Unethical deal ends column, credibility

[Rosie]

LOL Neil,

He's not there because of me.

Jeannie, I found a few sites on the subject, I even found a local group to join:

http://www.impeach-bush-now.org/

http://www.impeachbush.tv/

http://libertyandjusticeforall.info/Impe...&OVMTC=standard

[Rosie]

Sorry to take this off topic, but this is a pretty interesting read:

http://www.impeachbush.tv/el2004/

We live in a town that still fills in their ballot by hand, we don't even have the punch type machines.

I've heard a lot on controversy that the exit polls and the votes from these places that used electronic systems didn't match at all.

[Neil D]

[:"blue"] Interesting read...Concidering Bushes many offenses from this website.... [/]

George W. Bush's impeachable offenses include but is not limited to:

1. Trying to suspend the constitutional Writ of Habeas Corpus;

2. Ramming the totalitarian U.S.A. Patriot Act through Congress;

3. The mass-round-up and incarceration of foreigners;

4. Kangaroo courts;

5. Depriving at least two United States citizens of their constitutional rights by means of military incarceration;

6. Interference with the constitutional right of defendants in criminal cases to lawyers;

7. Violating and subverting the Posse Comitatus Act;

8. Unlawful and unreasonable searches and seizures;

9. Violating the First Amendments rights of the free exercise of religion, freedom of speech, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government for redress of grievances;

10. Packing the federal judiciary with hand-picked judges belonging to the totalitarian Federalist Society and undermining the judicial independence of the Constitution's Article III federal court system;

11. Violating the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions and the U.S. War Crimes Act;

12. Violating the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination;

13. Reinstitution of the infamous "Cointelpro" Program;

14. Violating the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Convention against Torture, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights;

15. Instituting the totalitarian Total Information Awareness Program;

16. Establishing a totalitarian Northern Military Command for the United States of America itself.

[:"blue"] My only comment is this...If sucessful, the presidency would go to the vice president....would you really want Chenny as president???? [/]

[Dr. Shane]

The problem with this whole issue is the lack of full disclosure. It has become clear that these respective departments were paying these columnists without the President's knowledge and expenditures without the President's knowledge have been common place in past administrations. However the ethical problem isn't about whether the President knew or not. The ethical problem is really on the part of the columnists that took money without disclosure.

Air America is an example of this same problem on the Left. Air America has not been able to successfully sell advertising and become profitable so it is funded by donations. It is a way for the far-left Liberals to get their message out. Nothing is wrong with that except that there is no full disclosure. The public doesn't know who is funding Air America.

PBS and NPR are examples of the government funding the a liberal bias in the press. Again, no problem with this because there is full disclosure. PBS and NPR make public all their sources of funding (and often ask for more).

[Neil D]

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Air America is an example of this same problem on the Left. Air America has not been able to successfully sell advertising and become profitable so it is funded by donations. It is a way for the far-left Liberals to get their message out. Nothing is wrong with that except that there is no full disclosure. The public doesn't know who is funding Air America.

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Where is the documentation that Air America is living on donations?

Seems that since it has grown to include many stations, and bought not a few, that donations alone are unable to keep the Air America growing as it has been. In fact, my sources tell me that Air America is making a profit and can only do so because it is trouncing the market against conservatives hands down. In fact, against many conservatives, ie Limbaugh, Hannity ect, Air American is whoopin' these lame talking heads to no end. And they are worried...That is why they are talking trash against Air America.

Better listen to the new left, Shane. They have a better heart and make better sense than the rightys could anyday...

[Dr. Shane]

I listen to a few minutes of Limbaugh and Hannity each week as I am surfing the radio dial. I also listen to a few mintues of NPR. Christian radio is my choice in programming.

I have gotten information about Air America off from links on the Drudge Report. (The Drudge Report is mostly links to other news sources) If you were unaware that Air America was living on donations I guess you have been limiting your sources of information. There are a number of groups that are pushing Air America for full disclosure. The ratings in New York (a liberal Meca) during this past presidencial campaign were dismal. It doesn't appear they have a profitable future near. But don't feel bad, The Weekly Standard is a conservative journal and it has never made a profit. Political extreame media outlets like Air America and The Weekly Standard are not really in business to make a profit.

[Neil D]

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I have gotten information about Air America off from links on the Drudge Report. (The Drudge Report is mostly links to other news sources)

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Does the Drudge Report tell of O'Reilly's donated market share? Yes, that is correct...A "large share" of O'Reilly radio market is donated/paid for by a conservative company....Gee, isn't he the one YOU claim is a "moderate"??? Isn't O'Reilly supported by Fox news, the mouth piece for the Republican party? No wonder his salary is paid for by donated republican sources as in a free market, he couldn't stand up to Air America....

But then, Drudge, another conservative/republican source wouldn't tell you that either, would they?

[bevin]

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It has become clear that these respective departments were paying these columnists without the President's knowledge and expenditures without the President's knowledge have been common place in past administrations.

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ROFLOL - can you say "plausible deniability".

This administration has set a new record for lying to the American public. It is a complete corporate culture for them. It has been Bush'es modus operandi ever since he started and ran for Gov of Texas - his campaign then was full of blatant lies and he has never stopped this style.

/Bevin

[Dr. Shane]

Brother Neil, It really does seem your information sources are limited. Matt Drudge and Bill O'Reilly hate each other. Well, maybe hate is too strong of a word, but maybe not. Anytime there is any bad news for O'Reilly, Drudge is reporting it and O'Reilly is blasting him for his inaccuracies. If your news sources were balanced you should know that.

Again, let me make clear; IMO there is nothing wrong with a news commentator or network taking money from the government or private sector if there is full disclosure.

I have never claimed O'Reilly to be a moderate. He is more moderate than Limbaugh or Hannity, no doubt, but he is conservative or "traditional" as he likes to call himself. I have claimed Jim Bohannon is a moderate.

If you surf over to the Drudge Report (make sure you have a pop-up blocker on) often you will find Drudge posts everything that is critical of the Republican party too. He is on the cutting edge of political news. Sometimes he is too much on the edge and the leads turn out to be misleading.