Ted Oplinger Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 I remember ~30 years ago when both parties were saying the same thing about a certain Californian governor...I do believe it was the pundits and power brokers that got smacked upside the head when they took their eyes off the ball. As was shared before...wait and see. It may well ultimately end with a Palin presidency that says to her Cabinet, "Smile and wave, boys...Just smile and wave!". Gosh, that penguins quote seems so appropriate at times... Ted Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan
bonnie Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 Quote: I remember ~30 years ago when both parties were saying the same thing about a certain Californian governor...I do believe it was the pundits and power brokers that got smacked upside the head when they took their eyes off the ball. As was shared before...wait and see. It may well ultimately end with a Palin presidency that says to her Cabinet, "Smile and wave, boys...Just smile and wave!". Gosh, that penguins quote seems so appropriate at times... Ted There is something about this woman that scares the daylights out of many in both parties. To have such hatred for a VP candidate 8 months after a election is rather telling. Biden as the current VP is a joke. His gaffs are so numerous no one would know where to start to hold him accountable. Yet there is no ridicule of a sitting VP and no end of ridicule for a woman that should no longer be in their sites. If she did not carry some threat to both sides she would not be an issue any longer Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
carolaa Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 I've heard plenty of ridicule about Joe Biden. You're right, Sarah Palin should be out of our sights, but she keeps inserting herself into our sights. What's scary is how people take her seriously. Maybe she's quitting because of all the ethics charges against her. Quote
bonnie Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 I've heard plenty of ridicule about Joe Biden. You're right, Sarah Palin should be out of our sights, but she keeps inserting herself into our sights. What's scary is how people take her seriously. Maybe she's quitting because of all the ethics charges against her. No you do not hear the continuing onslaught against Biden. Very little is said,a blub or two if that and it is gone. It is scary when you think of the ones that have been the most vicious about her. Even her mentally handicapped son,a innocent infant. I don't think she inserted incidences as Letterman,the dirty old man. She did come out swinging tho. Funny about those ethics charges isn't it. Haven't heard any that have been proven or correct Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 A little about the ethics charges..... Gov. Sarah Palin Quietly Cleared of All Ethics Charges Monday, June 8, 2009 9:22 AM By: Amanda Carpenter, The Washington Times The accusations made news, but with another dismissal of an ethics charge last week against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential nominee has quietly been cleared of every ethics complaint filed since the torrent of allegations began in 2008. Mrs. Palin, who became a target of such complaints after being named Sen. John McCain's running mate, is 14-for-14 in fighting off the complaints. She's been cleared of 13 charges by the independent State Personnel Board and of another complaint by the Federal Election Commission (FEC). After the latest complaint in Alaska was dismissed last week, Mrs. Palin's team said that having to fend off the pile of accusations was wasting state money. "This complaint cost the governor personally, and the state of Alaska, thousands of dollars to address," said Thomas Van Flein, the governor's attorney. "It is regrettable that the ethics process has been diverted for partisan purposes by some, but it is also commendable that the board remains focused on the law." The floodgates opened after Mrs. Palin was tapped by Mr. McCain of Arizona and she was accused of abusing power by firing state Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Four complaints related to this matter were filed to the personnel board. One of them was filed by the governor as a means of self-disclosure. In the end, no violation was found. Even after the election was over, the stream of complaints continued. Alaska residents challenged Mrs. Palin's trips out of state to attend a campaign event for Sen. Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Republican, and to speak at a pro-life breakfast in Indiana, as well as for conducting television interviews in her state office. The latest complaint to be decided was filed by Anchorage resident Linda Kellen Biegel, who took issue with Mrs. Palin for wearing to a public function a jacket made by a company that sponsored the governor's husband, Todd, a snow machine racer. Ms. Biegel asked the personnel board to determine whether Mrs. Palin was abusing her position to serve her personal and financial interests. Mrs. Palin called the complaint "asinine political grandstanding," and the board's independent investigator said there was no evidence of wrongdoing. "My investigation has uncovered no evidence that the governor or her husband received anything of value in exchange for the governor wearing the Team Arctic jacket when she acted as the official starter of the 2009 Iron Dog," said Thomas Daniel, the investigator. "I also note that most jackets worn by Alaskans have a company name or logo on them." (Corrected paragraph:) The personnel board is a three-member panel of non-state workers who are appointed by the governor. Mrs. Palin's predecessor appointed each of the three current members, Chairwoman Debra English, Laura Plenert and Alfred Tamagni Sr., although Mrs. Palin reappointed Ms. English for another term in January 2008. Rules dictate that no more than two of the members can belong to the same political party. Ms. English is a registered Republican; Ms. Plenert and Mr. Tamagni have no declared party affiliation. The personnel board normally would be expected to meet only two or three times a year, but their workload has increased because of the number of complaints filed. Mrs. Palin said defending herself against the complaints has cost more than $500,000, and she set up a legal defense fund to cover the costs. Eagle River resident Kim Chatman challenged that move. "Governor Palin is perched to improperly receive an enormous amount of money for herself and her family and position a pool of pre-paid defense lawyers organized to deflect consequences of wrongdoings," Ms. Chatman said in the filing. That complaint is still pending, though it's unclear whether other complaints are. The personnel board isn't supposed to talk about complaints until the matter has been resolved. In the wake of the complaints, the personnel board sought to make the public aware of the cost of investigating the complaints. Mr. Tamagni estimated that the board has spent "close to a third of a million dollars." One complaint did have some effect. Like previous Alaska governors, Mrs. Palin took her children on plane trips to events to which her children were not specifically invited. Though the personnel board did not find any violation of ethics rules, the governor volunteered to reimburse those expenses to the state. The bill totaled $20,012. Ms. Biegel, who blogs about politics from a Democratic perspective under the name Celtic Diva and was selected by the Democratic National Committee to represent Alaska bloggers at the 2008 convention, said the state offers no other options to challenge the actions of elected officials. "It's the only way we can ask the question basically," Ms. Biegel said. Ms. Biegel publicized her complaint on her blog with a press release, although parties involved in the filings are not supposed to discuss them with the public. "I wanted to have a record so people would know there was one out there and it couldn't just disappear," she said. Kay Brown, communications director for the Alaska Democratic Party, said Ms. Biegel had no formal connection to the party and Alaska Democrats did not have a role in any of the complaints filed against the governor. She did, however, think there was reason for the complaints and raised the issue of the governor's forthcoming autobiography and travel to out-of-state political events. "How is this benefiting the people of Alaska in her duties as governor? It seems like there is a disconnect there," Ms. Brown said. "Since Palin has put herself in the national spotlight more questions have been raised about her use of office for personal advancement that weren't there before." In the federal complaint, the Center for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington asked the FEC to rule on whether Mrs. Palin violated campaign spending laws after the Republican Party bought clothes for her during the presidential campaign. The FEC ruled in May that a prohibition on candidates using campaign money for personal expenses doesn't apply to parties. © 2009 Newsmax. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 Maybe this will help a little...... Texas Rainmaker Sarah Palin Cleared on All Ethics Charges June 8th, 2009 3:57 pm This is how media bias works, folks. Search for MSM stories on the ethics charges leveled against Sarah Palin and you’ll find an endless number of articles from CNN, ABC, Newsweek, The New York Times, The Washington Post and more, using the trumped-up charges to trash her reputation and, more importantly, her political viability. And it worked. They didn’t care about the lack of evidence supporting the charges… just that charges had been leveled. The damage was done. The MSM had tarred and feathered Governor Palin by reporting that the “ethics charges” were evidence to question her integrity and claim abuse of power by the self-described “Maverick”. But two things have now happened rendering the story of Governor Palin’s “ethics charges” of no interest to the mainstream media. The election is over… and she has been cleared of wrongdoing on all counts. The accusations made news, but with another dismissal of an ethics charge last week against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential nominee has quietly been cleared of every ethics complaint filed since the torrent of allegations began in 2008. Mrs. Palin, who became a target of such complaints after being named Sen. John McCain’s running mate, is 14-for-14 in fighting off the complaints. Quietly is the key word. Search online for stories of Palin being cleared of all ethics charges and the most you’ll find is an article in the UK’s Guardian, one in a Newsweek blog and another in the conservative-friendly Washington Times. With the election over, the damage is done. With Palin being cleared, the story is done. What bias? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Moderators lazarus Posted July 6, 2009 Moderators Posted July 6, 2009 I really hope SP planning to run in 2012. I really want to hear Huckerbee's jokes, Gingrich's evisceration of ideas and policies. I want to her Pawlenty, Barbour, Jindal remind us over and over again that she's a quitter. This is great!!!!!! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Dr. Shane Posted July 6, 2009 Author Posted July 6, 2009 The ethics charges are drummed up by her political enemies. Nothing has come of any them nor should we expect anything to come of any. Many Republican insiders don't like Palin because she didn't go to an ivy league school and she is not refined. She is one of the common folks and they look down on people like her. Many liberals do not like Palin because she embodies her beliefs. She practices what she preaches. She is a feminist that has family and success. They especial despise her position on abortion and the fact that she gave birth to a child with Downs Syndrome. They fear her because she is so charismatic. The fact is that Palin is the greatest fund raiser in the Republican Party today. Any Republican looking to raise money can charge more per plate if Palin is the guest speaker than any other speaker out there today. She has a lot of open doors. She may not even choose to run in 2012. She will be 52 years old in 2016. She will determine what her future is. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
bonnie Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Quote: So why is she still talking? Is there something that states she needs to be quiet unless she remains governor? Shane, Quote: Many liberals do not like Palin because she embodies her beliefs. She practices what she preaches. She is a feminist that has family and success. They especial despise her position on abortion and the fact that she gave birth to a child with Downs Syndrome. They fear her because she is so charismatic. Quote: As usual, an opinion stated as fact! (you're drooling) Maybe you should do your own research. There have been several blogs out there that have expressed relief that the american people would not be subjected to "her %#*^% moronic child". Then there was the petty news women that wondered if she could be mother and VP at the same time. Aren't we supposed to be able to have it all?? What a switch in concerns from the liberal media. She would have made a great poster woman had she terminated a "problem pregnancy" . Liberals do fear her. Attacks are not continuous against those that are no threat politically. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Dr. Shane Posted July 7, 2009 Author Posted July 7, 2009 Liberals are also obsessed with how attractive she is. I don't see any of her supporters talking about her physical attraction but when her critics attack her they often make comments about her looks. Here is an example: Quote: (you're drooling) What is so intimidating about an attractive and powerful woman? I think it is because attractive woman are suppose to for sex appeal only. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Woody Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 I agree Shane. The liberal's attitude is very demeaning of women. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
bonnie Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Quote: Liberals are also obsessed with how attractive she is. I don't see any of her supporters talking about her physical attraction but when her critics attack her they often make comments about her looks. Liberals talk a good game of tolerance. Bigotry,racism,sexism are words that refer to those dreaded conservatives. Yet if you listen,those are attitudes that are exhibited frequently by liberal's. Here is an example: Quote: (you're drooling) Quote: What is so intimidating about an attractive and powerful woman? I think it is because attractive woman are suppose to for sex appeal only. I don't think it is the sex appeal angle. She simply is not a liberal so she is fair game. She didn't play by the rules of a attractive liberal. Large family,mentally handicapped child,a daughter that chose not to abort and chose instead to become a unwed mother. Personally I think she took McCain by surprise as well. She was meant to enhance his campaign,not over shadow him. How many times was the statement made that it should be a Palin-McCain ticket. Just a little old fashioned jealousy of the candidate. Except if Sarah Palin was a liberal. Then they would be "drooling" all over her. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Woody Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Sarah certainly ain't scum. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
bonnie Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Sarah certainly ain't scum. The way the liberals and some idiot conservatives treated her was worse than if she were scum. Had she been a attractive woman that aborted her child and tooted the glories of Roe VS Wade for both her and her daughter and campaigned on the liberal platform she would have been elevated from pond scum Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
carolaa Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 The ethics charges are drummed up by her political enemies. Nothing has come of any them nor should we expect anything to come of any. Could be. I never said they were true or false, just that that may be the reason she is quitting. Many Republican insiders don't like Palin because she didn't go to an ivy league school and she is not refined. She is one of the common folks and they look down on people like her. I have to say, that's one of the few things I like about her, but I need more substance in order to vote for her. Many liberals do not like Palin because she embodies her beliefs. She practices what she preaches. She is a feminist that has family and success. They especial despise her position on abortion and the fact that she gave birth to a child with Downs Syndrome. They fear her because she is so charismatic. Maybe some, but I haven't heard any like that. What I have mainly heard is shock at how ill prepared she was to run a national campaign and how little she knew about national issues. The fear I have heard is that people would actually take a candidate like that seriously. Quote
Woody Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Quote: Maybe some, but I haven't heard any like that. What I have mainly heard is shock at how ill prepared she was to run a national campaign and how little she knew about national issues. The fear I have heard is that people would actually take a candidate like that seriously Just change the she to a he and you have exactly how I felt and feel about Obama. Now look at the mess we're in. He is making us all into 'pond scum'. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Shane Posted July 7, 2009 Author Posted July 7, 2009 Anyone that wants to know what is going on, open a twitter account and do a search on Sarah Palin. Start following her and you will get all the inside scoop straight from the horse's mouth. Quote: Critics are spinning, so hang in there as they feed false info on the right decision made as I enter last yr in office to not run again.... Quote: Trying to keep up w/getting truth to u, like proof there's no "FBI scandal", here's link http://tinyurl.com/nzlae8 Thanks, AK! Quote: Attached is my "thank you" sent yesterday to express gratitude, & smack down lies at same time http://tinyurl.com/q28wl5 Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Woody Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 I am on Facebook and she personally sent her explanations to me. But yeah you're right. It is available for all to know the truth if they want but then lies are more sensational. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
bonnie Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Quote: Maybe some, but I haven't heard any like that. What I have mainly heard is shock at how ill prepared she was to run a national campaign and how little she knew about national issues. The fear I have heard is that people would actually take a candidate like that seriously Just change the she to a he and you have exactly how I felt and feel about Obama. Now look at the mess we're in. He is making us all into 'pond scum'. Obama had a 100 and some days of experience at being a senator. For all the big hope and change he is doing what he condemned Bush for and doing it in spades. What are his accomplishments? Liberals have always treated any that disagreed with them as scum sucking pigs and something that is evil. They sometimes try to couch it in more acceptable terms,but at times they do let their true feelings be known in guarded circumstances. But true intentions and feelings do usually come to light. Obama shows a contempt for any that do not follow the "messiah" Our mess is about to get bigger Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Woody Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Originally Posted By: Redwood Quote: Maybe some, but I haven't heard any like that. What I have mainly heard is shock at how ill prepared she was to run a national campaign and how little she knew about national issues. The fear I have heard is that people would actually take a candidate like that seriously Just change the she to a he and you have exactly how I felt and feel about Obama. Now look at the mess we're in. He is making us all into 'pond scum'. Obama had a 100 and some days of experience at being a senator. For all the big hope and change he is doing what he condemned Bush for and doing it in spades. What are his accomplishments? Liberals have always treated any that disagreed with them as scum sucking pigs and something that is evil. They sometimes try to couch it in more acceptable terms,but at times they do let their true feelings be known in guarded circumstances. But true intentions and feelings do usually come to light. Obama shows a contempt for any that do not follow the "messiah" Our mess is about to get bigger Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
carolaa Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Quote: Maybe some, but I haven't heard any like that. What I have mainly heard is shock at how ill prepared she was to run a national campaign and how little she knew about national issues. The fear I have heard is that people would actually take a candidate like that seriously Just change the she to a he and you have exactly how I felt and feel about Obama. You must be thinking of someone else. Obama ran a great campaign and was quite knowledgeable about the issues. Quote
Woody Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 I wouldn't know. I'm 'pond scum' and don't have the ability to intellectually know the difference. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
bonnie Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Originally Posted By: Redwood Quote: Maybe some, but I haven't heard any like that. What I have mainly heard is shock at how ill prepared she was to run a national campaign and how little she knew about national issues. The fear I have heard is that people would actually take a candidate like that seriously Just change the she to a he and you have exactly how I felt and feel about Obama. You must be thinking of someone else. Obama ran a great campaign and was quite knowledgeable about the issues. What issues was he so knowledgeable about? For most of the issues he railed against Bush for,he nnow seems to think most were a good idea. He likes to promote them as his ideas. Kind of convoluted Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
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