Woody Posted September 6, 2008 Author Posted September 6, 2008 Originally Posted By: Redwood ...But what is offensive to one is not to another. The bottom line is that if it offends someone ... then it should be stopped and an apology made... ...And the easily offended take control by taking offense at anything with which they disagree or at the point they need an excuse to derail the conversation that isn't going so well to their interests or point of view. Let's just end all our posts with an automatic apology to cover our bases... Sorry to have offended anyone, Tom Not sure I agree with the tone of this post by my friend Tom. But it does bring up a good concern. But, I think that my post to which this comment was referring to is still valid to some degree but perhaps not always. Yes, there are some unreasonable whiners. But perhaps if in doubt you could post the name calling name that was used and ask the rest of us. On second thought .... send it to me ... I don't trust the others from ancient history. But I do trust myself. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Amelia Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Quote: simply because one man's (and, sadly, it's almost always men) abuse is another man's 'straight truthtelling' or whatever. Why is it 99.9% of the time, men? Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Stan Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Women are near perfect... ranking alphabetically of course Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Moderators John317 Posted September 7, 2008 Moderators Posted September 7, 2008 I think it's because of the differences between the male and female brain and the resulting hormonal differences. Females are far more into other peoples feelings and tend to be protective and nurturing. Males, by contrast, are more into control and imposing their will. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
there buster Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Quote: One Country's terrorist is another Country's freedom fighter. That is essentially a postmodern position: There are no absolutes (absolutely!), and if there are, we cannot know them. And if it is actually the truth, or a reflection of actual reality, or however it can be verified (an extremely difficult proposition from a postmodern perspective), then there is no point in having church doctrines, or church discipline, or any rules of any kind. Since every one sees everything differently, no disputes can ever be resolved. Treason is a matter of dates, and embezzlement is a disagreement over accounting techniques. That's one of many reasons that postmodernism is ultimately nihilistic, and self-defeating. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell
Neil D Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 I suspect it's not a workable idea, engaging as it is in the abstract, simply because one man's (and, sadly, it's almost always men) abuse is another man's 'straight truthtelling' or whatever. There is no universal standard for what counts as an abusive post, and everyone tends to be right in his own eyes (including me). There's really no substitute for maturity, and for each of us being accountable to himself for what is posted. For thinking twice or three times, especially if we know we're taking on someone's cherished beliefs. Neil, much as I agree with you on many things and enjoy your contribution, I have to say I disagree on the 'Ichy' thing. I have always maintained that respect breeds respect and vice versa. Even if it's sometimes the tough thing to do, modeling the behaviour you would like to see is always the right thing to do, and most times also the most effective thing. I see a lot of give and take here....Combined, we are influenced by the good virtues that we attempt to express...IOWs, most of us are here to communicate and express our ideas. Sure, we are amazed by some of what some say here. And we argue with them. Yes, it is ok to disagree, even get spirited at times....There is nothing wrong with the exchanging of ideas....even good nature redicule...[now there's an oxymoron, but it happens!] But for me, to take this type of action is to consistantly see posts that have double meanings, one meaning less agressive than the other, and when clarification is ask for, the response is "I never meant it like that. Where do you get that from?"...It is always the recievers' fault for misinterpreting the origionator of the post. If it happens once in a while, that is one thing....but when it continues to happen, I get a bit testy, admitedly. I have seen some powerful people in church use this tactic, and the church has allowed it to continue and the results are always the same...the abuser continues to abuse and use the same tactics. His behavior is rewarded as people are bullied into submission and then avoid him. The people say things like, "we need to model proper behavior for him." "Oh he doesn't mean it." or " He's so good at other areas.We need him." Each of these excuses are classic examples of platitudes that make no sense. "Model proper behavior?" The man is an adult. In this case, he is also a teacher AND a principal. He KNOWS what is good behavior!!! And he means every word he says....He is also an author. He has NO EXCUSE. Our church has been browbeaten by strong willed individuals, so much so that I have to ask, at what point do we need to stand up for ourselves? At what point, are we going to say, I refuse to be held hostage for your bad behavior, when you can obviously display good behavior. In a community like this, responsiblity for discipline has been given to the users [looking over at Stan and raising the eyebrow for commformation?]. In a community such as this, when is the community to collectively come to the bully and say, "We have modeled proper behavior and it is time for you to come up to our standards."? If the bully will not toe the line, at what point does members of the community take disciplinary action? ...and in what form..? My shortening Ed's handle to Ichy is a result of his behavior.It was explained that why at the begining..And there has been absolutely NO consequences to his past behavior, nor any indication that he is willing to express remorse over any part of the communication. If he shows any sort of willingness to say that he is sorry for misbehaving or poor communication skills or SOMETHING along those lines, I am MORE than willing to drop the shortened handle....Believe me when I say that I am not exactly 'thrilled' to be using it...But given my options as to what I can use for discipline, I chooose something with some humor....better that than with rancor. There is not a parent here who is not willing to discipline a child when he/she is out of control. If we have an adult bully, at what point do we stand up to him and say, "enough"? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Neil D Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Females are far more into other peoples feelings and tend to be protective and nurturing. Males, by contrast, are more into control and imposing their will. You're right about women, too. I think. Suck up!!!!!! Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators John317 Posted September 7, 2008 Moderators Posted September 7, 2008 What is that about? Suck up for what? Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Neil D Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 What is that about? Suck up for what? your comment came right after this one..... "Women are near perfect... ranking alphabetically of course" Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators John317 Posted September 7, 2008 Moderators Posted September 7, 2008 OH ok. I didn't understand. I meant something different by my comment but that's all right. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Neil D Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Just teasing you....and it was worth it.... That's ok...Redwood said something a while back, and I got suckered into a misunderstanding....some consturnation was spread around,...I felt a bit foolish...Oh well... [going to the reading lab-bor-it-tory and perusing Redwood's threads for something to get even by...muahahahahhahaha] Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators John317 Posted September 7, 2008 Moderators Posted September 7, 2008 Oh yeah I know what you're talking about. LOL. That was something all right. Glad it ended fast. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Woody Posted September 7, 2008 Author Posted September 7, 2008 Just teasing you....and it was worth it.... That's ok...Redwood said something a while back, and I got suckered into a misunderstanding....some consturnation was spread around,...I felt a bit foolish...Oh well... [going to the reading lab-bor-it-tory and perusing Redwood's threads for something to get even by...muahahahahhahaha] Excuse my ignorance Neil. But what are you referring to? My poppy growing? To change the subject ... if you are concerned about discipline regarding Ed. All he has to do is to stop by where you are the moderator and you can ban him from the entire Forum for 30 days. According to the rules that Stan has outlined. Just imagine!!! Have fun .... And by the way ... why would I ever "snucker" you. You is my friend. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Neil D Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Quote: And by the way ... why would I ever "snucker" you. You is my friend. I didn't say that you "snuckered" me, I said that you said something and **I** got suckered into thinking something... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators John317 Posted September 8, 2008 Moderators Posted September 8, 2008 And for absolutely no reason, I might add. It's called jumping to wild conclusions with no basis whatever. It's what happens when people make assumptions because of rumors or whatever. Not a good thing to do. But it was all cleared up fairly fast, so it could have been far worse. As it is, it was just a little lesson learned, hopefully. No bad feelings about it. Just made the day kinda interesting, is one way to look at it. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
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