HOW LONG?

[laslo]

"I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved. “Habakkuk 2:1

“The word of the LORD came unto me, saying,Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;

Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.” Ezekiel 33:1-5

“As it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.” Luke 17:26

The Days of Noah and the The Three Angels' Messages

God told His servant Noah about the coming judgment and destruction of the wicked and the earth as He did our pioneers.

Noah warned the people of his day and preached righteousness by faith, as is also our commission.

“And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;” 2 Peter 2:5

"Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith." Habakkuk 2:4

In Noah’s day the Lord ordained a divine period of probation for sinful man:

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Genesis 6:3

Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of thy waterspouts: all thy waves and thy billows are gone over me. Psalm 42:7

"The ‘certain saint’ of Daniel 8:13 is Palmoni- the Wonderful Numberer - our Lord " ‘Messiah in His Sanctuary’, lesson 32, by F.C. Gilbert www.gospelherald.com

“And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be." Genesis 15:5

"Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:13,14

Our Lord spoke directly to the prophet. Gabriel evidently raised the question for Daniel’s benefit. ibid

It was by those revealed numbers that our pioneers were enlightened as to the time of the 'cleansing of the Sanctuary'.

(So) teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. Psalm 90:12

Palmoni spoke directly to Daniel a second time...

"Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground." Daniel 10:9

And again He spoke to him about a number of days and what shall befall his people in the latter days:

"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia,

Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.” Daniel 10:13,14

For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry. Habakkuk 2:3,

The vision that Palmoni speaks of to Daniel is the vision of the war between the ram & the he goat from chapter 8...

“And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.” Daniel 8:5,6

Gabriel explained to Daniel that…

"The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia." Daniel 8:20

"Iraq (Irq Ajam )is more or less identical with ancient Media" Encyclopedia Brittanica

Iraq is the first horn of the ram; Iran (Persia), which is where Daniel had the visions, is the second horn which 'came up last'.

"And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king." Daniel 8:21

Greece, ancient cradle of democracy, governmental model to the United States of America

War With Iran Might Be Closer Than You Think The American Conservative, May 9, 2008, by Philip Giraldi

Iranian president declares his country a space and nuclear power Russian News and Information Agency, 13/ 03/ 2009

1888 not only marked he date of the Third Angel's message 'in verity', but also the date of the founding of the Persian cult of magic in America known as the 'Golden Dawn'- the 'grandaddy of all secret societies.

Many who cannot be attracted by the allurements of pleasure, are ensnared by the teachings of "science falsely so-called." These are led to extol human reason, above divine revelation; to exalt nature, and forget the God of nature. Is there no magic, no sorcery, going on around us? {The Signs of the Times , May 18, 1882, paragraph 24}

"Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the well favoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.

Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame." Nahum3:4,5

One hundred and twenty years from the Day of Atonement 1888 ended on September 11, 2008, also a notable date in 'scientific' history as being the launch of CERN - the recreation of the 'big bang'-man's attempt at playing God, which will result in the destruction of the earth.

"Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come." Daniel10:20

“Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate.”Isaiah 6:11

And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. Daniel 12:6,7

And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. Habakkuk 2:2

[laslo]

The commencement of that time of trouble," here mentioned, does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the "latter rain," or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come, to give power to the loud voice of the third angel, and prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out." {Mar 170.1,2}

I am speaking something now that interests every

Seventh-day Adventist."

by A.T. Jones

1901 General Conference Bulletin

"The day is coming when every Seventh-day Adventist in the United States would give everything he has, and his own life almost, if he could be outside the United States . Let me say that again. I am speaking something now that interests every Seventh-day Adventist. The day is coming and is not far off, when every Seventh-day Adventist will wish to the depths of his soul that he were out of the United States : and multitudes will condemn themselves, and will fret themselves under the condemnation, that they did not go out of the United States when they had the chance. You know that this sign is given us. "When our country shall repudiate every principal of it's Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time for the marvelous working of Satan is at hand."

[Woody]

All promises and prophecies are conditional. Perhaps since this said it was "not far off" ... the time has passed. And we in the US are safe. ???

[laslo]

Jone's statement would refer to the time that persucution in the U.S. will be worse than the inquisitional days of yore when bloodlust will exceed the bounds heretofore known...

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1

That period is upon us as the 120 year period of probation is ending.

[Neil D]

That period is upon us as the 120 year period of probation is ending.

Ooooooh, wow...another prophecy to help the end of the world.....

Look guys...I don't want to put cold water on your "end of the world" scenerio and I am also looking for the 2nd coming as much as the next Adventist....but if we don't stop with the 'signs of the times' stuff [and by this, picture a man with a flowing beard, in a robe with the sign that says "End of the world is upon us"], we will be discounted to even greater miniscule-ness than we already are....

[laslo]

Read the post before you scorn it Neil.

God Bless,

Laslo

[LifeHiscost]

Read the post before you scorn it Neil.

God Bless,

Laslo

Not sure Neil was scorning the advice, Laslo, but I am sure that the legislative halls are seeing the prerogatives of law being overridden by kneejerk reactions, mostly in the name of security since security is the one thing for which people in general will give up their constitutional rights and subsequently allow tyrannical powers in the hands of a few.

This of course is being facilitated by elements of our society that are equally interested in restricting the full gospel being preached, denying it as "hate communication", doing just what the adversary has been very capable of doing down through the ages, accusing God's children as being responsible for the trouble that is coming upon the world.

The ACLJ is an institution that seems to focus in on the reality of where we are now re: losing our civil and religious rights, although I'm more prone to follow the NARLA International as I believe it is more apt to strive for keeping the avenues open for the spreading of the gospel globally. That after all is what Jesus calls all Christians to support, whether or not we are professionals at it.

"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:14 NASB

BTW, out of 260 some nations, Seventh Day Adventists have now entered somewhere around 235 with the good news of the coming of Jesus. Those figures are not completely accurate but googling it will bring a person up to speed.

"Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also."John 15:20 NKJV

Good show, Laslo.

God bless!

[phkrause]

Hey LifeHiscost, when you say ACLJ, do you mean ACLU instead? or is the ACLJ something different and if it is, what is it? And one more question! What is NARLA? I don't think I've ever heard of them! Thanks

pk

[GreatLakesGramma]

NARLA = North American Religious Liberty Association.

[phkrause]

That's GLG for the info. I guess I have heard of them.

pk

[BobRyan]

Problems with the OP.

1. The Day of Atonement did not start in 1888 - but in 1844.

2. The Day of Atonement event in Dan 8 is AFTER the war between Persia and Greece not before it.

3. Persia already came. Greece already came. The War between Presia and Greece already happened.

etc etc.

in Christ,

Bob

[LifeHiscost]

Hey LifeHiscost, when you say ACLJ, do you mean ACLU instead? or is the ACLJ something different and if it is, what is it? And one more question! What is NARLA? I don't think I've ever heard of them! Thanks

pk

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Be Heard Project Defends Conscience Clause

The Conscience Clause was implemented by former President George W. Bush to give physicians and nurses the choice to act according to their conscience - to not participate in abortion procedures if it conflicts with their personal convictions. If President Obama makes this damaging move, if he reverses the Conscience Clause, pro-life doctors and nurses will be forced into performing abortion procedures, despite their individual beliefs.

This is headed by Attorney Jay Sekulow and has played a large role in the anti-abortion movement a well as Sunday focus, as I understand it.

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This web site is sponsored by the Church State Council, the oldest public policy organization in the western United States (Arizona, California, Hawaii, Nevada, and Utah) devoted exclusively to issues of religious freedom. We combine advocacy in the courts and legislatures, with service to those experiencing religious liberty problems. We also pursue an aggressive communication strategy to provide education on First Amendment issues. As Seventh-day Adventists, we stand in the Reformation tradition of protesting the combination of church and state power to define or promote theological "truth," or to punish "error." We ask nothing of the state except that it protect religious freedom for all peaceful people of faith. We take our faith seriously, and we defend the right of others to take their own faith just as seriously. This site is co-sponsored by the North American Religious Liberty Association – West, with roots in the 19th century as the American Religious Liberty Association. NARLA is a membership organization, whose main website is www.religiousliberty.info. All who care about preserving liberty of conscience are urged to become members of NARLA, contributing their dues, and their time and energy. Freedom is not free. Every generation must pay the price, and protect our legacy of freedom.

Blessings!

[phkrause]

Thanks

pk