Canidates campaignes Obama vs McCain

[John317]

Originally Posted By: Shane

Well, I don't live in a swing state. A vote for Ron Paul or for any other third party is simply like not voting at all. If one is torn between voting for one of the two candidates or voting for a third party. I would suggest voting for the least of the two evils - McCain or Obama. If they view both McCain and Obama as being equally bad then I would suggest they go ahead and vote for a third party.

But, say, a person wasn't planning to vote at all because they are disgusted with both major parties - if they would go out and vote for a third party, that would help to make a statement.

I can certainly understand Shane's point, but my heart tells me that we should vote only for those we really want to be President. So if you don't like either major candidate, I would favor someone's voting for either Ron Paul or Ralph Nadar or some other candidate. Otherwise, we could end up with someone being picked simply because people don't believe the candidate of their choice could win; whereas he might win if everyone votes the way they really feel or believe.

I would vote for Ron Paul or Ralph Nadar if either of those guys were close to what I believe in. Of the two candidates right now, though, the one closest to my views on the majority of issues of importance to me is McCain.

I am not in favor of Obama's economic policy, his views on abortion, or his views on Iraq. I am troubled by his being in error on pulling out American troops out of Iraq at a time that would have caused Americans to lose everything we fought for when McCain's decision to support the surge was obviously the right one. Even Obama has said the surge was "successful beyond his wildest dreams." I am also bothered by the people Obama has chosen to have around him-- seems like they are all far to the left, and this does not seem to me to support his message that he is a uniter. Too many of his "friends" have been anti-American. I don't see him hanging out with people who think well of America and put America first.

I definitely am put off by the fact that Obama is the most liberal member of the US Senate and has campaigned for socialist candidates-- the first presidential candidate of a major party to have ever done that.

And I find it astonishing that Obama would evidently think that after only about 130 days in the US Senate, he is ready to run for the highest office in the land and fill the shoes of people like Abraham Lincoln, Washington, FDR, Truman, etc. It would be different, perhaps, if Obama was a great or outstanding Senator, but even his supporters in Congress are hard put to find anything that he did in the Senate which makes him an obvious choice for President of the United States.

It seems that people just like him. But is that enough?

[jasd]

QR frame:

Well, Palin is the only Pol at present who reflects Reaganesque thinking. Hopefully, McCain wins - that Palin may be further groomed in conservative politics.

'bama said he would give over 90% of American taxpayers a tax break. Well, more than 40% do not pay taxes; so, what kind of tax break will they be receiving? Freebies. Who pays for freebies?

We have enough coal to last us for centuries. 70% of the gas for Hitler's war machine was derived from coal. That was, what? technology from 70 years ago. South Africa perfected the same technology decades ago. We also have entire mountain ranges consisting of oil shale - as has Canada.

Then, there is nuclear energy and hydroeclectricity, and... So, why are we so energy-starved?

It's those greedy business-type Republicans!! Ya'think?

So, we were chugging along with a fare-thee-well until the elections of '06 - after which everything began to unravel. Wha'happened in the elections of '06?

Anyway, where's all that plug-in energy gonna come from - for the hybrid this and the anti-gravity that, along with all those other techy-wishy-want-rice-cookers-on-wheels that we envision filling our highways? We oughta think up a way tah tap into global warming instead - aluminum balloons in warming updrafts and other stuff from weirdsville...

Fact is, we've spent decades and tens of billion$ of dollar$ searching for the sort of energy that the opposition party promises us come next January '09. For practical purposes - it's still all on paper or, mebbe, at area 51 :-O

[/bustin' y'all's chops]

[Neil D]

Someone else recommended this short intermission...I recommend it as well....

http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm

[jasd]

Intermission: an opportune time for jasd to 'let go' and ask...

RE: Politics

Pro/Con? Right/Left? Liberal/Conservative? Bring it on and argue here.

"Bring it on and argue here."

What's THAT!?

Nowhere do I find in the above: "Bring on the snarky M's tone; the screaming fonts; the buttinsky attitude of the ubernoisy..." etc.

What's with a proffered Tee-ball or a soft lob that seems to have so unhinged the screamers? I mean, I've been here on CA for nigh-on three years and notice that a lister might go on for three years with the constant gripe re all things America(n) - and the Tee-ball or a soft lob unhinges the scurrilous?

What's THAT!?

[/still smilin']

[carolaa]

Well, I don't live in a swing state.

Are you sure about that? I heard the Democrats were making big strides in Texas. But maybe I heard it from a Democrat... can't remember.

[Dr. Shane]

Just do a google on "electoral map" and it should show you which states are swing states.

[Woody]

With all the mud and campaigning with lies and misrepresentations of both sides ... it reminds me that it is already far too late to be deciding who you would support.

What I am saying is that if you listen to what the candidates are saying ... you are a fool. Both candidates are saying what they think will get them elected.

The best although not fool proof method is to study and decide which PARTY best stands for your values. Then vote party line for those in that party. Most candidates vote with their party. I would say that McCain is the biggest break from that theory. He is almost a democrat. But on the Obama side. He is clearly partisan. He is the most liberal voting senator in the Senate.

So, do you want an extremist or one who works with both sides? That would be the best question to ask in this election in addition to whether you are a Democrat or Republican?

Personally I think the need is for compromise not extremism. Extremism at this point with the nation so divided will not work nor last.

[carolaa]

I doubt I will vote for either one of them, because neither is going in the direction I want the country to go with regard to foreign affairs. If we can't get that right, then I don't think it matters who wins.

The rest of the world is not stupid. Russia, South America, the Middle East, Pakistan, China, etc. - they know the U.S. is heading for collapse and they are biding their time like vultures waiting for the empire to end. Our allies are getting fewer and fewer.