Dr. Shane Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 Has PG-13 Become The New R? A father writes, “I’m a dad who tries hard to be intentional in my viewing habits and I encourage my 12-year-old daughter to do the same. We enjoy 1 or 2 movies a week together at home and visit the box office another 2 to 3 times a month. If it were not for the Dove Family Friendly Seal I would have to preview every movie first since the PG13 rating is no longer an accurate tool for judging a film’s ‘kid-friendliness’ [emphasis mine]. Thanks… we have never been disappointed by any of the films that have your approval!” There is plenty of evidence to reinforce that father’s concern about whether PG-13 movies are kid friendly. Harvard School of Public Health released a study in 2004 in which they coined the term “ratings creep” to describe their contention that many R-rated movies from a few years earlier would be rated PG-13 today. Here’s how I believe this phenomenon materialized. In 2001, the Federal Trade Commission found that the movie studios were advertising R-rated films in magazines and other media that are popular with teenagers and adolescents. The concern was that the studios were enticing kids to spend their money on “naughty” or explicit movies that were supposedly restricted to adults only. The FTC threatened to bring charges of deceptive advertising and regulate the movie ratings if studios didn't cease promoting R-rated fare to minors. Soon after the FTC issued their threat, the studios pledged to limit their advertising of “Restricted” movies to more adult venues. At the same time, NATO (National Association of Theater Owners) members agreed to be more diligent in requiring proof of ID from attendees of R-rated movies. The FTC thought that their stern warning in 2001 was all that was needed to rectify the situation. However, as anyone with an ounce of discernment can see, many filmmakers have merely snipped a few frames from movies that were bound for an R-rating to get them under the wire of PG-13. This strategy began a sweeping movement in Hollywood which “pushed the envelope” and expanded the boundaries of PG-13 to include content that was once referred to by industry insiders as "soft R." And even now, plenty of kids are getting into see R-rated movies. Just this week, the Federal Trade Commission reported that “only 40% of children between ages 13 and 17 are able to purchase a movie ticket to an R-rated movie.” What’s so alarming about this pronouncement is that the FTC considers the fact that 40% of our young people gaining unfettered access to extremely sexy or violent movies good news! Here are Dove’s reviews of two recent PG-13 movies – “The Dark Knight” by Universal Pictures and “Swing Vote” released under the Touchstone Label by Disney. I think it’s reasonable to assume that 10 years ago these films would have been rated “R” due to offensive language. Columbia Pictures’ “Step Brothers” which contained very similar strong content justly received the R-rating it deserved. Not long ago, I was interviewed by the Hollywood Reporter on Stars Network along with the head of the movie Classifications and Ratings board. (The people who decide the movie ratings.) The interview is an eye-opening comparison and contrast between Dove’s standards which do not change and those of the MPAA which do. We’ve been tracking the industry numbers for many years. These charts document a dramatic shift in numbers of movie releases from R to PG-13. The charts show that the number of G movies released has remained constant over the past 19 years at 4% of the total. PG movies have jumped by nearly 1/3 (from 16% to 21%). which reflects an increasing number of family-friendly movie releases. The big news is the noticeable migration away from R-rated films (from 52% to 35%) and a proportionate increase in PG-13 (from 28% to 40%). This transition is partly due to “ratings creep.” This is only part of the story. In the next issue, I will present a STUDIO REPORT CARD, in which we will reveal how many movies in each category were produced by each major studio, and how that impacted box office revenues. Stay tuned! [text taken from link] Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Moderators Bravus Posted August 18, 2008 Moderators Posted August 18, 2008 I'm not sure the simple comparison of numbers of movies in each category is compelling evidence - there are lots of factors there. But I agree that in general standards are changing - and suggest that the ratings agencies are mirroring, rather than causing, a more general social change. In Australia I think we have one more category than you guys: G, PG, M, MA15 and R That actually works pretty well - it seems to me there's a big gap in the US system between PG-13 and R. Something like The Dark Knight fits fairly well in the MA15 (people under 15 have to be accompanied by an adult) category. While some of the things the Dove people identify make me laugh (or cringe) - things like seeing a yin-yang symbol for a couple of seconds - I do rely on their service to get a good sense of the content of movies, in a much finer-grained way than the rating system allows. Quote Truth is important
Amelia Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 Ok, I'm stumped. What's wrong with the yin yang symbol? Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted August 18, 2008 Moderators Posted August 18, 2008 I'm even more stumped than that. What IS the yin-yang symbol? [i've heard that word used in a vulgar expression... but I don't know its symbol.] Quote Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional....
Moderators Bravus Posted August 18, 2008 Moderators Posted August 18, 2008 It's the Korean (?) symbol for balance. I'll see if I can dig up an example: I was just a bit bemused to see it listed on the Dove site as one of the issues of concern with the movie Kung Fu Panda. I guess their grounds is that it arises from a religious tradition other than Christianity, but objecting to that just seems a little over the top to me. Not that I think the Dove guys are over the top, so much, but that they know their constituency and know that some Christians would be upset if there was such a thing in the movie and they didn't alert them to it. Quote Truth is important
Moderators Bravus Posted August 18, 2008 Moderators Posted August 18, 2008 I'm also kind of oddly happy each time they mention 'cleavage' under the 'nudity' heading... but maybe that's just me. Quote Truth is important
Moderators Bravus Posted August 18, 2008 Moderators Posted August 18, 2008 Not because I'm anticipating the cleavage, I hasten to add... just because it seems quaintly cute Quote Truth is important
cricket Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 Parents should be aware of the content of all films that their children see. I have found inappropriate content in G rated films. Of course, that was waaaay back when; when I was truly concerned that society was evil, that all moives should be shunned, no television in our homes, no plays, no cards, no cooking on Sabbath, no video games, et cetera. To quote my daughter from just two days ago, "Thank God Dad finally allowed us to play video games and watch television. If it weren't for him I wouldn't have any friends!" I am happy to report, by the way, that my kids are doing just fine--and both of them are in that 40% who have seen rated R movies. For us, it's all about the yin-yang! Learning how to be Christians in a world where not everyone is a Christian; being able to recognize what is good and what is bad and to not run around like a chicken with its head cut off every time we see something that is not wholly family oriented. You've got to be able to relate to the people if you want to reach the people. And I've yet to meet anyone who actually wants a "goody two-shoes" at their doorstep preaching to them. Quote
olger Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 While I understand your premise here, that we should be wise about the world, I am reminded of Paul's injunction that we be ignorant of evil and wise about righteousness (Roman 16:19). Purchasing from the empty wagon of Hollywood does just the opposite of Paul's counsel - making us wise about evil. Television and movies tend to desensitize a person to pain. That is a lonely legacy to leave our children, each generation being less and less compassionate. No shots were fired, oG Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted August 18, 2008 Moderators Posted August 18, 2008 I agree, Olger. But back to that yin-yang symbol. And the Dove website. Could somebody please tell me how to find the Dove website? Thanks. Quote Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional....
cricket Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 Ever wonder what we'd compare righteousness to if we didn't have evil lurking around? There is a time and a season for everything. Some of the best discussions we've had in our home revolved around the problems we see in the media. If we did not educate ourselves on the realistic things going on in our world, we'd be desentised to reality, and unable to cope realistically to the ever present problems. Simply not knowing often makes Christians look absolutely ridiculous when trying to 'combat' the 'evils' in this world. Quote
Moderators Bravus Posted August 18, 2008 Moderators Posted August 18, 2008 The original article Shane posted is from there, and the link at the top of his post will take you there. It's a great resource. Quote Truth is important
Amelia Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Quote: Could somebody please tell me how to find the Dove website? http://www.dove.org/ Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Robert Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 I know for a fact that PG-13 movies now can have at least one "F" word .... That's use to be in R ratings. What's next nudity in PG-13? Well, the bottom line is, sex & violence sells and Hollywood is out to make money by any means necessary. Quote
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted August 19, 2008 Administrators Posted August 19, 2008 I know for a fact that PG-13 movies now can have at least one "F" word .... That's use to be in R ratings. What's next nudity in PG-13?... As a matter of fact, yes. There can be partial or brief nudity in PG-13. It's a bit difficult to know where the line is. There can also be rather clear sexual situations and activity, and substantial violence, blood and gore. It seems only a rather slim degree of difference in quantity, duration or intensity and some vague difference in context. Tom Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
olger Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Simply not knowing often makes Christians look absolutely ridiculous when trying to 'combat' the 'evils' in this world. Yes, that's what Eve thought... oG Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted August 20, 2008 Administrators Posted August 20, 2008 Originally Posted By: cricket Simply not knowing often makes Christians look absolutely ridiculous when trying to 'combat' the 'evils' in this world. Yes, that's what Eve thought... oG With all due respect, that is a ridiculous response... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Neil D Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Originally Posted By: olger Yes' date=' that's what Eve thought... oG [/quote'] With all due respect, that is a ridiculous response... Totally agree....How could Eve know what evil looked like when she had never experienced it before...? Boggles the mind sometimes....Which, I will admit, ain't hard for me... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
olger Posted August 21, 2008 Posted August 21, 2008 Olger thanks Tom for his lucid response and sends him a Stalkers for Dummies handbook. Then he goes back to pickin his guitar. oG Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Dr. Shane Posted August 21, 2008 Author Posted August 21, 2008 Eve knew what evil looked like because God told her. The problem started when she stopped trusting God. And today, that is where the problem still starts. Not much as changed. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Cosmin M. Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 Scary... But I only watch movies from 2008 and less that are funny. But nowadays, comedy movies are plain stupid and not funny at all. Quote
guibox Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 I disagree with the OP in that PG-13 is the old 'R'. I would probably say that movies that are '14A' today would have been rated 'R' in my younger days. The rating system is not only ridiculous but overcrowded. Really...we have G PG PG-13 M R 18A NC-17 ??? The line is usually blurred for the last three and kids nowadays can get into 'R' movies like nothing. When I was younger it was: G PG M (which actually came a bit later) R If you were under 18, it didn't matter if you had the President with you, you couldn't get into to see the movie. If you were under 14, you had to have a parent accompany you to a 'M' movie. Today, the ratings can't be trusted worth a hoot. Movies that should never have gotten an 'R' rating simply for some violence, did, while other movies with nudity, gratuitous coarse language and sexual scenes get '14A' ratings. ?? I just don't get it. Quote www.corbel.theacaistory.com
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