McCain Admits He Screwed Up

[Tom Wetmore]

Do you want a screw up for Prez? :smile:

[Stan]

To me, I would rather the president be one who can admit he makes mistakes...

[Woody]

Yeah. You are right Stan.

I would also point out the shocking statement about the economy. He said that he didn't know enough about the economy. Now when was the last time you heard a politician say something like that.

Truth .... McCain knows much more about the economy than Obama. Just look at all the experience of McCain. Then look at Obama. Yet, McCain will admit that he needs to surround himself with the most knowledgeable people possible to help him with the economy.

I like the truthfullness that I hear from McCain. It is so refreshing.

Okay ... you Demos will tell me ... Oh Yeah ... But what about McCain last night telling an audience that he had fired his entire staff and put Joe Wurzelbacher AKA 'Joe the plumber' in charge. But folks ... That was what we Republicans call a joke.

[Tom Wetmore]

The screw up with Letterman, the silliness over the mythical Joe the Plummer, the Palin Pick, the helter skelter game of dodge ball on the economy, false and dangerously inflammatory terroist rhetoric about Obama etc., etc., etc. confirms his military experience - he is a pilot... but one that flys by the seat of his pants and ends up getting shot down as a result...

Despite the POW/Veteran halo effect he wasn't really very good as a pilot and only had about 20 hours of actual combat experience before he got shot down. And did you know that before that, as a navy pilot he had lost 4 other navy aircraft! That is 5 navy jets lost! The first 2 were clearly pilot error, the third suggested serious pilot misjudgments, the fourth was a freak accident before take off on the carrier which was clearly not McCain's fault and the 4th was how he ended up a POW. Three crashes before even being put in combat seems extra-ordinary that he was even allowed to fly again. Being an Admiral's son no doubt helped...

Mishaps Mark McCain's Record as Naval Aviator

[Woody]

I am listening to Sarah right now. And I can't tell you how many times she is referring to Joe The Plumber.

She is talking about 'spread the wealth' and how Joe the Plumber thinks that sounds like socialism.

Talking about 'screwing up'. I think Obama screwed up by missing the mark with Joe the Plumber.

[Stan]

It is interesting to watch from 'out of the country'

MaCain can say all kinds of things, good answers.. bad answers.. indifferent...

but then he throws in "I love my Country' and it seems like the viewers go soft /warm/ cuddly and go

aweeee he "loves his Country" so I love him..

I know people who love God's Church, but they were horrible leaders.. (IMHO)

[Woody]

I think that is because Mr. and Mrs. Obama have both been hesitant to say they love their country. SO, it has become an issue.

[Dr. Shane]

Despite the POW/Veteran halo effect he wasn't really very good as a pilot and only had about 20 hours of actual combat experience before he got shot down. And did you know that before that, as a navy pilot he had lost 4 other navy aircraft! That is 5 navy jets lost! The first 2 were clearly pilot error, the third suggested serious pilot misjudgments, the fourth was a freak accident before take off on the carrier which was clearly not McCain's fault and the 4th was how he ended up a POW. Three crashes before even being put in combat seems extra-ordinary that he was even allowed to fly again. Being an Admiral's son no doubt helped...

Can we all say it together and slowly?

SWIFTBOAT ATTACK

McCain retired from the Navy after 22 years as a captain. That is the same rank as a full-bird corneal in the Army. He was the commander of the Navy's largest air fleet.

[Tom Wetmore]

So whenever the truth hurts you cry "SWIFTBOAT"...

Go back and look up the definition, Shane.

This is a legit LA Times investigative article that reports accurate information about McCain. That is the antithesis of Swiftboating, and you know it!

You are so predictable, Shane... Your Red Republican underwear is showing again...

[Neil D]

Can we all say it together and slowly?

SWIFTBOAT ATTACK

McCain retired from the Navy after 22 years as a captain. That is the same rank as a full-bird corneal in the Army. He was the commander of the Navy's largest air fleet.

Can we say-

No, it ain't!!!!!

:Swiftboat attacks", as you like to call them, are where you attack with untruths. When the swiftboaters attacked, those of us who did some digging found out that the Swiftboaters

1] formerly supported Kerry,

2] made up suggestions that Kerry didn't deserve the medals the US goverment gave him

3] outright lied about Kerry's record

4] Ate thier own [see #2]

5] Violated thier oaths to leave no one behind.

The true story of McCain is coming out and he is another George Bush. If you need an idea of what George was like, go see the movie "W "....

[olger]

To me, I would rather the president be one who can admit he makes mistakes...

Concurrence.

[Bravus]

Aye, 'cos we can see how well working with one who can't think of any mistakes he has made has worked...

But seriously, I have to agree: admitting that he made a mistake makes me think better of McCain, not worse.

[Woody]

Quote:

"If you need an idea of what George was like, go see the movie "W "...."

Boy. Ya just gotta love HIS news sources.

[Dr. Shane]

The Swiftboat Veterans for Truth focused on part of John Kerry's life that happened decades before he ran for President and even if it were true was completely irrelevant. The same is true for John McCain's pre-POW military career. John has stated that before he was a POW he was completely self-centered and arrogant. He claims that being a POW changed the way he completely views the world. So digging up stories about his pre-POW service is pretty much a swift-boat attack. And the worst part is, with Obama so far ahead in the polls his supporters should feel so desperate that they stoop to such desperate measures as launching swiftboat attacks.

[Bravus]

You should read the recent Rolling Stone story on McCain, no matter what you think of it as a journalistic source, if you buy the story that his POW experience was McCain's Damascus road.

[Jeannieb43]

You should read the recent Rolling Stone story on McCain, no matter what you think of it as a journalistic source, if you buy the story that his POW experience was McCain's Damascus road.

I agree, Bravus. I have that story. (I thought I had posted a link to it somewhere here, but maybe not.) It's quite revealing.

[Woody]

If you want 'revealing' ... then we need to reveal all about Rev.Wright. And that would be juicy.

[Tom Wetmore]

Here is the link - Make-Believe Maverick

[Tom Wetmore]

Aye, 'cos we can see how well working with one who can't think of any mistakes he has made has worked...

But seriously, I have to agree: admitting that he made a mistake makes me think better of McCain, not worse.

As a general principle I agree that, freely and willingly admitting one's mistakes and offering a sincere apology is indeed a virtue.

BUT that is not what I witnessed in McCain's appearance on Letterman. I am not qualified to psychoanalyze McCain's performance, but I saw a man who was cornered and insincere in admitting he "screwed up". And for those who ran Clinton through the wringer over his apology, McCain never apologized to Letterman, never even hinted at being sorry for stiffing Letterman at the last minute for a more politically expedient opportunity to be on the CBS Evening News. And Letterman backed him into a corner and called him out on what he did. His nervous laughing "I screwed up" repeated twice seemed more for comedic performance affect while they were joking around about it. In contrast, McCain prefaced serious points by saying "seriously" or words to that effect and had a serious tone and demeanor. I did not read his body language, and demeanor as that of a sincerely apologetic man.

The bottom line was that he did it for nothing more than political reasons. His dissing of Letterman cost him political points and he was trying to cover his political posterior. I would be willing to go out on a limb hear and suggest that the tiny post debate bump was more a result of his Letterman appearance the next night, and its ensuing prolific coverage, than from his debate performance. The immediate post debate polling results do not correlate with a standing bump. But it is consistent with a late night talk show or SNL appearance. All of the candidates now very well that it is to their political advantage to appear on any of the talk shows and Saturday Night Live. Being a no show for that benefit was the screw up politically, and not that he was a rude no show guest that left the host scrambling to get any warm body to fill air time.

But given the Rolling Stones article about him, none of this should be at all surprising. He will do whatever it takes politically to be the Commander in Chief...

Tom

[Woody]

Quote:

Shane... Your Red Republican underwear is showing again...

Don't knock RED. RED is GOOD.

RED

[Dr. Shane]

...if you buy the story that his POW experience was McCain's Damascus road.

I have not heard McCain describe it as a "Damascus road" experience. Few people have a "Damascus road" experience. I never have. Most of the time when our lives change they change little by little but their are milestones in the road we can look bad that pushed us in the better direction. McCain admits that his biggest morale failing was the failure of his first marriage. That came after his POW experience. So being a POW didn't completely transform him but it changed the way he viewed the world and his life.

[Neil D]

McCain today said that his Robo-phone advertisments are a legitament campaign tactic. The phone advertisments are urging voters to consider "the close relationship between Obama and Ayers". When called upon it, McCain refered to the 2000 campaign and said that these robo phone ads were in response to that....

.....who is McCain kidding? The 2000 campaign was him and Bush fighting...not the dems....Are we seeing signs of dementia?