as well as our need for water, exercise and enough sleep.

The fact is that the high-fat cheese than many Adventist vegetarians eat without any pings of conscience is more harmful to their health than a serving of baked fish. So I will let my hypocritical Adventist friends pile on the cheese while I stay with my baked fish. Thank you very much.

[nuff sed]

One of the gems gleaned from my 19-day stay at the Lifestyle Center of American in Sulphur, Oklahoma was the need for vegetarians to include Vitamin B-12 in their diets. The doctor impressed upon us that the most the body is able to use is 3-5 mcg. His suggestion was to buy a bottle of Twin Labs 50 Mcg. tablets, crush them, stick your finger in the bottle, place whatever sticks to your finger under your tongue. B-12 must be mixed with saliva in order to be absorbed, according to him. I just bite off a little bit of the tablet at a time. Cost me $2500 for that info........you get it for free..

[Suzanne Sutton]

Thanks Shane for your reply here...It says it all. I too have had to back off somewhat in my expectations of our people. My heart's desire is for our SDA members to understand and live the health message and reap the many benefits it offers. For me that's the bottom line...that we have healthy body temples in order to serve the Lord in an acceptable manner.

We have to remember how long it took some of us to get it right and really embrace the total health message. We simply must have patience with our fellow members and encourage them in whatever way we can. I love the health message and want to see others benefiting from it too.

And we use soy milk made from soy beans that are organically grown, which means they are NOT genetically altered. Unaltered soy beans have also been used in the Asian countries for centuries with excellent results.

Let us continue to rise higher as we serve the Lord in spirit and in truth.

Suzanne

[Gail]

Thank you for your comments, Suzanne and Shane.

Here is another dimension: Because of a medication I'm taking at the moment, I've learned what it is to gain weight (I've always been underweight and able to eat ANYTHING).

I now know what a struggle it is for some folks. I am doing what I think best, to increase my output while being more careful with my intake, soemthing I've never had to do before, but wouldn't you know it my weight is still creeping upward at a rate of about 1 lb per week.

You just never know what the other person has to deal with! This experience is an eye-opener to me!