olger Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 THE FOLLOWING EMAIL IS BEING FORWARDED AS A PUBLIC SERVICE OF AUSTIN RARE COINS AND BULLION ************************************************************************ Wednesday, September 24, 2008 Dear Friends, Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike. The events of the past week are no exception. The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress' throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! "This is welfare for the rich," he said. "This is socialism for the rich. It's bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters." That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we're being told it's unavoidable. The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess! . The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us. . Financial institutions are "designated as financial agents of the Government." This is the New Deal to end all New Deals. . Then there's this: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process. There goes your country. Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this "sadly necessary." Sad, yes. Necessary? Don't make me laugh. Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we're supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they're not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really. Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we'll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity. The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care? When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media? Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be. In liberty, Ron Paul Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
carolaa Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 Yup. And it all sounds so familiar - the urgency, the blank check, the fear factor. Maybe, just maybe, people are beginning to catch on. Did anyone hear Elizabeth Dole's comments in the committee? She was MAD. And she's a Republican. Quote
Amelia Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 Quote: THE FOLLOWING EMAIL IS BEING FORWARDED AS A PUBLIC SERVICE OF AUSTIN RARE COINS AND BULLION So what were they selling? Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Moderators Bravus Posted September 24, 2008 Moderators Posted September 24, 2008 Hehe - so cynical in one so young. But yeah, bullion (gold) is typically seen as a port in the storm of market messes. They're absolutely right, though: this is an issue that has united people across party lines like no other. Republicans hate it because it's socialist nationalisation of industry, Democrats hate it because it's a net transfer of wealth from the middle class to the very wealthy. And everyone recognises that it's completely unjust, and rips up the Constitution to amn unprecedented extent (and that's saying something in this decade). Quote Truth is important
Neil D Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 And Ron Paul's answer is .......? [shuggs] "Let 'em fall, and see who stands after the crisis is over" ? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators Bravus Posted September 25, 2008 Moderators Posted September 25, 2008 There are quite a few people saying that, but it's a response that betrays significant ignorance of how the modern financial world works. It's fantasty to think that Wall Street falls over and the rest of the economy just blithely continues on its way. Just one of the issues is a complete lock-up of debt. Many companies roll over debt on a regular basis to function. If they can't do that, they fail, and their workforces are out on the street. If those who say 'let 'em fall' had their way you'd be looking at 20-30% unemployment and a crisis far worse than the Great Depression. Quote Truth is important
Amelia Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 Did anyone listen to the prez talk to the nation tonight? Thoughts? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26871338/ Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Neil D Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 But what type of crisis? Sure, Wall street locks up the debt, and no one is able to borrow money....what results would happen from that? ...the farmer who can not borrow money for seeds to grow food..? Is that happening any more? What other problems can occur? Less TV programs? movies??? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators Bravus Posted September 25, 2008 Moderators Posted September 25, 2008 As I said, lots and lots and lots of everyday businesses in all sectors of the economy just suddenly stop being able to pay their bills and their employees and shut their doors. How many work on farms, vs work in other industries? (I'm talking about service industries as well as manufacturing) There are lots of arguments to be made around the bailout, how it's structured, how much it needs to be, who runs it and who overseas it. But something does need to be done, because the economy is *badly* broken and basically unsustainable at this point. Quote Truth is important
Neil D Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 Quote: nd basically unsustainable at this point. And what would one expect to see as this fails.... Yeah, I get the idea that the administration is screaming help....and I see other banking firms up on the action block.....but I don't see it affecting me....yet... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
carolaa Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 The only ones who would not be greatly affected are those who do not need jobs and who do not need loans - I think. Quote
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